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... Steve Crane the Hils Pet Food Company Shill wrote: snip lies and scaremongering FYI: For those reading Steve's attempt at bait and switch, just ignore him. Oh gawd, here we go again! |
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enlightened us with... wrote in message ... Steve Crane the Hils Pet Food Company Shill wrote: snip lies and scaremongering FYI: For those reading Steve's attempt at bait and switch, just ignore him. Oh gawd, here we go again! *ahem*searchthearchives*ahem* -- -- ~kaeli~ Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace |
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You would probably be able to order foods from the web - at a price,
though, if they don't have a distributor in Croatia. Try looking at the ingredients, an easy rule of thumb I read is that there should be no byproducts (meat, fish, chicken, etc) listed in the first 20 ingredients listed. -- Message posted via http://www.catkb.com |
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enlightened us with... Steve Crane the Hils Pet Food Company Shill wrote: snip lies and scaremongering FYI: For those reading Steve's attempt at bait and switch, just ignore him. He has been asked many times to post proof or cites that show phosphorus is harmful to healthy cats That seems to be the key phrase here. I was looking around, and it seems it is only harmful to cats already IN renal failure or old enough that their organs aren't in great shape. CRF cats seem to be badly affected by it. But one would hope you'd know if you had a cat with CRF! Anyone care to refute that or point me to better info? -- -- ~kaeli~ Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace |
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enlightened us with... Removal of carbs means the energy must come from somewhere else - either protein or fats. In most cases it comes form much increased protein levels. Along with that protein comes phosphorus. Adding increased phosphorus in the diet has zero positive benefit and may have some very bad side effects. Um, or not. I found this interesting reading, though possibly a couple years out of date: http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/dryfood.htm http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm According to the chart (if its accurate), there is not all that much difference in phosphorus levels between dry and wet food. The levels seem more consistent with brand (premium vs regular). I guess it *doesn't* have to do with the protein that much after all. -- -- ~kaeli~ Dijon vu - the same mustard as before. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace |
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enlightened us with... I found this interesting reading, though possibly a couple years out of date: http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/dryfood.htm http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm I can read links. Honest. Here's the new ones. http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/dry.htm http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canned.htm -- -- ~kaeli~ Dijon vu - the same mustard as before. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace |
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"kaeli" wrote in message ... In article , enlightened us with... wrote in message ... Steve Crane the Hils Pet Food Company Shill wrote: snip lies and scaremongering FYI: For those reading Steve's attempt at bait and switch, just ignore him. Oh gawd, here we go again! *ahem*searchthearchives*ahem* Really, man. I am not one of those "read the FAQ" people, but an awful lot of time, effort, thought and emotion has gone into the Cat Food Wars. The archives is the place. Err, Google, that is. |
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In article ,
enlightened us with... In article .com, enlightened us with... Dr. Hofve's comments border on the ridiculous. Who's that? You didn't quote to whom you were replying. Along with that protein comes phosphorus. Why is that assumed? In nature, wild cats eat plenty of protein and as far as I know do not have this problem. Does the phosphorus come from the way commercial foods are produced? Let me clarify: EXCESS, that is, levels that are harmful, phosphorus. But after a little research, I question the very presumption that dry and wet foods are all that different in phosphorus levels to begin with. -- -- ~kaeli~ Why do people who know the least know it the loudest? http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace |
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kaeli wrote: In article .com, enlightened us with... Why is that assumed? In nature, wild cats eat plenty of protein and as far as I know do not have this problem. Does the phosphorus come from the way commercial foods are produced? Would a raw (or organic, all natural, etc) diet eliminate this problem? Can it be elimated from commercial foods? If so, why the hell isn't it? If not, why not? Hi Kaeli, Just because a food is low in carbs does not mean it's necessarily high in phosphorous. In a feline diet, all levels should be balanced, not just phosphorous. I note that Steve Crane is always pushing the phosphorous angle. While important, I believe all nutrient levels are important. You can have a good food that isn't loaded with corn gluten meal and still be within range on phosphorous. I feed my cats a homemade balanced raw diet that does not include carbs usually found in foods such as Hill's and Eukanuba for example. The diet is well within range on all nutrient levels. I think Steve likes to use the fear factor regarding carbs. I have yet to see a cat willingly eat corn gluten (unless it has butter on it of course Lauren |
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