(OT) the loser lair

hopitus wrote:
"jmcquown" wrote in message
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Enfilade wrote:
*commence rant*

This is a rant about the loser lair where our next door neighbours
live. TWICE this week they've woken us both from sleep with their
loud music. Once at 1:30 am, once at 3 am.

Last year, every month or so they'd get their music a little loud.
We'd go over and ask them to turn them down, and they would.

But earlier this year, they started getting snotty--ignoring us, or
telling us to f!ck off, etc.
(snippage)
--Enfilade

Unfortunately, these days people are all too inconsiderate. It's
just like
when a car turns the corner by my house... Ido NOT want to have my
home rocked by the bass thumping. Hello, if it's music, you don't
need to be deafened by it.

LOL I play loud music but turn it way down after 11pm -
the "witching hour" (no offense, Wiccans) in most places
AFA the law's interest in your noise volume level. Very lucky, I'm
surrounded by young foks who also enjoy loud tunes, but not the same
genre as mine (we are @ streetside end of old building w/excellent
insulation) and we are separated by a very old, very loud vintage
elevator from the other apts. on our floor. There is between each
floor a 2-foot concrete subflooring so folks below hear nothing
(we've discussed this w/them). You should all be so lucky to live in
a bldg. like ours. Now the 'hood is something else.... loud tunes
help drown out the screams, curses, sirens, and gunshots in our cozy
little MileHigh 'hood, LOL, not to mention the all-night verbal
fights below. It's all relative, isn't it?

Oh I don't even want to get into how many times I called the police due to
gunshots or the neighbors bashing each other. That's one reason I moved. I
would have LOVED to have music to complain about! Then there was the
downstairs neighbor who asked his 14 year old son to prepare dinner. So the
kid lit a fire in the grill, threw on a chicken, then went inside and got
lost in whatever passed for a Playstation back in 1998. I was sitting on my
(wooden) balcony above, reading, when flames starting shooting up. I ran
downstairs, banged on the door... kid finally answers the door. Your grill
is on fire and about to burn the building down. Oh shoot! LOL There is a
reason for grill laws in apartments. There should also be laws against a
father telling a 14 year old boy to grill a chicken without supervision

Jill

"jmcquown" wrote in message
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hopitus wrote:
"jmcquown" wrote in message
.. .
Enfilade wrote:
*commence rant*

This is a rant about the loser lair where our next door neighbours
live. TWICE this week they've woken us both from sleep with their
loud music. Once at 1:30 am, once at 3 am.

Last year, every month or so they'd get their music a little loud.
We'd go over and ask them to turn them down, and they would.

But earlier this year, they started getting snotty--ignoring us, or
telling us to f!ck off, etc.
(snippage)
--Enfilade

Unfortunately, these days people are all too inconsiderate. It's
just like
when a car turns the corner by my house... Ido NOT want to have my
home rocked by the bass thumping. Hello, if it's music, you don't
need to be deafened by it.

LOL I play loud music but turn it way down after 11pm -
the "witching hour" (no offense, Wiccans) in most places
AFA the law's interest in your noise volume level. Very lucky, I'm
surrounded by young foks who also enjoy loud tunes, but not the same
genre as mine (we are @ streetside end of old building w/excellent
insulation) and we are separated by a very old, very loud vintage
elevator from the other apts. on our floor. There is between each
floor a 2-foot concrete subflooring so folks below hear nothing
(we've discussed this w/them). You should all be so lucky to live in
a bldg. like ours. Now the 'hood is something else.... loud tunes
help drown out the screams, curses, sirens, and gunshots in our cozy
little MileHigh 'hood, LOL, not to mention the all-night verbal
fights below. It's all relative, isn't it?

Oh I don't even want to get into how many times I called the police due to
gunshots or the neighbors bashing each other. That's one reason I moved.
I
would have LOVED to have music to complain about! Then there was the
downstairs neighbor who asked his 14 year old son to prepare dinner. So
the
kid lit a fire in the grill, threw on a chicken, then went inside and got
lost in whatever passed for a Playstation back in 1998. I was sitting on
my
(wooden) balcony above, reading, when flames starting shooting up. I ran
downstairs, banged on the door... kid finally answers the door. Your
grill
is on fire and about to burn the building down. Oh shoot! LOL There is
a
reason for grill laws in apartments. There should also be laws against a
father telling a 14 year old boy to grill a chicken without supervision

Jill
Your experience would be funny in a way except for this:
back in the mid-80's, when we lived in Bay Area, CA,
I went out on our wooden balcony to check out a hummingbird feasting @ our
hanging feeder, smelled something godawful, turned my head to the right just
in time to see my right-hand next door neighbor's grill, complete
w/something in cremated state on it, finally burn through his balcony floor
and crash to cement patio of apt. below his, leaving hole in his balcony
floor exactly size of his grill (round)! He had got drunk and was asleep on
l.r. sofa. Luckily, the kids & their parents below him were off somewhere
else. I finally understood then the ordinances in Miami forbidding BBQ
grilling on balconies
(and most of Miami's balconies are concrete, not wood!).

mlbriggs wrote:

It is called "disturbing the peace" -- report them to the police....EACH
TIME.

