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"Lesley" wrote in message
... On Aug 3, 9:44 pm, wrote: But not *painful*. I find a blood pressure cuff more painful! I love you Joyce!!!! Not had the mammogram yet but finally someone else who doesn't like blood pressure cuffs- everyone says they don't hurt but I find they make me feel as if my arm is about to be crushed. I mean the year before last I had a filling done, one where my dentist took one look at what had come out and said "Oh my God that's big!" and then had to drill into the tooth to provide purchase for the screws which were then screwed in to hold the new filling in place along with a couple of nails that were hammered into the root canal..and I didn't have any anaesthesia at all And I would sooner have that done that blood pressure cuffs...close run through Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs *** I don't think I'd go quite that far, but I hate the blood pressure cuffs and find them very painful as well. Since I believe pain can raise your blood pressure, it seems to me that they can't get an accurate reading that way. They can now take your temperature by sticking the thermometer in your ear for three seconds. Why can't they figure out a way to take your blood pressure painlessly? Joy |
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"Christina Websell" wrote in message
... "CatNipped" wrote in message ... "Joy" wrote in message .. . wrote in message ... MaryL -out-the-litter wrote: Don't worry about it. I responded "just in case" Pat was serious about this joke convincing her never to have a mammogram. That's too important to overlook. However, I seriously doubt if this joke -- or your message -- would have anything at all to do with Pat's decision. Just read some of her previous comments about her views on medical care, and I think that would actually be the basis of her decision. Well, in fairness, there is *some* controversy about the effectiveness of mammograms. They don't necessarily find all breast cancers. I still get them, though, because I would rather be doing something than nothing, and it's not like they've been *proven* to be useless. In fact, mammograms do find early cancers all the time. Besides, I don't know of any other diagnostic device for breast cancer. So if a mammogram were to fail to find cancer, I'd be in the same place I would be if I hadn't had one. Whereas if it does find it, then I'm better off, right? -- Joyce ^..^ Exactly. It seems to me I've heard about something else that some doctors recommend in addition to mammograms, but I've never heard of a doctor recommending you not get one because it might not find cancer. Every few years I end up having an ultrasound after my mammo, because I am prone to cysts. I had my first one removed when I was 14 years old. I had another one removed about 40 years later. In between, and since, I've had them, but they come and go. I've had a couple of needle biopsies, but the ultrasound can usually tell they are just cysts, so I haven't had one of those in a long time. Now whenever they find a lump, I just assume it's another cyst. So far it always has been. That doesn't keep me from getting my annual mammo, though. However, my ob-gyn told me I only need 7 more, and then I can stop getting them. It seems they aren't necessary after you are 80. Joy ?????!!! Really?! Why aren't they necessary after you are 80? My grandmother lived to be 104 - so she had 24 more years after 80 in which to possibly get breast cancer. I guess it doesn't matter to the medical bods if you die after you are 80. Same as myself, if I seem to be clear of cancer after 5 years, I will be discharged as a success. We all know it doesn't always work like that. My colleague had breast cancer, had a mastectomy, and chemo, was declared a success. Ten years later it was back, in her bones, and she is now dead at the age of 49. Sometimes when somebody has been declared cured, they will later get a different type of cancer. Of course there are so many variables regarding cancer. There are any number of different types, which behave differently. Many of them don't always behave the way they are expected to. I've known people who were given a few months to live and they're still alive years later. I knew a girl who was in junior high school (now called middle school) who had leukemia. Her parents were told that, in spite of the treatments which made her hair fall out, she had a 30% chance of living to graduate from high school, and a 3% chance of living much beyond that. She is now 44 years old. I don't know whether to laugh or cry when people talk about "a cure for cancer". There will never be such a thing. Progress is being made, and there may well be cures for certain types of cancers. Theoretically it is possible that someday there will be cures for all types of cancer. However, they will be many different types of cures for many different types of cancer. Joy (whose husband died of squamus cell carcinoma of the lungs) |
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"Joy" wrote in message ... "Lesley" wrote in message ... On Aug 3, 9:44 pm, wrote: But not *painful*. I find a blood pressure cuff more painful! I love you Joyce!!!! Not had the mammogram yet but finally someone else who doesn't like blood pressure cuffs- everyone says they don't hurt but I find they make me feel as if my arm is about to be crushed. I mean the year before last I had a filling done, one where my dentist took one look at what had come out and said "Oh my God that's big!" and then had to drill into the tooth to provide purchase for the screws which were then screwed in to hold the new filling in place along with a couple of nails that were hammered into the root canal..and I didn't have any anaesthesia at all And I would sooner have that done that blood pressure cuffs...close run through Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs *** I don't think I'd go quite that far, but I hate the blood pressure cuffs and find them very painful as well. Since I believe pain can raise your blood pressure, it seems to me that they can't get an accurate reading that way. They can now take your temperature by sticking the thermometer in your ear for three seconds. Why can't they figure out a way to take your blood pressure painlessly? Some of 'them' can. I too have a problem when someone insists on running the pressure on the cuff up so high it makes the reading inaccurate because of the pain. And with anyone who can see that I need the larger cuff but is too lazy to go find it and tries to take my blood pressure with one that doesn't fit. Then there are those who can't hear well enough to get an accurate reading. But the nurse at my current doctor's office is a love. She can put the regular cuff around my forearm and get an accurate reading every time. Jo |
