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From: (Steve Crane)
I told you miy cats are healthy and you tell me that's dumb luck. No I said it might be dumb luck that pets feed commercial diets were healthy - re-read the post. Oh, well maybe you're right then, LOL. Of course I was being sarcastic and the dumb luck can equally be applied to cats fed anything - especially the Barfista diet which has zero support among the veterinary Diplomates of the American College of Veterinary Nutrition. Whatever yawn Then I tell you no, you're a dumb ****. You just hate the fact that someone who doesn't feed Science Diet has healthy animals. BS - I could care less what you feed your animals. I do have concerns when you frequently attempt to suggest solutions to medical problems that would be very detrimental to the health of the animal. Like what exactly are you talking about? That I recommend a mostly canned diet instead of dry kibble? That I advocate a diet appropriate for a carnivore? That most of all, I don't recommend feeding Science Diet? That's your problem, admit it. Obviously I am not about to let you get away with your obsessive Hill's bashing either. I think you bash your competitor pet food companies way more than I've ever bashed Hill's. The fact is my animals did poorly on it and I'm not about to hide that fact. If you call that bashing, then go ahead. The long list of clearly disoriented comments you made about that are well observed by everyone who ever frequents this NG. Let's see that would be you, Phil and Gaubster. Do you really think I care what you guys think of me? Geez When you quit with your obsessive and false comments about Hill's products, and stop offering dangerous advice to newbies on this NG, you will hear very little from me. Nothing false about what I said about Science Diet, Steve. If I thought it was a good food, I'd say so. But for my animals, it was crappy food that definitely caused them problems. I even got out my deceased cat's medical records to prove it. Problems that went away once those cats were switched to another brand of food. I'm not the only one in this newsgroup whose animals did poorly on it either. I know your purpose in this group is to switch people over to Hill's products, per your employer's instructions no doubt. Sorry I can't join in though. It just didn't work for my animals and I feel I'd be remiss in recommending it when my previous cats did so poorly on it. Maybe it works for some animals, but it sure didn't for mine. Now rant and rave all you want, but that's the bottom line. I know if I posted in a legal newsgroup (my field), Why am I not surprised. Two fields that are light years apart, one deals with hard science and the other with whatever lies are needed to win a case. There was a time I had some respect for lawyers, but I was only 12 years old then and didn't know better. LOL, gee, now my feelings are really hurt. Grow up, Steve. You are so childish. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm |
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From: (Steve Crane)
I told you miy cats are healthy and you tell me that's dumb luck. No I said it might be dumb luck that pets feed commercial diets were healthy - re-read the post. Oh, well maybe you're right then, LOL. Of course I was being sarcastic and the dumb luck can equally be applied to cats fed anything - especially the Barfista diet which has zero support among the veterinary Diplomates of the American College of Veterinary Nutrition. Whatever yawn Then I tell you no, you're a dumb ****. You just hate the fact that someone who doesn't feed Science Diet has healthy animals. BS - I could care less what you feed your animals. I do have concerns when you frequently attempt to suggest solutions to medical problems that would be very detrimental to the health of the animal. Like what exactly are you talking about? That I recommend a mostly canned diet instead of dry kibble? That I advocate a diet appropriate for a carnivore? That most of all, I don't recommend feeding Science Diet? That's your problem, admit it. Obviously I am not about to let you get away with your obsessive Hill's bashing either. I think you bash your competitor pet food companies way more than I've ever bashed Hill's. The fact is my animals did poorly on it and I'm not about to hide that fact. If you call that bashing, then go ahead. The long list of clearly disoriented comments you made about that are well observed by everyone who ever frequents this NG. Let's see that would be you, Phil and Gaubster. Do you really think I care what you guys think of me? Geez When you quit with your obsessive and false comments about Hill's products, and stop offering dangerous advice to newbies on this NG, you will hear very little from me. Nothing false about what I said about Science Diet, Steve. If I thought it was a good food, I'd say so. But for my animals, it was crappy food that definitely caused them problems. I even got out my deceased cat's medical records to prove it. Problems that went away once those cats were switched to another brand of food. I'm not the only one in this newsgroup whose animals did poorly on it either. I know your purpose in this group is to switch people over to Hill's products, per your employer's instructions no doubt. Sorry I can't join in though. It just didn't work for my animals and I feel I'd be remiss in recommending it when my previous cats did so poorly on it. Maybe it works for some animals, but it sure didn't for mine. Now rant and rave all you want, but that's the bottom line. I know if I posted in a legal newsgroup (my field), Why am I not surprised. Two fields that are light years apart, one deals with hard science and the other with whatever lies are needed to win a case. There was a time I had some respect for lawyers, but I was only 12 years old then and didn't know better. LOL, gee, now my feelings are really hurt. Grow up, Steve. You are so childish. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm |
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In om,
Steve Crane composed with style: [Hill's sales] just based on Hills/SD marketing statistics will do) Cheryl, that kind of information is proprietary and is not released. Why? BTW - 99 undiagnosed out of 100 is pulling stats out of your ass. No, I gave you hard numbers and you refused to accept them. You chose to pull perceptions "out of your ass" instead. My stats are backed up with hard data published in a peer reviewed medical journal. The fact still remains that if a problem is "unknown", it can't be counted in your stats. I am not mad at your so-called stats; I just don't believe them. I don't believe your stat collectors have the entire data set to come to that conclusion. If it helps your company comprise diets, so be it. A great deal of those with problems are coming up with their own diets now. |
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In om,
Steve Crane composed with style: [Hill's sales] just based on Hills/SD marketing statistics will do) Cheryl, that kind of information is proprietary and is not released. Why? BTW - 99 undiagnosed out of 100 is pulling stats out of your ass. No, I gave you hard numbers and you refused to accept them. You chose to pull perceptions "out of your ass" instead. My stats are backed up with hard data published in a peer reviewed medical journal. The fact still remains that if a problem is "unknown", it can't be counted in your stats. I am not mad at your so-called stats; I just don't believe them. I don't believe your stat collectors have the entire data set to come to that conclusion. If it helps your company comprise diets, so be it. A great deal of those with problems are coming up with their own diets now. |
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From: "Cheryl"
Steve Crane No, I gave you hard numbers and you refused to accept them. You chose to pull perceptions "out of your ass" instead. My stats are backed up with hard data published in a peer reviewed medical journal. The fact still remains that if a problem is "unknown", it can't be counted in your stats. I am not mad at your so-called stats; I just don't believe them. I don't believe your stat collectors have the entire data set to come to that conclusion. If it helps your company comprise diets, so be it. A great deal of those with problems are coming up with their own diets now. From what I have seen, it seems to be working for some of these animals too, when nothing else was. I give these people credit for seeking out alternative diets. I know it's not easy and can be time consuming, but I'm sure it's worth it when they see their animal is benefitting. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm |
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From: "Cheryl"
Steve Crane No, I gave you hard numbers and you refused to accept them. You chose to pull perceptions "out of your ass" instead. My stats are backed up with hard data published in a peer reviewed medical journal. The fact still remains that if a problem is "unknown", it can't be counted in your stats. I am not mad at your so-called stats; I just don't believe them. I don't believe your stat collectors have the entire data set to come to that conclusion. If it helps your company comprise diets, so be it. A great deal of those with problems are coming up with their own diets now. From what I have seen, it seems to be working for some of these animals too, when nothing else was. I give these people credit for seeking out alternative diets. I know it's not easy and can be time consuming, but I'm sure it's worth it when they see their animal is benefitting. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm |
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