In addition to generic laws against disturbing the peace,
many communities (at least in the U.S.) have specific noise
curfews - no loud music (or operating construction
equipment) before seven or eight A.M., or after ten or
eleven P.M. (Specific times vary, but most of them
recognize the rights of people who keep "normal" hours to be
assured of a quiet night's sleep.)

Enfilade wrote:


I don't get why this is so hard for 205. This city is full of bars and
clubs where you can go out and listen to deafening music until dawn.
Why don't they go there?

Didn't you say they have children? That kind of rules out
bars, unless they can pay a baby-sitter. If you are
responsible tenants who pay their rent on time and give the
landlord no problems, you might try letting the building's
owner know directly how you feel about it. (Most landlords
would rather lose an undesireable tenant than a desireable one.)

jmcquown wrote:

One day I got a bit uncharacteristically rude when I was on my patio and a
guy across the street left his stereo playing in his truck. I yelled, "HEY!
Not everyone in the neighborhood wants to hear that, you know?" (when I want
to I have a very loud voice LOL) He turned it off and apologized.
Apparently he was so used to it being loud he had no idea it would bother
anyone else.

I have a new neighbor across the hall who tends to play his
music much too loud for my tastes. (The buiding is
reasonably sound-proof, so even though I can hear it all the
way to the front door of the building, I don't necessarily
hear it in my apartment.) He's always very apologetic, and
immediately turns it down if I tap on his door and ask him
to. (He's also a very nice young man, has a cat, and it's
never really late, but still......) His excuse is that he's
"very passionate" about music. I bit my tongue and did not
tell him that I don't consider what he listens to "music",
but even if it were exactly to my own taste, I'd prefer to
listen only when I chose to. (As it is, I keep my radio on
a lot more than I otherwise would, just to mask sound from
the other apartments.)

Cheryl Perkins wrote:



You're doing the right thing by making formal reports - the landlord might
need that if he decides to proceed against them. As for why they do it -
some people are inconsiderate. Some have parties that get out of control.
The least convincing excuse I ever heard from one of my neighbours was
'We don't mean to be noisy, but we really can't tell when we're getting
loud.' And they weren't suffering from any form of hearing loss, either.

Actually, it was probably true! Because so much modern
"pop" music "has to be loud to be good", they were probably
so used to hearing it that way they didn't even realize it
might disturb someone else.



Cheryl

Jo Firey wrote:

"Enfilade" wrote in message
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You aren't the only people affected by these lowlifes, I assume, so you
probably aren't the only ones calling the supervisor.


We live in the corner apartment. 205--the loser lair--is the only
place we share a wall with. I really wish it wasn't our bedroom wall.
I wonder if their living room, with their stereo, is on the other side
of our bedroom wall. Regardless, I don't think we should have to move
our bed or sleep in the living room.


You shouldn't have to, but I'd seriously consider at least moving the bed if
that would help.

Why? Even if the configuration of the room allows (in some,
there's only one place you CAN put a bed - especially if
it's a large one), why should Enfilade have to "adjust" to
neighbors who break the rules?


I really don't like to get into confrontations with neighbors, so I would be
more inclined to move if it were me. Or to at least threaten to. That
could put some pressure on management.

That's why I leave such "confrontations" to the police -
they simply tell the offender there have been "complaints",
they don't say "your neighbor at such-and-such-an-address
complained". (And most places, they have "teeth" to enforce
a "request" to turn the music down.)

On 27 Aug 2005 16:18:13 -0700, "Enfilade"
wrote:

*commence rant*

This is a rant about the loser lair where our next door neighbours
live. TWICE this week they've woken us both from sleep with their loud
music. Once at 1:30 am, once at 3 am.

Last year, every month or so they'd get their music a little loud.
We'd go over and ask them to turn them down, and they would.

But earlier this year, they started getting snotty--ignoring us, or
telling us to f!ck off, etc. They're working adults, too, with
children, not university kids. So we wrote a formal letter of
complaint, and our landlord gave us the supervisor's number to call.

We've called it four times. Last night, they had to call in security.
The loser lair ignored security pounding on their door, until the guard
had to call in backup before they turned it down.

