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"CatNipped" wrote in message ... BIG SNIP That's how it was described to me how Australia conducts elections. It sounds like a very clever method, I wish we could get in instituted in the states. Hugs, CatNipped It's a little easier to do in a parlimantary system, CN. Also, we have the motivation because we have a multi pary system. Our Federal Parliment has 4 parties sittion in it, and at least 2 others who have a slim shot at getting a seat or 2. Provincially, we have 2 major parties & at least 5 others that could have a reasonable bid under STV. -- Mathew Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat En Vino Veritas |
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"Diane L. Schirf" wrote in message nk.net... In article , "Alison" wrote: Owners who keep their cats in all the time can also miss signs like a cat having difficulties in pooing if the cat tends to poo in the day time while they are at work. That would apply to all owners, not owners with a qualifier... Yes! Besides, Hodge isn't on an even cycle. He makes sure to "poo," as you put it, when I'm around about 50-60 percent of the time. So does Kim Alison |
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"Phil P." wrote in message news "Alison" Owners who keep their cats in all the time can also miss signs like a cat having difficulties in pooing if the cat tends to poo in the day time while they are at work. Phil They'd sure a **** know if the cat was constipated because the litter box wouldn't have any **** in it - and if the cat had diarrhea, the evidence would be in the litter box. The same principal applies to urine. At the very least indoor owners would become aware of elimination disorders much sooner than outdoor cat owners - and in the case of urinary tract obstructions - sooner detection could make the difference between life and acute renal failure and death. First I want to say you have an important point and it's good that this is being discussed. Yes they would see that a cat hasn't pooped in a box and an outside owner with no box would not. But no type of owner would know how long they had been straining to pass apoo even if they found it in the box but hadn't seen the cat do it. If a cat has the slight loose poos and poos outside the owner wouldn't see it . If it has diarrhea it won't be able to help but go inside on the carpet ot where ever. UTIs as you said , rarely show signs so that is applicable to both types of owner. Other FLUTD's have more noticable symtoms , they show distress or agitation and strain and wee on the carpet, that is seen by types both owners. mucous and blood does show on lighter carpets and lino but I'm not sure about very dark ones . About crystals in the urine , can you actually see them in a litter box? UTI , I'm a bit worried now , how can you tell if your cat has one? If you look back at the posts here you will see that often people are not aware that straining to wee is a sign of FLUTD and how important it is to go to the vet regardless of how they keep their cat. Phil, I'm not actually sure what you do , you're a vet technician at a shelter I think ?and work or have a great interest in ferals and rescues? Alison |
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"Alison" wrote in message ... "Phil P." wrote in message news "Alison" Owners who keep their cats in all the time can also miss signs like a cat having difficulties in pooing if the cat tends to poo in the day time while they are at work. Phil They'd sure a **** know if the cat was constipated because the litter box wouldn't have any **** in it - and if the cat had diarrhea, the evidence would be in the litter box. The same principal applies to urine. At the very least indoor owners would become aware of elimination disorders much sooner than outdoor cat owners - and in the case of urinary tract obstructions - sooner detection could make the difference between life and acute renal failure and death. First I want to say you have an important point and it's good that this is being discussed. Yes they would see that a cat hasn't pooped in a box and an outside owner with no box would not. ....and that's very important. In addition to not noticing a urinary tract obstruction, a chronically constipated cat can develop megacolon - which often requires surgery to remove a large section of the colon. But no type of owner would know how long they had been straining to pass apoo even if they found it in the box but hadn't seen the cat do it. Back to square one. An indoor owner is more likely to notice elimination problems than an owner whose cat eliminates outdoors and out of sight and sound - indoor owners would also hear cries of pain whereas an outdoor owner would not. I shudder at the thought of how many outdoor cats are found dead from unknown causes because their owners never saw the early warning signs. If a cat has the slight loose poos and poos outside the owner wouldn't see it . If it has diarrhea it won't be able to help but go inside on the carpet ot where ever. Not necessarily if the cat is accustomed and prefers to eliminate outdoors. Cats have the ability to voluntarily inhibit elimination until the time and place of their choosing. UTIs as you said , rarely show signs so that is applicable to both types of owner. Other FLUTD's have more noticable symtoms , they show distress or agitation and strain and wee on the carpet, that is seen by types both owners. Again, an outdoor owner is less likely to notice elimination problems in a cat that prefers to eliminate outdoors than an indoor owner. mucous and blood does show on lighter carpets and lino but I'm not sure about very dark ones . Residue would still show on dark carpets. About crystals in the urine , can you actually see them in a litter box? No. UTI , I'm a bit worried now , how can you tell if your cat has one? Urinalysis. If you look back at the posts here you will see that often people are not aware that straining to wee is a sign of FLUTD and how important it is to go to the vet regardless of how they keep their cat. Not if the litterbox is kept in location where you can monitor the cat's behavior. Phil, I'm not actually sure what you do , you're a vet technician at a shelter I think ?and work or have a great interest in ferals and rescues? I'm just a volunteer in a shelter rescue org, but I have a small in-house lab for minor tests and a small clinic for nursing and rehabilitating sick cats, and holding ferals after neutering. I also manage feral colonies. Phil |
