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OT Calif. City Bans Smoking in Public Places
On Mon 20 Mar 2006 07:42:10p, wrote in rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
): All the same, I think the justified concern over second-hand smoke has unfortunately been conflated with our tendency to go on puritannical witch-hunts, to the point where it has reached a certain hysteria. I certainly don't want to go back to breathing smoke everywhere I go, but jeez, why can't someone enjoy their cigarette if nobody is *forced* to breathe it? I've just been catching up on reading this thread (with much interest!), and a smoker myself, I'd never knowingly force others to breathe in my second hand smoke. In Maryland (Merlin ) we've had a smoke-free workplace since the late 80s in most places, and malls and other public places have been smoke-free since the mid 90s (for the most part), but it took until the last couple of years to completely ban smoking from restaurants and clubs. The owners were afraid it would hurt business and that people would go to DC where they had no such regulations. Well, it's finally been passed to allow no smoking indoors, and I believe I've heard that it didn't hurt business. Heck, we're all used to having to go outdoors. I would go outside even when smoking was allowed at the bar, and away from the entrance. I don't even smoke in my own house. I'm outvoted with 4 non-smokers vs just me. -- Cheryl |
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OT Calif. City Bans Smoking in Public Places
"Matthew AKA NMR ( NO MORE RETAIL )" 10 points a troll
@linethetrollsup.com wrote in message ... Legal or not I would never hire an employee that used it. All our employees get a up front drug test ( blood, not urine ) and random drug test you fail unless there is a reason you failed Good Bye!! All I need is a stock person running a lift to drop the merchandise on a customer because he or she was stoned Now the part about smoking. It is not allowed of course inside the store or within 60 feet of the entrance due to the Florida laws. Security will ask you to put it out or to leave if you hang out in front smoking. No employee may smoke on property while in work uniform ( on or off the clock) or if you are on the work schedule. Before we changed the policy luckily Florida made it easy for with the state laws coming into effect. Smoker used to take smoke breaks while outside without clocking out Non smoking employees complained why can he or she take 5 minutes to take a puff and I can't take 5 minutes to grab a soda. I also never thought it was a good image of employees hanging out smoking while in company uniform. Our insurance company test you for nicotine if you are a smoker they will not give you health benefits. I understand smokers being a ex smoker of 7 years; one of the best things I ever did. But there is something about being out and some body is chain smoking outside a business and you end up reeking of cigarette smoke. If common courtesy was done by everyone I could see not banning it but since the world is the way it is. It is coming down to where you are going to only be able to be bad in your own home and than your spouse will be able to divorce you or your kids will be able to sue you since you are a smoker DH is *NOT* allowed to smoke within 20 feet of our house! ; -- Hugs, CatNipped See all my masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/ "CatNipped" wrote in message ... "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message ... Fat Freddy wrote: "Those who smoke out of doors are hurting only themselves, and so far, that's still their right." Then why do not heroin, cocaine, or meth addicts have that same right? Perhaps because their "drug of choice" impairs judgement? Aside from the issue of "second-hand" smoke, tobbacco doesn't cause the user to put the lives of others at risk! (On the other hand, "driving under the influence.....") The drugs could be made legal but driving under their influence kept illegal - like alcohol. Also, to stretch a point, drivers who are distracted by fishing out and lighting up a cigarette could (and do) cause accidents. -- Hugs, CatNipped See all my masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/ |
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Monique Y. Mudama wrote: On 2006-03-20, William Hamblen penned: An employer can hire just about whomever he pleases. If he wants only nonsmokers he has the power to do so. Laws prevent unfair discrimination on the basis of race or sex and some other things, but smoking isn't one of them. According to my husband, who recently took management classes, it's also legal to decree that no men may wear beards. I assume that this would be legal unless it were attempted on a person who had to wear a beard for religious reasons. Yes, I can see where an orthodox Jew or a Sikh might have grounds for a class-action suit - but usually the scumbags who make such arbitrary rules don't offer jobs worth having, anyway! (Expecting an employee to maintain a neat appearance and dress appropriately to the job is one thing - to flatly say "no beards" or "no mini-skirts" is another!) |
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Pamela Shirk wrote: It was about that time that marijuana was made illegal, and LSD was thought to be a safe pastime. Pam, SFAIK marijuana has ALWAYS been illegal in the U.S.! (They even enforced it - a lot of jazz musicians regularly got "busted" for smoking it.) And FYI, LSD didn't even exist until well after WW2. (It came along just about the same time as the Beattles, IIRC - remember "Lucy in the Sky with Dianonds"?) |