We don't want to get the cops involved in this--I know cops have better
things to do with their time--but we don't see a lot of other choice
since we have the right to sleep in our own damn bed at night.

We don't care if we can hear their music in our bedroom during the
day...it's annoying sometimes but we can go to the living room. After
11 pm though, we kind of need to...and DESERVE TO...sleep in our own
damn bed.

What's bugging me the most is not being able to know if, or when, we'll
get peace and quiet in our own home...if I'll sleep through the night
or get blasted out of bed by the neighbours' bass again...if the
supervisor will be in when we call her, and how long it will take for
someone to actually get ahold of the neighbours and convince them they
HAVE to turn the music down NOW...and having to waste my own time and
energy looking up bylaws and thinking about this, when it's not really
that damn hard to keep your music down to a reasonable level after 11
pm.

--Enfilade

You have my sympathy, Fil. I had a neighbor below me once who cranked
up her music, all hours of the day and night, to the point where the
floor vibrated. It was terrible. I had to resort to calling the
police, and after the second time, it did the trick. The one good
thing I got out of the whole experience was my wonderful Circe (RB).
The lowlife woman had him dumped on her, and was feeding him
*cornflakes* for food! She didn't want him, anyway, and I said "I'll
take him!" And she didn't crank the music up again, either.

Wishing you best of luck on getting the losers to tone it down.

Ginger-lyn

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On 27 Aug 2005 17:23:03 -0700, "Enfilade"
wrote:



You aren't the only people affected by these lowlifes, I assume, so you
probably aren't the only ones calling the supervisor.

Well, 203 on the other side of them, they play their music pretty loud
too. We can hear it in the hall, but we don't really care because when
our door is shut, we can't hear sound from 203. 203 is 201 and 205's
problem.

We live in the corner apartment. 205--the loser lair--is the only
place we share a wall with. I really wish it wasn't our bedroom wall.
I wonder if their living room, with their stereo, is on the other side
of our bedroom wall. Regardless, I don't think we should have to move
our bed or sleep in the living room. As I said before, we can ignore
the sound of their music until 11 pm. After that we want our bed. We
work mornings.

Once, 107 under us was playing their music really loud and we went down
to ask them to turn it down. They were really embarrassed having no
idea the sound was travelling up through their ceiling/our floor, and
we have never had to talk to them again. THAT I don't mind at all.
Everyone makes mistakes.

I don't get why this is so hard for 205. This city is full of bars and
clubs where you can go out and listen to deafening music until dawn.
Why don't they go there?


This reminds me of my sister's experience some years ago. She was
living in a second-floor apartment, and the man living under my sister
would play his music so loudly that the couple living on the third
floor (above my sister) would bang on the floor, thinking that my
sister was at fault. The tenant in question was evicted after five or
six weeks of residency, since everyone else in the building was
complaining about him and he refused to limit his music's volume.

--
John F. Eldredge --
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"Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better
than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria

This reminds me of my sister's experience some years ago. She was
living in a second-floor apartment, and the man living under my sister
would play his music so loudly that the couple living on the third
floor (above my sister) would bang on the floor, thinking that my
sister was at fault. The tenant in question was evicted after five or
six weeks of residency, since everyone else in the building was
complaining about him and he refused to limit his music's volume.


Well, on Saturday night we finally called the police. Unfortunately,
after two hours they had yet to arrive--they had too many prior noise
violations to deal with and had to work their way through the list--and
the noise (which now included hammering on our wall and screaming in
addition to loud music ) ended at 1 am.

Earplugs are not going to cut it. The music was so loud that our whole
bed was shaking. We could hear it through most of our apartment,
except for the very far corner of our living room.

We are model tenants, and we have called the management and building
security four times. The last time, security had to call the police
after the neighbours told them to f!ck off and other abuse.

My mother says that we should not be calling the police--she thinks
that by doing so, I've escalated the problem and have opened myself up
for abuse, assault, etc by the neighbours. But frankly, unless they
break into our apartment I don't see what they can do that's any worse.
It feels bad to be criticized by my own family for trying to protect
our rights.

We were up all night. We slept from 8 am Sunday Morning to 5 pm Sunday
afternoon.

Mercifully, last night was quiet. I had no trouble sleeping from 10
until 6, not even after our mid day sleep.

I just hope it lasts. According to local laws, if we can hear the
neighbours after 9 pm we are within our rights to call the police and
make a noise complaint. DP plans to do it every time that it's between
9 pm and 7 am and he can hear music loud enough to prevent sleeping.

I don't look forward to a war, but I frankly don't know what else to
do. I'm so tired and nervous that I can't eat, and feel sick.

Purrs would be appreciated.

--Fil