Wellness Cat Food

On 2004-12-21, Laila penned:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:26:54 -0700, "Monique Y. Mudama"
wrote:

I just have trouble believing that a cat food company would put poison in
their food; therefore I tend to believe they've done their research and that
such a small amount isn't a problem. Maybe I'm naive.

garlik? blueberries? why god, why would they put this into cat food?

Well, I am sure the cranberries are there to help prevent UTIs, just as they
do in humans. I kind of assume that blueberries do something similar.

Or you can read the website blurb:

http://www.omhpet.com/cats/wellness_overview.html

"As rates of feline allergies, cancers and diseases continue to rise, the link
between pet nutrition and health is being examined more closely than ever.
Healthy thoughtful ingredients in Wellness, like fresh fruits and vegetables,
provide essential antioxidants that protect and strengthen your cat's immune
system for a healthy, long life."

Also, you can contact them if you really do have questions.

--
monique, who is sometimes allowed to pet Oscar, a grey^H^H^H^Hblue-cream DLH
with an attitude!

From: Laila

garlik? blueberries? why god, why would they put this into cat food?

Because it makes people want to buy it. In other words, it sounds good to the
person buying the food so they think it must be good to feed their cat. It's a
pretty stupid way to feed a carnivore, but hey.....people who buy their cat
food based on emotion fall for marketing tricks like that all of the time.

From: "Monique Y. Mudama"

Well, I am sure the cranberries are there to help prevent UTIs, just as they
do in humans. I kind of assume that blueberries do something similar.


There is not enough cranberries in there to do ANYTHING! The cat would
probably have to eat about 25 bushels of cranberries to move the pH meter a
hundreth of a point! It's simply a marketing tactic designed to push the
emotion button with consumers.

Or you can read the website blurb:

http://www.omhpet.com/cats/wellness_overview.html

"As rates of feline allergies, cancers and diseases continue to rise, the
link
between pet nutrition and health is being examined more closely than ever.
Healthy thoughtful ingredients in Wellness, like fresh fruits and vegetables,
provide essential antioxidants that protect and strengthen your cat's immune
system for a healthy, long life."

Wellness talks a good game but has absolutely nothing in the way of research
backing up their products. Science Diet (for example) has levels of
antioxidants that are significantly higher than Wellness. Also, Wellness tends
to be quite high in calcium and phosphorus, generally speaking. Interestingly
enough, the "healthy, thoughtful" (??) ingredients that Wellness uses are the
same ingredients found in Science Diet and other premium cat foods.

On 21 Dec 2004 03:32:48 GMT, (GAUBSTER2) wrote:

From: Laila

garlik? blueberries? why god, why would they put this into cat food?

Because it makes people want to buy it. In other words, it sounds good to the
person buying the food so they think it must be good to feed their cat. It's a
pretty stupid way to feed a carnivore, but hey.....people who buy their cat
food based on emotion fall for marketing tricks like that all of the time.

they must indeed be idiots, although Murka does eat blueberries. i
guess they are fun to bat about and then eat. to me, a combination of
garlic and bluberries sounds nauseating. yak.

-L

On 2004-12-21, GAUBSTER2 penned:
From: "Monique Y. Mudama"

Well, I am sure the cranberries are there to help prevent UTIs, just as they
do in humans. I kind of assume that blueberries do something similar.


There is not enough cranberries in there to do ANYTHING! The cat would
probably have to eat about 25 bushels of cranberries to move the pH meter a
hundreth of a point! It's simply a marketing tactic designed to push the
emotion button with consumers.

That's bullcrap. I get UTIs, or used to, and I can tell when my body's
working towards one. I keep cranberry juice on hand, and a single
diluted glass will relieve the symptoms that I know indicate the very
beginnings of a UTI. It doesn't need to do a lot; just help clear out
the bacteria in the urinary tract. I suppose you don't believe that
eating yoghurt helps human women prevent yeast infections, either?

If less than a cup of cranberry juice can make the difference in a human, a
cat won't need nearly as much as the ridiculous 25 bushels of cranberries you
quote.

Or you can read the website blurb:

http://www.omhpet.com/cats/wellness_overview.html

"As rates of feline allergies, cancers and diseases continue to rise, the
link between pet nutrition and health is being examined more closely than
ever. Healthy thoughtful ingredients in Wellness, like fresh fruits and
vegetables, provide essential antioxidants that protect and strengthen your
cat's immune system for a healthy, long life."

Wellness talks a good game but has absolutely nothing in the way of research
backing up their products. Science Diet (for example) has levels of
antioxidants that are significantly higher than Wellness. Also, Wellness
tends to be quite high in calcium and phosphorus, generally speaking.
Interestingly enough, the "healthy, thoughtful" (??) ingredients that
Wellness uses are the same ingredients found in Science Diet and other
premium cat foods.

Make up your mind; do you find their ingredients offensive and incomplete, or
do you find them to be just the same (ie, just as good) as the "other premium
cat foods"?

--
monique, who is sometimes allowed to pet Oscar, a grey^H^H^H^Hblue-cream DLH
with an attitude!

From: "Monique Y. Mudama"


On 2004-12-21, GAUBSTER2 penned:

Wellness talks a good game but has absolutely nothing in the way of
research
backing up their products. Science Diet (for example) has levels of
antioxidants that are significantly higher than Wellness. Also, Wellness
tends to be quite high in calcium and phosphorus, generally speaking.
Interestingly enough, the "healthy, thoughtful" (??) ingredients that
Wellness uses are the same ingredients found in Science Diet and other
premium cat foods.

