Science Diet question...

Okay, this has just come to my attention. Can anyone explain why there
is a discrepancy between the ingredient list on the bag and the
ingredient list on the website for Science Diet Adult Chicken & Rice Recipe?

From the Hill's website:

Ingredients
Chicken, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken by-product meal, corn
meal, animal fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid),
chicken liver flavor, DL- methionine, taurine, preserved with mixed
tocopherols and citric acid, minerals (potassium chloride, calcium
sulfate, salt, ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, manganous
oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), rosemary extract, beta
carotene, vitamins (choline chloride, vitamin A supplement, vitamin D3
supplement, vitamin E supplement, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (a source
of vitamin C), niacin, thiamine mononitrate, calcium pantothenate,
riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12
supplement).

From the bag (which I bought one week ago):

Chicken, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken by-product meal, corn
meal, animal fat(preserved with BHA, propyl gallate and citric acid),
chicken liver flavour, DL-methionine, taurine, preserved with BHT and
BHA, beta-caroten, minerals (potassium choride, calcium sulfate, salt,
ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium
iodate, sodium, selenite), vitamins (choline chloride, vitamin A
supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, ascorbic acid
(a source of vitamin C), niacin, thiamine, calcium pantothenate,
riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12
supplement).

So what is the deal with the subtle difference?

--
"Its the bugs that keep it running."
-Joe Canuck

Joe Canuck wrote:
Okay, this has just come to my attention. Can anyone explain why there
is a discrepancy between the ingredient list on the bag and the
ingredient list on the website for Science Diet Adult Chicken & Rice
Recipe?

From the Hill's website:

Ingredients
Chicken, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken by-product meal, corn
meal, animal fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid),
chicken liver flavor, DL- methionine, taurine, preserved with mixed
tocopherols and citric acid, minerals (potassium chloride, calcium
sulfate, salt, ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, manganous
oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), rosemary extract, beta
carotene, vitamins (choline chloride, vitamin A supplement, vitamin D3
supplement, vitamin E supplement, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (a source
of vitamin C), niacin, thiamine mononitrate, calcium pantothenate,
riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12
supplement).

From the bag (which I bought one week ago):

Chicken, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken by-product meal, corn
meal, animal fat(preserved with BHA, propyl gallate and citric acid),
chicken liver flavour, DL-methionine, taurine, preserved with BHT and
BHA, beta-caroten, minerals (potassium choride, calcium sulfate, salt,
ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium
iodate, sodium, selenite), vitamins (choline chloride, vitamin A
supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, ascorbic acid
(a source of vitamin C), niacin, thiamine, calcium pantothenate,
riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12
supplement).

So what is the deal with the subtle difference?


Maybe a typo on the web??

Joe Canuck wrote:
Okay, this has just come to my attention. Can anyone explain why there
is a discrepancy between the ingredient list on the bag and the
ingredient list on the website for Science Diet Adult Chicken & Rice
Recipe?

From the Hill's website:

Ingredients
Chicken, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken by-product meal, corn
meal, animal fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid),
chicken liver flavor, DL- methionine, taurine, preserved with mixed
tocopherols and citric acid, minerals (potassium chloride, calcium
sulfate, salt, ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, manganous
oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), rosemary extract, beta
carotene, vitamins (choline chloride, vitamin A supplement, vitamin D3
supplement, vitamin E supplement, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (a source
of vitamin C), niacin, thiamine mononitrate, calcium pantothenate,
riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12
supplement).

From the bag (which I bought one week ago):

Chicken, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken by-product meal, corn
meal, animal fat(preserved with BHA, propyl gallate and citric acid),
chicken liver flavour, DL-methionine, taurine, preserved with BHT and
BHA, beta-caroten, minerals (potassium choride, calcium sulfate, salt,
ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium
iodate, sodium, selenite), vitamins (choline chloride, vitamin A
supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, ascorbic acid
(a source of vitamin C), niacin, thiamine, calcium pantothenate,
riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12
supplement).

So what is the deal with the subtle difference?


Maybe a typo on the web??

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 20:22:43 -0500, Joe Canuck wrote:

Okay, this has just come to my attention. Can anyone explain why there
is a discrepancy between the ingredient list on the bag and the
ingredient list on the website for Science Diet Adult Chicken & Rice Recipe?

It looks like a change in formulation happened somewhere down the road -
perhaps the BHA formula is old, and they put the new formula on the web?


--
Dennis Carr - | I may be out of my mind,
http://www.dennis.furtopia.org | But I have more fun that way.
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On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 20:22:43 -0500, Joe Canuck wrote:

Okay, this has just come to my attention. Can anyone explain why there
is a discrepancy between the ingredient list on the bag and the
ingredient list on the website for Science Diet Adult Chicken & Rice Recipe?