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Joy wrote:
Sometimes when somebody has been declared cured, they will later get a different type of cancer. Of course there are so many variables regarding cancer. There are any number of different types, which behave differently. Many of them don't always behave the way they are expected to. I've known people who were given a few months to live and they're still alive years later. I knew a girl who was in junior high school (now called middle school) who had leukemia. Her parents were told that, in spite of the treatments which made her hair fall out, she had a 30% chance of living to graduate from high school, and a 3% chance of living much beyond that. She is now 44 years old. I don't know whether to laugh or cry when people talk about "a cure for cancer". There will never be such a thing. Progress is being made, and there may well be cures for certain types of cancers. Theoretically it is possible that someday there will be cures for all types of cancer. However, they will be many different types of cures for many different types of cancer. Joy (whose husband died of squamus cell carcinoma of the lungs) I'm so sorry for your loss. Yes, 'cure for cancer' is almost meaningless considering the very wide range of diseases that are all classified under 'cancer'. Nevertheless, some progress has been made. One of my cousins also had leukemia - one of the common childhood ones, I forget which. Some years before she was diagnosed, it was nearly 100% fatal. When she was sick, it was about 50% fatal (and she wasn't in the lucky 50%). Now, almost all children who get that type of cancer survive longterm - well into adulthood, maybe as long as anyone else; it's early to be sure. That's an enormous improvement just in my lifetime. Others, well...not so good. And even certain kinds of cancer aren't all the same - we've been talking about breast cancer, but there are different kinds of breast cancer, some more aggressive than others, some more easily treated (especially if not advanced when discovered), some with a hormonal or genetic relationship. A younger friend of mine is being treated for breast cancer now and it looks very bad. Other women I know have survived for years and years. Different forms of breast cancer, probably; discovered and treated at different stages. And you're right about someone getting a different kind of cancer. It happened to my grandmother - and because of the earlier diagnosis, we questioned the doctors carefully about whether the new cancer was a recurrence or not - they were certain it was completely different. She had a lot of very good years after the first cancer was successfully treated with surgery and radiation, and before the second one hit. Cheryl |
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On Aug 6, 2:01*pm, wrote:
Good lord, please tell me you're exaggerating. Your mouth must have looked like Frankenstein's mouth. And why on earth didn't you have anesthesia?? Not even novocaine? Not exaggerating- it was a molar- 2 in from the side of my jaw and if there's one thing I hate it's an injection in that position! It always feels like it's going to go through the joint. I had the understanding that if I asked her to stop she would and we'd go on under anaesthetic. It only hurt in occasional sharp flashes apart from the last 10 seconds, which felt half an hour long each! It looks fine but will need to be crowned at some point Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs |
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Lesley wrote:
On Aug 3, 9:44 pm, wrote: But not *painful*. I find a blood pressure cuff more painful! I love you Joyce!!!! Not had the mammogram yet but finally someone else who doesn't like blood pressure cuffs- everyone says they don't hurt but I find they make me feel as if my arm is about to be crushed. I mean the year before last I had a filling done, one where my dentist took one look at what had come out and said "Oh my God that's big!" and then had to drill into the tooth to provide purchase for the screws which were then screwed in to hold the new filling in place along with a couple of nails that were hammered into the root canal..and I didn't have any anaesthesia at all And I would sooner have that done that blood pressure cuffs...close run through Eeep. I've always been nervous with dentists and in spite of the fact that I've been going to a very good one for many years the old terrors sometimes stick their heads up. Anticipation isn't much fun either, so when at the last regular checkup my dentist informed me that I really should have one of my last two wisdom teeth out and a filling done in another tooth, and although I could certainly take my time and think it over, he had just had a cancellation for the morning....well, I figured I'd better go ahead rather than work myself up into a state of terror. With anesthesia - including that really awful needle where you feel like the tip is coming out of the top of your head, it actually wasn't that bad, but without anesthesia shudder I don't mind blood pressure measurement, although those free machines in drugstores pinch pretty hard. My doctor thinks they're usually inaccurate and doesn't really recommend using them. Mammograms - so-so. I've had one or two that felt like they were planning on performing a mastectomy with the damn machine but either the techs have gotten better or my breasts have gotten less sensitive, and I haven't had a problem like that in ages. I got referred to the special breast screening clinic (and the hospital for a baseline bone density scan) at 50, talk about feeling like I'm falling apart! But I had no trouble getting in - my GP told me to book well in advance rather than wait for the clinic to call because at that time the clinic tended to call and tell you you were due for an appointment on the anniversary of your previous one, at which time they tended to be booked up for several months. They've fixed that now, and call or write ahead of time to book an appointment at the proper time. I must say, it's a nice efficient place. And it's got the largest hospital gowns I've ever seen. A woman of any size can safely and modestly swathe herself in one for the walk from the change rooms to the waiting area. They also have a nurse to a very thorough physical breast exam and answer any questions you might have. Cheryl |
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bastXXXette Lesley On Aug 3, 9:44?pm, bastXXXe: But not *painful*. I find a blood pressure cuff more painful! I love you Joyce!!!! Wow, I never realized it was so easy to be loved. It's easy to love such a sweet person like yourself Not had the mammogram yet but finally someone else who doesn't like blood pressure cuffs- everyone says they don't hurt but I find they make me feel as if my arm is about to be crushed. They didn't used to hurt when doctors pumped it manually, but now everyone uses digital ones, and those just keep squeezing and squeezing and squeezing. I'm always about to start saying, "Um, hello? Yes, um, my arm is coming off? Is this supposed to happen?" I mean the year before last I had a filling done, one where my dentist took one look at what had come out and said "Oh my God that's big!" and then had to drill into the tooth to provide purchase for the screws which were then screwed in to hold the new filling in place along with a couple of nails that were hammered into the root canal..and I didn't have any anaesthesia at all That is wrong IMO!! Not even laughing gas aka nitrous oxide? Good lord, please tell me you're exaggerating. Your mouth must have looked like Frankenstein's mouth. And why on earth didn't you have anesthesia?? Not even novocaine? Most dentists are evil IMO. I'm glad I have dentures, which I rarely wear because the top one doesn't fit, and my lower went missing years ago. Ho hum. Kyla -- Joyce ^..^ (To email me, remove the X's from my user name.) |
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"polonca12000" ... kilikini wrote: I didn't think of gall bladder, but that could be it, too. I need mine out, but mine is complicated from my previous surgeries. I can't get it done laparoscopically (I have no belly button) and my lower abdominals have been removed to rebuild my chest. The complication is that the muscles' blood supply is still attached to my waistline. If a surgeon cuts through that blood supply, the muscles die. So, to help avoid more surgery, I have once again drastically changed my diet. Pretty soon I'll be down to just water. :-/ kili Lots of purrs and gentle hugs, Polonca and Soncek Lots of purrs and gentle hugs coming from our house too Kyla and Clowder |
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"Cheryl P." wrote in message
... Joy wrote: Sometimes when somebody has been declared cured, they will later get a different type of cancer. Of course there are so many variables regarding cancer. There are any number of different types, which behave differently. Many of them don't always behave the way they are expected to. I've known people who were given a few months to live and they're still alive years later. I knew a girl who was in junior high school (now called middle school) who had leukemia. Her parents were told that, in spite of the treatments which made her hair fall out, she had a 30% chance of living to graduate from high school, and a 3% chance of living much beyond that. She is now 44 years old. I don't know whether to laugh or cry when people talk about "a cure for cancer". There will never be such a thing. Progress is being made, and there may well be cures for certain types of cancers. Theoretically it is possible that someday there will be cures for all types of cancer. However, they will be many different types of cures for many different types of cancer. Joy (whose husband died of squamus cell carcinoma of the lungs) I'm so sorry for your loss. Thank you. It was over 22 years ago. Yes, 'cure for cancer' is almost meaningless considering the very wide range of diseases that are all classified under 'cancer'. Nevertheless, some progress has been made. One of my cousins also had leukemia - one of the common childhood ones, I forget which. Some years before she was diagnosed, it was nearly 100% fatal. When she was sick, it was about 50% fatal (and she wasn't in the lucky 50%). Now, almost all children who get that type of cancer survive longterm - well into adulthood, maybe as long as anyone else; it's early to be sure. That's an enormous improvement just in my lifetime. Others, well...not so good. And even certain kinds of cancer aren't all the same - we've been talking about breast cancer, but there are different kinds of breast cancer, some more aggressive than others, some more easily treated (especially if not advanced when discovered), some with a hormonal or genetic relationship. A younger friend of mine is being treated for breast cancer now and it looks very bad. Other women I know have survived for years and years. Different forms of breast cancer, probably; discovered and treated at different stages. Yes, I know several breast cancer survivors, and have known a couple of women who didn't survive. My husband was told there are at least three different kinds of lung cancer. The one he had is almost always caused by smoking. And there are at least a couple of kinds of skin cancer. I've known several people who had one kind removed with no further problems, or maybe they'd get the same kind again and it would be removed without doing further damage. OTOH, malignant melanoma is one of the deadliest cancers around. And you're right about someone getting a different kind of cancer. It happened to my grandmother - and because of the earlier diagnosis, we questioned the doctors carefully about whether the new cancer was a recurrence or not - they were certain it was completely different. She had a lot of very good years after the first cancer was successfully treated with surgery and radiation, and before the second one hit. My Dad was on long-term treatment for prostate cancer when he had several relatively harmless skin cancers removed. The doctor said the two were totally unrelated. Joy |
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