Make up your mind; do you find their ingredients offensive and incomplete, or
do you find them to be just the same (ie, just as good) as the "other premium
cat foods"?

Gaubster constantly posts lies about Wellness food. He is a Science Diet
freak. Any food that's not Hill's is bad in his narrow minded opinion. He
lives for posts about food so he can slam any brand except Scie Die. He
forgets to mention all that crap ingredients in Hill's foods like corn gluten
meal, artificial ingredients and flavors, more corn and grains, etc. From all
the people who have switched to Wellness, I have heard nothing but good things
about how well their cats do on it.

Lauren
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From: "equalizer

On 21 Dec 2004 03:32:48 GMT, (GAUBSTER2) wrote:

From: Laila

garlik? blueberries? why god, why would they put this into cat food?

Because it makes people want to buy it. In other words, it sounds good to
the
person buying the food so they think it must be good to feed their cat.
It's a
pretty stupid way to feed a carnivore, but hey.....people who buy their cat
food based on emotion fall for marketing tricks like that all of the time.



Hi

Just curious --

Do you actually own a cat? Because, you never seem to contribute a
single thing to this group except for pushing Hill's products or picking
apart their competitors. You never post a condolence to someone who's
cat passed on, or contribute anything else other than thinly veiled
Hill's trumping. Why is that? It's almost as if you have a vested
interest in Hills doing well. Do you actually care about cats, or are
they simply a resource to be harvested for the money?

Oh yeah, it's quite obvious what Gaubster's game is, LOL. He will deny working
for Hill's but we know better. You're right, he has never posted in any other
threads except ones where he can push Scie Die.
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Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm

Monique,
Cats are not small humans. The effects of cranberries, or any
other berry type in cats is NOT the same as it is in humans. The
primary action of cranberries in humans is NOT in reducing urine pH,
but rather in making it difficult for bacteria to attach to the bladder
wall. There is NO data whatsoever that even suggests the same activity
ocurrs in cats. The use of cranberries etc in cat foods is pure
marketing glitz, Madison Ave conceived marketing ploys playing on your
emotions and attempting to persuade you that what "conventional wisdom"
holds true for human females also holds true for cats. Unfortunately it
just does not work that way at all.
It is very important to recognize their are massive differences
between one species and another. While humans can eat chocolate with
immunity dogs will die from it. While cats are obligate carnivores -
humans are not. It is not a good idea to allow Madison Ave marketing
gimmicks to control the way you treat your cat. Especially something
as totally wrong as the cranberry etc issue with cats. That simply does
not work.

On 2004-12-21, Steve Crane penned:
Monique,
Cats are not small humans. The effects of cranberries, or any
other berry type in cats is NOT the same as it is in humans. The
primary action of cranberries in humans is NOT in reducing urine pH,
but rather in making it difficult for bacteria to attach to the bladder
wall. There is NO data whatsoever that even suggests the same activity
ocurrs in cats.

Is there data against it?

Actually, iirc, UTIs aren't about bacteria in the bladder, but bacteria in the
urethra, which is very short in human females because we don't have dangly
bits. Hence urinary tract, not bladder, infection.

UTIs are caused by bacteria building up in the urethra. I am no vet or
biology expert, but it seems to me that the bacterial response would be the
same, whether in a human or a cat. We don't say "well, this disinfectant
works for humans, but it doesn't kill the germs that affect cats ..." And for
that matter, an *awful lot* of the medical discussions here and in other cat
newsgroups make it sound like the medical treatments for cats are in many
cases very similar to those for humans. I wouldn't go trying a human remedy
on a cat without clearing it with my vet, but it seems that in many cases, the
vet would prescribe a familiar remedy. IIRC, I knew people who had a diabetic
cat when I was a kid, and they bought human-grade insulin because it was
cheaper for them.

Cats aren't aliens. You may or may not be right about the usefulness of
cranberries, but while they do have different nutritional requirements than we
do, I am suspicious of over-emphasizing the difference.

The use of cranberries etc in cat foods is pure
marketing glitz, Madison Ave conceived marketing ploys playing on your
emotions and attempting to persuade you that what "conventional wisdom"
holds true for human females also holds true for cats. Unfortunately it
just does not work that way at all.

References? You've said there's no evidence that cranberries help cat UTIs.
Have there been studies? Have there been studies showing that it *doesn't*
help? Have there been studies showing that it's harmful? Again, thousands to
millions of cats eat dry food exclusively, and even with all the extra carb
crap they are eating, the cats live long and happy lives.

It is very important to recognize their are massive differences
between one species and another. While humans can eat chocolate with
immunity dogs will die from it. While cats are obligate carnivores -
humans are not. It is not a good idea to allow Madison Ave marketing
gimmicks to control the way you treat your cat. Especially something
as totally wrong as the cranberry etc issue with cats. That simply does
not work.

Actually, I haven't paid any attention at all to whatever marketing dweebs
have been doing. I've been talking to cat owners about how their cats
responded to Wellness. The fact that cats who eat Wellness seem to typically
be healthier cats -- that's why I switched.

--
monique, who is sometimes allowed to pet Oscar, a grey^H^H^H^Hblue-cream DLH
with an attitude!

"GAUBSTER2" wrote in message
...

- Because it makes people want to buy it. In other words, it sounds good
to the
person buying the food so they think it must be good to feed their cat.
It's a
pretty stupid way to feed a carnivore, but hey.....people who buy their
cat
food based on emotion fall for marketing tricks like that all of the time.


Oh yeah. It's stupid to feed your cat food that's made *primarily* of MEAT,
as opposed to other commercial junk cat food.

-
-Kelly
kelly at farringtons dot net
"Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG