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Trap, Neuter, and Release: Bad for Cats, Disaster for Birds (HD)
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:20:53 -0700 (PDT), chatnoir
wrote: On Aug 19, 6:34*am, dgk wrote: On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 02:56:39 -0700 (PDT), chatnoir wrote: On Aug 18, 2:13*pm, calvin wrote: On Aug 18, 5:06*pm, chatnoir wrote: I keep my cats caged! Sounds like animal abuse. You sound like abuse - hope you don't have kids also! How big are the cages? *How many cats do you have? 5 cats - 15 feet by 36 feet - more than they gets at shelters How many are in each cage? *How often do you let them out? they run the house and the outside cage! Why do you have cats when you treat them this way? Better than you treat them - I value my cats! You mean you let them outside but keep them in a big cage outside? That makes sense. Essentially I do the same thing. My backyard is a big cage for them. Of course, it's a cage that has no top so the birds do stop by. It is attached to my house! The cats decide when to go out and when to go in! That is a great idea. Any pictures? |
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Trap, Neuter, and Release: Bad for Cats, Disaster for Birds (HD)
Look how much the cats in my colony are suffering.....
http://maxshouse.com/on_the_prowl.htm Congratulations that big tabby with the lions mane!!! What a splendid cat!!! |
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Trap, Neuter, and Release: Bad for Cats, Disaster for Birds (HD)
chatnoir wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/abcbirds Simple just make it law to register a cat or dog and you can't register unless the cat or dog is desexed - if you don't the council willvisit your house and take your animal compulsorily and do it anyway and charge you against your council rates. The law should also take away your right to legal recourse or to sue anyone or to slow up or stop the process. Simple we need more bossy authorities to put a stop to bogans who bleat civil rights and do nothing. If you are a registered breeder then it doesn't apply. |
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Trap, Neuter, and Release: Bad for Cats, Disaster for Birds (HD)
Netmask wrote:
chatnoir wrote: http://www.youtube.com/abcbirds Simple just make it law to register a cat or dog and you can't register unless the cat or dog is desexed - if you don't the council will visit your house and take your animal compulsorily and do it anyway and charge you against your council rates. The law should also take away your right to legal recourse or to sue anyone or to slow up or stop the process. Simple we need more bossy authorities to put a stop to bogans who bleat civil rights and do nothing. If you are a registered breeder then it doesn't apply. Good. So let's start with people while we're at it. One can't get a driver's license, or get an identity number, or be a legal person, unless one is desexed. Unless one is registered as a breeder, of course. Taking the breeder tests (where no more than 10% pass) will happen at the end of high school; if you can't graduate from high school then of course you don't get to take the tests and eventually be a breeder. Illegal sexed persons without breeder status will be trapped, neutered and released on sight. If they had had illegal offspring, they will be immediately terminated, and the offspring trapped, neutered and released. What say you? |
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Trap, Neuter, and Release: Bad for Cats, Disaster for Birds (HD)
Suddenly, without warning, Dragoman exclaimed (9/29/2009 6:49 PM):
Netmask wrote: chatnoir wrote: http://www.youtube.com/abcbirds Simple just make it law to register a cat or dog and you can't register unless the cat or dog is desexed - if you don't the council will visit your house and take your animal compulsorily and do it anyway and charge you against your council rates. The law should also take away your right to legal recourse or to sue anyone or to slow up or stop the process. Simple we need more bossy authorities to put a stop to bogans who bleat civil rights and do nothing. If you are a registered breeder then it doesn't apply. Good. So let's start with people while we're at it. One can't get a driver's license, or get an identity number, or be a legal person, unless one is desexed. Unless one is registered as a breeder, of course. Taking the breeder tests (where no more than 10% pass) will happen at the end of high school; if you can't graduate from high school then of course you don't get to take the tests and eventually be a breeder. Illegal sexed persons without breeder status will be trapped, neutered and released on sight. If they had had illegal offspring, they will be immediately terminated, and the offspring trapped, neutered and released. What say you? Works for me. I don't need to be trapped and desexed though, chose at an early age to not reproduce. There's genetics in my family I'd rather not pass on. jmc |
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Trap, Neuter, and Release: Bad for Cats, Disaster for Birds (HD)
Dragoman wrote:
Netmask wrote: chatnoir wrote: http://www.youtube.com/abcbirds Simple just make it law to register a cat or dog and you can't register unless the cat or dog is desexed - if you don't the council will visit your house and take your animal compulsorily and do it anyway and charge you against your council rates. The law should also take away your right to legal recourse or to sue anyone or to slow up or stop the process. Simple we need more bossy authorities to put a stop to bogans who bleat civil rights and do nothing. If you are a registered breeder then it doesn't apply. Good. So let's start with people while we're at it. One can't get a driver's license, or get an identity number, or be a legal person, unless one is desexed. Unless one is registered as a breeder, of course. Taking the breeder tests (where no more than 10% pass) will happen at the end of high school; if you can't graduate from high school then of course you don't get to take the tests and eventually be a breeder. Illegal sexed persons without breeder status will be trapped, neutered and released on sight. If they had had illegal offspring, they will be immediately terminated, and the offspring trapped, neutered and released. What say you? No lets not speak off topic - we are only talking about domestic home based pets - there is no need to draw long paranoid bows in order to extend a proposal from "apples to pears" A law can be framed that no precedence can be drawn from it or extended beyond the scope of the original law. It's all in the framing, intent and the scope of the law. Don't know about the USA but laws are often written in that format in Oz. Besides our judges wouldn't go beyond the scope of the law anyway. There was a criminal case recently that had certain controversial elements and the judge bringing down his verdict specifically spelled out that the judgment could not be used as a precedence for any other matter - end of story. So DON'T PANIC |
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Trap, Neuter, and Release: Bad for Cats, Disaster for Birds (HD)
Netmask wrote:
Dragoman wrote: Netmask wrote: chatnoir wrote: http://www.youtube.com/abcbirds Simple just make it law to register a cat or dog and you can't register unless the cat or dog is desexed - if you don't the council will visit your house and take your animal compulsorily and do it anyway and charge you against your council rates. The law should also take away your right to legal recourse or to sue anyone or to slow up or stop the process. Simple we need more bossy authorities to put a stop to bogans who bleat civil rights and do nothing. If you are a registered breeder then it doesn't apply. Good. So let's start with people while we're at it. One can't get a driver's license, or get an identity number, or be a legal person, unless one is desexed. Unless one is registered as a breeder, of course. Taking the breeder tests (where no more than 10% pass) will happen at the end of high school; if you can't graduate from high school then of course you don't get to take the tests and eventually be a breeder. Illegal sexed persons without breeder status will be trapped, neutered and released on sight. If they had had illegal offspring, they will be immediately terminated, and the offspring trapped, neutered and released. What say you? No lets not speak off topic - we are only talking about domestic home based pets - there is no need to draw long paranoid bows in order to extend a proposal from "apples to pears" A law can be framed that no precedence can be drawn from it or extended beyond the scope of the original law. It's all in the framing, intent and the scope of the law. Don't know about the USA but laws are often written in that format in Oz. Besides our judges wouldn't go beyond the scope of the law anyway. There was a criminal case recently that had certain controversial elements and the judge bringing down his verdict specifically spelled out that the judgment could not be used as a precedence for any other matter - end of story. So DON'T PANIC So are you saying that it's just A Modest Proposal? Or that it's Mostly Harmless? |
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Trap, Neuter, and Release: Bad for Cats, Disaster for Birds (HD)
Dragoman wrote:
Netmask wrote: Dragoman wrote: Netmask wrote: chatnoir wrote: http://www.youtube.com/abcbirds Simple just make it law to register a cat or dog and you can't register unless the cat or dog is desexed - if you don't the council will visit your house and take your animal compulsorily and do it anyway and charge you against your council rates. The law should also take away your right to legal recourse or to sue anyone or to slow up or stop the process. Simple we need more bossy authorities to put a stop to bogans who bleat civil rights and do nothing. If you are a registered breeder then it doesn't apply. Good. So let's start with people while we're at it. One can't get a driver's license, or get an identity number, or be a legal person, unless one is desexed. Unless one is registered as a breeder, of course. Taking the breeder tests (where no more than 10% pass) will happen at the end of high school; if you can't graduate from high school then of course you don't get to take the tests and eventually be a breeder. Illegal sexed persons without breeder status will be trapped, neutered and released on sight. If they had had illegal offspring, they will be immediately terminated, and the offspring trapped, neutered and released. What say you? No lets not speak off topic - we are only talking about domestic home based pets - there is no need to draw long paranoid bows in order to extend a proposal from "apples to pears" A law can be framed that no precedence can be drawn from it or extended beyond the scope of the original law. It's all in the framing, intent and the scope of the law. Don't know about the USA but laws are often written in that format in Oz. Besides our judges wouldn't go beyond the scope of the law anyway. There was a criminal case recently that had certain controversial elements and the judge bringing down his verdict specifically spelled out that the judgment could not be used as a precedence for any other matter - end of story. So DON'T PANIC So are you saying that it's just A Modest Proposal? Or that it's Mostly Harmless? Freedom as enjoyed in most democracies comes with a set of responsibilities and a balance between unfettered survivelists style "I'll do what I like" (these people probable as children didn't have parents that defined their limits nor adequate potty training and have never really grown up) and reasonable behavior. So some things are compulsory like road laws and the like that infringements can result in the death and therefore the abridgment of their rights. So I regard the compulsory desexing of domestic pets that have not been registered for breeding as Mostly Harmless and a very Modest Proposal. Maybe we could ask the Vogans to do the dirty dead, in triplicate of course.... |
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