My cat like lasagna

In article ,
Brandy**Alexandre wrote:
claudel wrote in
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In article ,
Brandy**Alexandre wrote:
claudel wrote in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav:

Kami likes artichokes. My sister had a cat that liked oranges
and black olives.


Artichoke? or butter/mayo? :^)

Carnivores, huh?


Claude


I swear, plain old artichoke. I don't give her the fixins' She
gets impatient waiting for me to scrape a leaf (can't scrape one
on her because of fangs) and she goes away after a few. But
later, when she hears the "tink" of the knife on the plate, she
knows I'm at the heart and comes roaring back for more. I swear,
she's a fiend for artichokes and nothing but.


Next time I have 'em I'll scrape a leaf or two for Bubba
and see if he'll try 'em.

Claude

I just remembered my neighbors cat, who would not eat human food of any
kind to save her life, goes ape over chives. I thought she was really
just interested because it was like a little string or stick, but sure
enough she chowed it down.


There's jsut no telling what the little masters will take
a liking to. If somebody had told me that cats would eat
jalapenos before I saw Bubba gobble up a piece I'd have
told them they were nutty...

Claude

Brandy Alexandre wrote:

John Doe wrote in
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A "holier than thou" troll


You only just noticed? He's been plonked for a while. He doesn't have
any veterinary education, but likes to dole out "information" to people
who don't know how dangerously faulty it's likely to be.


It is more than obvious you really don't care about the welfare of felines.

Brandy Alexandre wrote:

Diane wrote in
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In article ,
Joe Canuck wrote:


The toxic amount of onion is unknown.

Onions are however, still considered very toxic to felines.

One veterinarian said a 1/4 cup was toxic to a 20-lb. dog, and
"cats are much more sensitive." She also implied it was
cumulative.

I wouldn't risk it. What's the benefit in doing so? There are
plenty of cat treats available.



By the way...

A review of the ASPCA Animal Poison Control Center case record data
base for the true onion (Allium cepa) exposure over a 2-year period
revealed 23 cases (20 dogs, 3 cats). Six of the affected dogs and one

I'd rather see a study involving more cats... 3 cats isn't a
sufficiently broad enough base to be conclusive of anything.



cat showed clinical signs. The data revealed that it takes a fairly
large amount of ingested onions before signs are observed but that the
dose in the reported cases was consistently over 0.5% of the animal's
body weight.

Onions can cause potentially serious, life-threatening toxicity when
sufficient quantities are ingested. Cats are extremely susceptible
because of the differences in their hemoglobin structure and protective
enzymes. The Heinz-body hemolytic anemia caused by onions is
regenerative; therefore, prognosis is good with supportive care and
recovery usually occurs in I0 to 14 days.

3 cats is not even a test group now the 21 dog part of it was a small
sufficient number for a test group but that is a different subject.

All I know is that they think or some studies show that it is a possible
danger so I treat it as a possible danger.
Not that I agree with them I go by the phrase just in case never hurts
anything.

Giving any animal human food can be serious but we are all guilty of it.

http://www.aspca.org/site/DocServer/...pdf?docID=2082 i did see
that it is list on the site but no reference to how much or why it is
dangerous


PHIL could you enlighten me please with some information about this
subject. THANK YOU

"NMR" wrote in message
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3 cats is not even a test group now the 21 dog part of it was a small
sufficient number for a test group but that is a different subject.


Don't forget, most poisonings in dogs and especially cats aren't reported.
So, the true incidence of onion toxicity in cats is unknown.



All I know is that they think or some studies show that it is a possible
danger so I treat it as a possible danger.
Not that I agree with them I go by the phrase just in case never hurts
anything.


That's how most reasonably intelligent and rational and prudent people feel.
Why take the risk when there's no benefit for the cat. There are plenty of
human foods that cats enjoy that don't pose any risk and provide added
nutrition.




Giving any animal human food can be serious but we are all guilty of it.

http://www.aspca.org/site/DocServer/...pdf?docID=2082 i did see
that it is list on the site but no reference to how much or why it is
dangerous


PHIL could you enlighten me please with some information about this
subject. THANK YOU


Feline erythrocytes (red blood cells) are extremely more susceptible to
oxidative damage, particularly
hemoglobin denaturation than dogs and other species because of the
composition of their blood. See my previous post for more information.

"Diane" wrote in message
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In article et,
"Phil P." wrote:

Cats
already have a high prevalence of Heinz body formation as a result their
increased susceptibility oxidative denaturation so the toxic dose of
onion
toxicity is *unknown* in cats and is *highly variable* from cat to cat.

That tracks with what I read this morning.

Again, my original question (not to you) is why advocate a behaviour
(feeding onions/onion family to cats) that is high risk and no benefit?

Absolutely! There are so many other human food treats that more healthy and
that cats enjoy more and don't pose any risk that its extraordinarily
*stupid* and irresponsible to advocate feeding onions to cats.

"Brandy Alexandre" wrote in message
...
Diane wrote in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav:

In article ,
Joe Canuck wrote:

The toxic amount of onion is unknown.

Onions are however, still considered very toxic to felines.

One veterinarian said a 1/4 cup was toxic to a 20-lb. dog, and
"cats are much more sensitive." She also implied it was
cumulative.

I wouldn't risk it. What's the benefit in doing so? There are
plenty of cat treats available.


By the way...

A review of the ASPCA Animal Poison Control Center case record data
base for the true onion (Allium cepa) exposure over a 2-year period
revealed 23 cases (20 dogs, 3 cats).


Wow! *three* cats! You really are clueless. I guess it never occurred to
your limited mentality that the vast majority of poisonings in cats are not
reported- especially to the ASPCA because they charge $40 per call and/or
because most people don't even realize their cats have been poisoned. Also,
very, very few necropsies are performed on cats so the true incidence of
onion toxicity is *unknown*.


Denise M. Simmons, American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to
Animals-Animal Poison Control Center:

"A cat that has ingested oxidant-containing foods such as onions, however,
may develop severe, life-threatening anemia in conjunction with Heinz-body
formation. Therefore, cat owners should be cautioned to check labels on
foods or herbal remedies to ensure that onions are not among the
ingredients." (Toxicology Brief Veterinary Technician August 2001 p 425)


Onions can cause potentially serious, life-threatening toxicity when
sufficient quantities are ingested. Cats are extremely susceptible
because of the differences in their hemoglobin structure and protective
enzymes. The Heinz-body hemolytic anemia caused by onions is
regenerative; therefore, prognosis is good with supportive care and
recovery usually occurs in I0 to 14 days.

Ah, I see. You feel its ok to feed onions to cats because they "usually
recover" from onion toxicity and might not die. What's wrong with you? Has
all those years of doing crack and cocaine burnt out your brain?

The toxicity of onions is highly *variable* and depends on their disulfide
concentration. Onions grown in soil high in sulfur are *more* toxic to cats
than onions grown in soil with little sulfur. Onions grown in parts of
Louisiana, Texas, Colorado, Nevada, Wyoming, and California are *more*
toxic to cats than onions grown in other parts of the country. Also, the
toxicity of onions can be further increased by sulfur dioxide in the
atmosphere.

Therefore, moron, the lethal dose of onions in cats is *unknown* because of
the variations in toxicity of onions and variations in feline hemoglobin
from cat to cat.

But the real point that you're missing is why take the risk when other
treats are available that cats enjoy more and don't pose any risk?

You truly are irresponsible, unintelligent and a clear and present danger to
cats and unfit to be entrusted
with a cat's life.

"NMR" wrote in message
. ..
Phil P. ignore John Doe we all try to he has not worked his way up to a
kill file yet

He has stated before he can't get pussy ( his words ) and has this
fixation crush on cybercat and whiter shade of pale ( Barry ) can't leave
them alone
only thing he has be good at so far is stating who he thinks is a troll,
posting their aka's that are not even right


He thinks we need him to point out the trolls to us. The moron doesn't
realize he *doubles* the amount of spam posted to the group every time he
posts his stupid "troll alerts". He doesn't have the common sense or
will-power to just ignore the trolls- He has a very weak mind and character.



And Phil that is a bad thing to say about a condom it has a use at least
:-)

You're right.

I think his parents named him "John Doe" because their so ashamed of him and
don't want family and friends to know he's their son.

"Brandy Alexandre" wrote in message
...
John Doe wrote in
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A "holier than thou" troll

You only just noticed? He's been plonked for a while.


I don't think so, moron. Your ego is too huge too let you plonk anyone. You
just have to know what people say about you. Its remarkably
coincidental that you *always* follow up your lame posts with with more
detailed posts after I criticize the inadequacy and stupidity of your first
post.


He doesn't have
any veterinary education, but likes to dole out "information" to people
who don't know how dangerously faulty it's likely to be.


"Dangerously faulty"? LOL! I see all that crack and cocaine you inhaled
for all those years has burnt out most of your brain cells. My information
is often more accurate than that of vets- *especially* your vet- who gave
you
*bogus* information about inhalation therapy for cats.

You're a self-confessed animal abuser whose too ignorant about cats and
feline physiology to know what's dangerous or not Otherwise, you wouldn't
post utterly *stupid* and extraordinarily *dangerous* information about
onions toxicity in cats. Thankfully, most readers realize you're a
crack-whore and hopefully won't give your dangerous information any
credence.

"Joe Canuck" wrote in message

Phil, somehow I knew you'd have the more technical explanation! :-)


I've always felt the whys behind the idiosyncrasies of the cat are much more
fascinating than just "its bad for cats". Not that any of it matters to BA.