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"Phil P." wrote in message
nk.net... I'm just a volunteer in a shelter rescue org, but I have a small in-house lab for minor tests and a small clinic for nursing and rehabilitating sick cats, and holding ferals after neutering. I also manage feral colonies. Phil Don't say "just" - you do more for cats than 99.9999999% of cat owners or cat lovers. I just don't have the emotional fortitude to work with sick or unwanted cats, so I assuage my guilt over this by giving money. But I have *SO* much respect for those who can and do work untiringly and unstintingly to help those cats everyone else sees as "throw-away" lives! Hugs, CatNipped |
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"Mary" wrote in message news:1112991238.4e5b03689c876f60fecf39705f24cadc@t eranews... Well for your information we don't HAVE armadillos in NC, so it's 'possums I'm scraping off the highway every morning. Shows what you know, you nasty Limey. How am I suppose to know where you live? You can park a trailer anywhere. doh! Alison |
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"Phil P." wrote in message nk.net... ...and that's very important. In addition to not noticing a urinary tract obstruction, a chronically constipated cat can develop megacolon - which often requires surgery to remove a large section of the colon.. Also how about tumours in the rectum, that would make a cat strain? Back to square one. An indoor owner is more likely to notice elimination problems than an owner whose cat eliminates outdoors and out of sight and sound - indoor owners would also hear cries of pain whereas an outdoor owner would not... yes I agreed that with you back at sq 1. But as I've already said , I think all cat owners should have indoor trays and be kept in at night . The cats I mean ! Not necessarily if the cat is accustomed and prefers to eliminate outdoors. Cats have the ability to voluntarily inhibit elimination until the time and place of their choosing.. If a cat prefers to poo outdoors then in normal health circumstances or a bit loose , it can/will hold on if it wants but I'm still a bit doubtful that if a cat had the runs bad it can hold it over night. My experience has been they poo on the carpet , tray or not ! I'm just a volunteer in a shelter rescue org, but I have a small in-house lab for minor tests and a small clinic for nursing and rehabilitating sick cats, and holding ferals after neutering. I also manage feral colonies.. How do you stop bringing all the cats home? I always respected your medical knowledge , if I needed to know anything I would ask you. I'm going to put these points together and post around my cat forums to give people an idea what to look out for. Alison |
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"Diane L. Schirf" wrote in message ink.net... In article et, "Phil P." wrote: I shudder at the thought of how many outdoor cats are found dead from unknown causes because their owners never saw the early warning signs. Well, this is a good point. One Saturday, Hodge began the day his normal, irascible self. By 5:00 p.m., I noticed he'd been napping for what was an unusually long period for his 24- to 30-month-old self. Then when I touched him, he didn't snap at me. He didn't snap at me no matter what I did. (Like pet his lower back.) He seemed hot to the touch, too. So my date happened to arrive at 5:30 p.m., and we took him to the emergency hospital. He had a fever, undetermined infection; they gave him antibiotics, kept him on ice, etc., and the fever broke at 2:00 a.m. I wonder if he'd been outside if he'd have just, well, you know . . . I won't even get into the emergency catheter removal . . . -- How is he today? Poor Hodge. I'm so glad you caught it. |
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"CatNipped" wrote in message ... "Phil P." wrote in message nk.net... I'm just a volunteer in a shelter rescue org, but I have a small in-house lab for minor tests and a small clinic for nursing and rehabilitating sick cats, and holding ferals after neutering. I also manage feral colonies. Phil Don't say "just" - you do more for cats than 99.9999999% of cat owners or cat lovers. This is partly where Phil gets his great knowledge of feline health matters--he is not relying upon a couple of years as a groomer or a lifetime of meddling and preaching. He is actively involved in rescue and rehab. I just don't have the emotional fortitude to work with sick or unwanted cats, so I assuage my guilt over this by giving money. But I have *SO* much respect for those who can and do work untiringly and unstintingly to help those cats everyone else sees as "throw-away" lives! A big old ME TOO to that. |
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"Alison" wrote in message ... "Mary" wrote in message news:1112991238.4e5b03689c876f60fecf39705f24cadc@t eranews... Well for your information we don't HAVE armadillos in NC, so it's 'possums I'm scraping off the highway every morning. Shows what you know, you nasty Limey. How am I suppose to know where you live? You can park a trailer anywhere. doh! Alison Well, that's true, and I forget that you only chime in when one of your wrong-headed but closely cherished idiocies is challenged-- such as Be Fwee Little Cat or breeding. Gotta go. We're washing down the double wide today. |
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