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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:07:33 GMT, "Tina Laitinen"
wrote: "Gee" wrote in message ... I can;t see how they would. Cats are territorial animals and feel very uncomfortable to downright scared on any new territory. And if that new territory contains millions of other strange cats, I can just imagine what exactly poor cat is thinking and feeling, terrified and stressed! So I fail to understand breed shows as well, and who exactly benefits from them. However I do like to watch agility shows. Gee Personally I think if your going to get a pure breed cat the cat shows are the best place to go and talk to breeders and learn about the breed of cat. I think that the cats enjoy being spoiled. I'm sure they do and I'm sure they're completed spoiled at home, but it's the cage-strange territory thing that makes me feel uneasy. Why not bring pics of their cats instead?! ;o) Personally I'd like a hairless one hehe. lol! Get a sphynx ;o) I think you probably have to knit them little jumpers in the winter though ;o) |
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I have been to at least two cat shows and I think they are great. You learn
a lot about and get to see a lot of different breeds. The cats being shown are used to the shows so they are probably not as scared or nervous as you might think. Cats are not judged solely on appearance. There are other things the judges take into consideration. If you really want to know what cat shows are really about I'd go to the Cat Fanciers Association Web Site. The addy is www.cfa.org. The best thing about Cat Shows is too enjoy it and to talk with other cat lovers. My experience was a positive one and I'd go back. -- Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "Kristine Kochanski" wrote in message ... Just wondering what the general consensus was on cat shows? I ask because I attended one the other day and was quite upset at seeing distressed, miserable cats kept in 2ft cages for hours, with hundreds of strangers (me included!) milling around staring and cooing at them - and men in white coats pulling them out and poking, stretching and prodding them. This can't be good for a cat! Every cat was obviously incredibly loved and pampered, I just find this act of 'showing' rather uneasy. Firstly, how can you judge a cat on appearance? Aren't they all beautiful whether they have a certificate that says so or not? Secondly, should people, in this so-called civilised day and age, be *rewarded* for inbreeding? For example, the flatness of a Persian cat's face really upsets me ( I left the show feeling quite bewildered and negative and I'm sure I will never attend such an event again. Any breeders care to comment? Dare say they will claim the cats enjoy the experience. But looking at them and listening to their distressed mewing - and having a fair understanding of cat behaviour and psychology - I fail to understand this. |
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I have been to at least two cat shows and I think they are great. You learn
a lot about and get to see a lot of different breeds. The cats being shown are used to the shows so they are probably not as scared or nervous as you might think. Cats are not judged solely on appearance. There are other things the judges take into consideration. If you really want to know what cat shows are really about I'd go to the Cat Fanciers Association Web Site. The addy is www.cfa.org. The best thing about Cat Shows is too enjoy it and to talk with other cat lovers. My experience was a positive one and I'd go back. -- Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "Kristine Kochanski" wrote in message ... Just wondering what the general consensus was on cat shows? I ask because I attended one the other day and was quite upset at seeing distressed, miserable cats kept in 2ft cages for hours, with hundreds of strangers (me included!) milling around staring and cooing at them - and men in white coats pulling them out and poking, stretching and prodding them. This can't be good for a cat! Every cat was obviously incredibly loved and pampered, I just find this act of 'showing' rather uneasy. Firstly, how can you judge a cat on appearance? Aren't they all beautiful whether they have a certificate that says so or not? Secondly, should people, in this so-called civilised day and age, be *rewarded* for inbreeding? For example, the flatness of a Persian cat's face really upsets me ( I left the show feeling quite bewildered and negative and I'm sure I will never attend such an event again. Any breeders care to comment? Dare say they will claim the cats enjoy the experience. But looking at them and listening to their distressed mewing - and having a fair understanding of cat behaviour and psychology - I fail to understand this. |