It looks like a change in formulation happened somewhere down the road -
perhaps the BHA formula is old, and they put the new formula on the web?


--
Dennis Carr - | I may be out of my mind,
http://www.dennis.furtopia.org | But I have more fun that way.
------------------------------------+-------------------------------

"Joe Canuck" wrote in message
...
Okay, this has just come to my attention. Can anyone explain why there
is a discrepancy between the ingredient list on the bag and the
ingredient list on the website for Science Diet Adult Chicken & Rice
Recipe?

From the Hill's website:

Ingredients
Chicken, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken by-product meal, corn
meal, animal fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid),
chicken liver flavor, DL- methionine, taurine, preserved with mixed
tocopherols and citric acid, minerals (potassium chloride, calcium
sulfate, salt, ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, manganous
oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), rosemary extract, beta
carotene, vitamins (choline chloride, vitamin A supplement, vitamin D3
supplement, vitamin E supplement, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (a source
of vitamin C), niacin, thiamine mononitrate, calcium pantothenate,
riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12
supplement).

From the bag (which I bought one week ago):

Chicken, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken by-product meal, corn
meal, animal fat(preserved with BHA, propyl gallate and citric acid),
chicken liver flavour, DL-methionine, taurine, preserved with BHT and
BHA, beta-caroten, minerals (potassium choride, calcium sulfate, salt,
ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium
iodate, sodium, selenite), vitamins (choline chloride, vitamin A
supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, ascorbic acid
(a source of vitamin C), niacin, thiamine, calcium pantothenate,
riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12
supplement).

So what is the deal with the subtle difference?

Prolly using up the last print run of bags before the change. That type of
package is very expensive to print and manufacture. Printing very high
quantities in single press runs significantly reduces the cost per bag.

Phil.

"Phil P." a écrit dans le message de news:
...

"Joe Canuck" wrote in message
...
Okay, this has just come to my attention. Can anyone explain why there
is a discrepancy between the ingredient list on the bag and the
ingredient list on the website for Science Diet Adult Chicken & Rice
Recipe?

From the Hill's website:

Ingredients
Chicken, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken by-product meal, corn
meal, animal fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid),
chicken liver flavor, DL- methionine, taurine, preserved with mixed
tocopherols and citric acid, minerals (potassium chloride, calcium
sulfate, salt, ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, manganous
oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), rosemary extract, beta
carotene, vitamins (choline chloride, vitamin A supplement, vitamin D3
supplement, vitamin E supplement, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (a source
of vitamin C), niacin, thiamine mononitrate, calcium pantothenate,
riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12
supplement).

From the bag (which I bought one week ago):

Chicken, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken by-product meal, corn
meal, animal fat(preserved with BHA, propyl gallate and citric acid),
chicken liver flavour, DL-methionine, taurine, preserved with BHT and
BHA, beta-caroten, minerals (potassium choride, calcium sulfate, salt,
ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium
iodate, sodium, selenite), vitamins (choline chloride, vitamin A
supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, ascorbic acid
(a source of vitamin C), niacin, thiamine, calcium pantothenate,
riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12
supplement).

So what is the deal with the subtle difference?

Prolly using up the last print run of bags before the change. That type
of
package is very expensive to print and manufacture. Printing very high
quantities in single press runs significantly reduces the cost per bag.

Phil.



Then it is permitted to have a description on the bag differing from the
true content? Interesting.
I would presume more that the bag came from an old batch. I sometimes go
to a little local supermarket when I have not time to go to town for my
shopping. I've been seeing the very same unique bag of Science Diet kibble
lying on the shelf now for certainly over a year :-). There's no mistake,
its the same one because it is ripped and taped on one side.

Elaine

From: "ChakaShiva"

"Phil P." a écrit dans le message de news:
...

"Joe Canuck" wrote in message
...
Okay, this has just come to my attention. Can anyone explain why there
is a discrepancy between the ingredient list on the bag and the
ingredient list on the website for Science Diet Adult Chicken & Rice
Recipe?

From the Hill's website:

Ingredients
Chicken, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken by-product meal, corn
meal, animal fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid),
chicken liver flavor, DL- methionine, taurine, preserved with mixed
tocopherols and citric acid, minerals (potassium chloride, calcium
sulfate, salt, ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, manganous
oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), rosemary extract, beta
carotene, vitamins (choline chloride, vitamin A supplement, vitamin D3
supplement, vitamin E supplement, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (a source
of vitamin C), niacin, thiamine mononitrate, calcium pantothenate,
riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12
supplement).