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CatNipped wrote: "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message ... Fat Freddy wrote: "Those who smoke out of doors are hurting only themselves, and so far, that's still their right." Then why do not heroin, cocaine, or meth addicts have that same right? Perhaps because their "drug of choice" impairs judgement? Aside from the issue of "second-hand" smoke, tobbacco doesn't cause the user to put the lives of others at risk! (On the other hand, "driving under the influence.....") The drugs could be made legal but driving under their influence kept illegal - like alcohol. Also, to stretch a point, drivers who are distracted by fishing out and lighting up a cigarette could (and do) cause accidents. Not nearly so many as those do drivers distracted by their cell-phone conversations! |
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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message ... Pamela Shirk wrote: It was about that time that marijuana was made illegal, and LSD was thought to be a safe pastime. Pam, SFAIK marijuana has ALWAYS been illegal in the U.S.! (They even enforced it - a lot of jazz musicians regularly got "busted" for smoking it.) And FYI, LSD didn't even exist until well after WW2. (It came along just about the same time as the Beattles, IIRC - remember "Lucy in the Sky with Dianonds"?) Shussh you will tell all of our secrets of the past The colors man the colors Woaah is the room moving or is it me |
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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message ... CatNipped wrote: "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message ... Fat Freddy wrote: "Those who smoke out of doors are hurting only themselves, and so far, that's still their right." Then why do not heroin, cocaine, or meth addicts have that same right? Perhaps because their "drug of choice" impairs judgement? Aside from the issue of "second-hand" smoke, tobbacco doesn't cause the user to put the lives of others at risk! (On the other hand, "driving under the influence.....") The drugs could be made legal but driving under their influence kept illegal - like alcohol. Also, to stretch a point, drivers who are distracted by fishing out and lighting up a cigarette could (and do) cause accidents. Not nearly so many as those do drivers distracted by their cell-phone conversations! or eating Mcdonald's trying to put on their makeup or turned around and yelling at their kids |
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Matthew AKA NMR wrote:
I never understood why they had smoking and non smoking sections there was no solid divider I'm sure you've heard the joke that goes, "A non-smoking section in a restaurant is like a non-peeing section in a swimming pool." Joyce |
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Pamela Shirk wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... I wish I could remember the name of the corporation--it was on the news a couple years ago and I remember the story distinctly because I was pretty horrified. Employees had to have their blood tested for nicotine, and were given a three-strikes-and-you're-out ultimatum. Of course there was all the propoganda about wanting employees to be healthier and it was "for their own good." They were given all kinds of help to stop. But still, it creeped me out. My FIL, who was at Pearl Harbor, talks about how the Red Cross would ship cigarettes to the GI's. That's mind-boggling, too. :-) If you've ever seen early (black and white) Television programs from the fifties, Cigarettes were often touted as being healthy for you. They cleared your throat, helped you de-stress after a long day, etc. I used to find it funny, but am now horrified how people were propagandized into smoking. Back in WWII, testing was just started on the effects of smoking. It was about that time that marijuana was made illegal, and LSD was thought to be a safe pastime. Do you know that cocaine was only made illegal in the 30s, if I recall correctly. It was still used for medical purposes in the mid-70s. I was given some when I had a bunch of broken facial bones put back into place. There's a wholeeeeee story about that. Pam S. remembering Actually, after I had one of my cataract surgeries, one of the stitches worked out enough that it was painful. My opthalmologist (ofphtalmologist, heck with it - EYE DOCTOR) was licensed for topical cocaine and used it to deaden the eye while he pulled the offending stitch. This was '85 or so. -- Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe |
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote: Pamela Shirk wrote: It was about that time that marijuana was made illegal, and LSD was thought to be a safe pastime. Pam, SFAIK marijuana has ALWAYS been illegal in the U.S.! (They even enforced it - a lot of jazz musicians regularly got "busted" for smoking it.) And FYI, LSD didn't even exist until well after WW2. (It came along just about the same time as the Beattles, IIRC - remember "Lucy in the Sky with Dianonds"?) Veering *way* off topic, but "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" wasn't about LSD. :-) It was inspired by a drawing by Julian Lennon when he was a small child. Back on topic, I watched a movie, I believe it was a Stephen King vignette, called "Quitters." This thread is eerily reminding me of that movie! Ever seen it? Sherry |
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