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"Kristine Kochanski" wrote in message ... On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:07:33 GMT, "Tina Laitinen" wrote: "Gee" wrote in message ... I can;t see how they would. Cats are territorial animals and feel very uncomfortable to downright scared on any new territory. And if that new territory contains millions of other strange cats, I can just imagine what exactly poor cat is thinking and feeling, terrified and stressed! So I fail to understand breed shows as well, and who exactly benefits from them. However I do like to watch agility shows. Gee Personally I think if your going to get a pure breed cat the cat shows are the best place to go and talk to breeders and learn about the breed of cat. I think that the cats enjoy being spoiled. I'm sure they do and I'm sure they're completed spoiled at home, but it's the cage-strange territory thing that makes me feel uneasy. Why not bring pics of their cats instead?! ;o) Personally I'd like a hairless one hehe. lol! Get a sphynx ;o) I think you probably have to knit them little jumpers in the winter though ;o) Most of the breeders now bring their own cages. I've seen a few custom built cages that the owners bring. Pictures is a good idea also. Tina |
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"Kristine Kochanski" wrote in message ... On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:07:33 GMT, "Tina Laitinen" wrote: "Gee" wrote in message ... I can;t see how they would. Cats are territorial animals and feel very uncomfortable to downright scared on any new territory. And if that new territory contains millions of other strange cats, I can just imagine what exactly poor cat is thinking and feeling, terrified and stressed! So I fail to understand breed shows as well, and who exactly benefits from them. However I do like to watch agility shows. Gee Personally I think if your going to get a pure breed cat the cat shows are the best place to go and talk to breeders and learn about the breed of cat. I think that the cats enjoy being spoiled. I'm sure they do and I'm sure they're completed spoiled at home, but it's the cage-strange territory thing that makes me feel uneasy. Why not bring pics of their cats instead?! ;o) Personally I'd like a hairless one hehe. lol! Get a sphynx ;o) I think you probably have to knit them little jumpers in the winter though ;o) Most of the breeders now bring their own cages. I've seen a few custom built cages that the owners bring. Pictures is a good idea also. Tina |
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Kristine Kochanski dumped this in
on 19 Apr 2004: Just wondering what the general consensus was on cat shows? I ask because I attended one the other day and was quite upset at seeing distressed, miserable cats kept in 2ft cages for hours, with hundreds of strangers (me included!) milling around staring and cooing at them - and men in white coats pulling them out and poking, stretching and prodding them. This can't be good for a cat! Every cat was obviously incredibly loved and pampered, I just find this act of 'showing' rather uneasy. Firstly, how can you judge a cat on appearance? Aren't they all beautiful whether they have a certificate that says so or not? Secondly, should people, in this so-called civilised day and age, be *rewarded* for inbreeding? For example, the flatness of a Persian cat's face really upsets me ( I left the show feeling quite bewildered and negative and I'm sure I will never attend such an event again. Any breeders care to comment? Dare say they will claim the cats enjoy the experience. But looking at them and listening to their distressed mewing - and having a fair understanding of cat behaviour and psychology - I fail to understand this. I went to a TICA cat show last year (my first show, my only show to date) and the thing that got to me was the tomcat smell. I have to give them props for alotting some space for our rescue group to showcase some homeless cats during the show, but after 3 days there, the smell really got to me. I think for the most part, the contestants are proud of their cats and want to show them off. I didn't see many cats who were distressed, other than some males who sprayed the judging stations but you can't blame them, it was instinct because they smelled other tomcats. I saw a lot of cats pampered and played with during their cage time, and those owners who were there for the full 3 days rotated which cats they brought so many weren't there the whole time. -- Cheryl |
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Kristine Kochanski dumped this in