From the bag (which I bought one week ago):

Chicken, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken by-product meal, corn
meal, animal fat(preserved with BHA, propyl gallate and citric acid),
chicken liver flavour, DL-methionine, taurine, preserved with BHT and
BHA, beta-caroten, minerals (potassium choride, calcium sulfate, salt,
ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium
iodate, sodium, selenite), vitamins (choline chloride, vitamin A
supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, ascorbic acid
(a source of vitamin C), niacin, thiamine, calcium pantothenate,
riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12
supplement).

So what is the deal with the subtle difference?

Prolly using up the last print run of bags before the change. That type
of
package is very expensive to print and manufacture. Printing very high
quantities in single press runs significantly reduces the cost per bag.

Phil.



Then it is permitted to have a description on the bag differing from the
true content? Interesting.
I would presume more that the bag came from an old batch. I sometimes go
to a little local supermarket when I have not time to go to town for my
shopping. I've been seeing the very same unique bag of Science Diet kibble
lying on the shelf now for certainly over a year :-). There's no mistake,
its the same one because it is ripped and taped on one side.

Elaine

Yikes! It's still on the shelf?
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

Interesting shift in ingredients. Back in 95, my 13-year-olf cat
developed what two vets said was an unusual form of kidney cancer: both
kidneys were tremendously enlarged and practically all cancerous. The
levels in the blood work just 5 months before indicated nothing. Both vets
said it was very rare to see both kidneys with that type of cancer.

Shortly after that, during an informal chat with a woman who worked for a
pet insurance company (who sent me an article in the mail), I heard that
there was research indicating a strong link between bha and bht in
science diet and kidney cancer in cats. My previous cat had eaten that her
whole life. I had heard that Flynt River Ranch was good for cats with
urinary problems, so up until his recent blockage, my present companion
had been on that his whole life.

The moral of the story (to quote an icon from my young adult years): If
it's not one thing, it's another. You think you're serving premium cuisine
and it turns out to be high-priced sewage!

We do the best we can and hope to find providers near where we live who
understand our beloved felines.It's nice to have a forum like this where
people can share their experiences. I suspect what works for one cat,
might not, for another. The intuition in discerning what to do is the
difference between an average vet (far too many of those in my present
neck of the woods) and a good one (which, thank god, I finally found).

peace,

a.

On
Sat, 29 Nov 2003, PawsForThought wrote:

From: "ChakaShiva"

"Phil P." a =E9crit dans le message de news:
...

"Joe Canuck" wrote in message
...
Okay, this has just come to my attention. Can anyone explain why the=
re
is a discrepancy between the ingredient list on the bag and the
ingredient list on the website for Science Diet Adult Chicken & Rice
Recipe?

From the Hill's website:

Ingredients
Chicken, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken by-product meal, co=
rn
meal, animal fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid),
chicken liver flavor, DL- methionine, taurine, preserved with mixed
tocopherols and citric acid, minerals (potassium chloride, calcium
sulfate, salt, ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, manganou=
s
oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), rosemary extract, beta
carotene, vitamins (choline chloride, vitamin A supplement, vitamin =
D3
supplement, vitamin E supplement, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (a sour=
ce
of vitamin C), niacin, thiamine mononitrate, calcium pantothenate,
riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B1=
2
supplement).

From the bag (which I bought one week ago):

Chicken, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken by-product meal, co=
rn
meal, animal fat(preserved with BHA, propyl gallate and citric acid)=
,
chicken liver flavour, DL-methionine, taurine, preserved with BHT an=
d
BHA, beta-caroten, minerals (potassium choride, calcium sulfate, sal=
t,
ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, calciu=
m
iodate, sodium, selenite), vitamins (choline chloride, vitamin A
supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, ascorbic ac=
id
(a source of vitamin C), niacin, thiamine, calcium pantothenate,
riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B1=
2
supplement).

So what is the deal with the subtle difference?

Prolly using up the last print run of bags before the change. That ty=
pe
of
package is very expensive to print and manufacture. Printing very hig=
h
quantities in single press runs significantly reduces the cost per bag=
=2E

Phil.



Then it is permitted to have a description on the bag differing from the
true content? Interesting.
I would presume more that the bag came from an old batch. I sometimes =
go
to a little local supermarket when I have not time to go to town for my
shopping. I've been seeing the very same unique bag of Science Diet kib=
ble
lying on the shelf now for certainly over a year :-). There's no mistak=
e,
its the same one because it is ripped and taped on one side.

Elaine

Yikes! It's still on the shelf?
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

From: afr

Interesting shift in ingredients.

No, just a change in the preservative system. That should make most of you
happy, no?

Shortly after that, during an informal chat with a woman who worked for a
pet insurance company (who sent me an article in the mail), I heard that
there was research indicating a strong link between bha and bht in
science diet and kidney cancer in cats.

Unfortunately, there is no such "link". Which insurance company was it? I
want to know so that I can steer clear of them! BHA and BHT are completely
safe preservatives when used at the levels found in pet foods. Period.