on 19 Apr 2004: Just wondering what the general consensus was on cat shows? I ask because I attended one the other day and was quite upset at seeing distressed, miserable cats kept in 2ft cages for hours, with hundreds of strangers (me included!) milling around staring and cooing at them - and men in white coats pulling them out and poking, stretching and prodding them. This can't be good for a cat! Every cat was obviously incredibly loved and pampered, I just find this act of 'showing' rather uneasy. Firstly, how can you judge a cat on appearance? Aren't they all beautiful whether they have a certificate that says so or not? Secondly, should people, in this so-called civilised day and age, be *rewarded* for inbreeding? For example, the flatness of a Persian cat's face really upsets me ( I left the show feeling quite bewildered and negative and I'm sure I will never attend such an event again. Any breeders care to comment? Dare say they will claim the cats enjoy the experience. But looking at them and listening to their distressed mewing - and having a fair understanding of cat behaviour and psychology - I fail to understand this. I went to a TICA cat show last year (my first show, my only show to date) and the thing that got to me was the tomcat smell. I have to give them props for alotting some space for our rescue group to showcase some homeless cats during the show, but after 3 days there, the smell really got to me. I think for the most part, the contestants are proud of their cats and want to show them off. I didn't see many cats who were distressed, other than some males who sprayed the judging stations but you can't blame them, it was instinct because they smelled other tomcats. I saw a lot of cats pampered and played with during their cage time, and those owners who were there for the full 3 days rotated which cats they brought so many weren't there the whole time. -- Cheryl |
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Kristine Kochanski wrote:
Just wondering what the general consensus was on cat shows? I ask because I attended one the other day and was quite upset at seeing distressed, miserable cats kept in 2ft cages for hours, with hundreds of strangers (me included!) milling around staring and cooing at them I think you are rather over reacting here. Most of them are quite used to shows and simply go to sleep in their cages.Perhaps you only saw what you wanted to see. - and men in white coats pulling them out and poking, stretching and prodding them. Judges do not pull,poke and prod ect. How could you have seen this when judging is done behind closed doors normally? This can't be good for a cat! Whay do you say this? And why do you use an exclamatian mark to emphasise it? Every cat was obviously incredibly loved and pampered, I just find this act of 'showing' rather uneasy. Well because you have no knowledge of it all I expext you wanted to believe it was upsetting. Firstly, how can you judge a cat on appearance? Easy, you read and learn the breed standard and see if the cat you are judging follows this in most respects. Aren't they all beautiful whether they have a certificate that says so or not? A certificate doesn't say the cat is beautiful, it says that the cat closely follows the breed standard with respect to physical appearance. Secondly, should people, in this so-called civilised day and age, be *rewarded* for inbreeding? For example, the flatness of a Persian cat's face really upsets me ( So don't buy a persian. What is inbreeding? I left the show feeling quite bewildered and negative and I'm sure I will never attend such an event again. Probably a good thing as you are too delicate to be allowed outside in modern society . Any breeders care to comment? Dare say they will claim the cats enjoy the experience. But looking at them and listening to their distressed mewing - and having a fair understanding of cat behaviour and psychology - I fail to understand this. You obviously have *no* understanding of cat behaviour. You probably have one overweight pampered moggy at home and assume that the world is a nice place full of nice people where nice things happen every day. And no, I neither breed nor show cats, but have been to several cat shows because I like cats and have several of them. I didn't see any of the unhappiness or distress you saw, but then I wasn't trying to read things into things.Most of the cats I saw were wither asleep in their cages or purring like crazy and rubbibg their head against any hand put near the bars quite calmly and happily. Perhaps it was your po faced presence upsetting the cats? That look of supercilious disapproval on your face would have scared and unsettled them no doubt. |
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Kristine Kochanski wrote:
Just wondering what the general consensus was on cat shows? I ask because I attended one the other day and was quite upset at seeing distressed, miserable cats kept in 2ft cages for hours, with hundreds of strangers (me included!) milling around staring and cooing at them I think you are rather over reacting here. Most of them are quite used to shows and simply go to sleep in their cages.Perhaps you only saw what you wanted to see. - and men in white coats pulling them out and poking, stretching and prodding them. Judges do not pull,poke and prod ect. How could you have seen this when judging is done behind closed doors normally? This can't be good for a cat! Whay do you say this? And why do you use an exclamatian mark to emphasise it? Every cat was obviously incredibly loved and pampered, I just find this act of 'showing' rather uneasy. Well because you have no knowledge of it all I expext you wanted to believe it was upsetting. Firstly, how can you judge a cat on appearance? Easy, you read and learn the breed standard and see if the cat you are judging follows this in most respects. Aren't they all beautiful whether they have a certificate that says so or not? A certificate doesn't say the cat is beautiful, it says that the cat closely follows the breed standard with respect to physical appearance. Secondly, should people, in this so-called civilised day and age, be *rewarded* for inbreeding? For example, the flatness of a Persian cat's face really upsets me ( So don't buy a persian. What is inbreeding? I left the show feeling quite bewildered and negative and I'm sure I will never attend such an event again. Probably a good thing as you are too delicate to be allowed outside in modern society . Any breeders care to comment? Dare say they will claim the cats enjoy the experience. But looking at them and listening to their distressed mewing - and having a fair understanding of cat behaviour and psychology - I fail to understand this. You obviously have *no* understanding of cat behaviour. You probably have one overweight pampered moggy at home and assume that the world is a nice place full of nice people where nice things happen every day. And no, I neither breed nor show cats, but have been to several cat shows because I like cats and have several of them. I didn't see any of the unhappiness or distress you saw, but then I wasn't trying to read things into things.Most of the cats I saw were wither asleep in their cages or purring like crazy and rubbibg their head against any hand put near the bars quite calmly and happily. Perhaps it was your po faced presence upsetting the cats? That look of supercilious disapproval on your face would have scared and unsettled them no doubt. |
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Gee wrote:
"Kristine Kochanski" wrote in message ... Just wondering what the general consensus was on cat shows? I ask because I attended one the other day and was quite upset at seeing distressed, miserable cats kept in 2ft cages for hours, with hundreds of strangers (me included!) milling around staring and cooing at them - and men in white coats pulling them out and poking, stretching and prodding them. This can't be good for a cat! Every cat was obviously incredibly loved and pampered, I just find this act of 'showing' rather uneasy. Firstly, how can you judge a cat on appearance? Aren't they all beautiful whether they have a certificate that says so or not? I sooo agree with your comment. I just can;t see how one cat is more beautiful than the other. If you love animals you love them all, or you don't love animals. It's simple really. Oh for goodness sake what a silly thing to say. I don't like all animals but would class myself as an animal lover. I don't like spiders and there are some breeds of dog I dislike, but I still like animals. Secondly, should people, in this so-called civilised day and age, be *rewarded* for inbreeding? For example, the flatness of a Persian cat's face really upsets me ( Totally, various purebred animals (cats and dogs) have so many breed-associatted problems that instead of helping them overcome them, those crazy people keep emphasising and enlarging the issues for the sake of money and fame of a human! I do wonder sometimes if breeders do LOVE their animals, or are they in it just for the money. I left the show feeling quite bewildered and negative and I'm sure I will never attend such an event again. Nor me. I am all for equality in all respects for everyone, and this competition thing (animals , people anything really) is just very pathetic. There is a place for everyone in this world. Any breeders care to comment? I'm not a breeder, God forbid, all of mine have been done as soon as they walked into my life. Dare say they will claim the cats enjoy the experience. I can;t see how they would. Cats are territorial animals and feel very uncomfortable to downright scared on any new territory. And if that new territory contains millions of other strange cats, I can just imagine what exactly poor cat is thinking and feeling, terrified and stressed! That is called anthropomorphising and not a good thing. So I fail to understand breed shows as well, and who exactly benefits from them. However I do like to watch agility shows. HAve you ever *been* to a cat show Gee? |
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