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  #1061  
Old September 23rd 03, 06:19 PM
Liz
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Sorry, but the messenger kills it for me. Moore is another member of the Blame
America First crowd and I just think his personal conduct is despicable. I
won't be seeing any of his garbage, thank you.


IMO, it´s not a matter of blaming America. If you become aware of what
is wrong in your country you can work to make it better. It´s not
going to get any better if you just sit back and pretend it´s perfect.

"Don´t ask what your country can do for you but what *you* can do for
your country." JFK
  #1062  
Old September 23rd 03, 06:19 PM
Liz
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Sorry, but the messenger kills it for me. Moore is another member of the Blame
America First crowd and I just think his personal conduct is despicable. I
won't be seeing any of his garbage, thank you.


IMO, it´s not a matter of blaming America. If you become aware of what
is wrong in your country you can work to make it better. It´s not
going to get any better if you just sit back and pretend it´s perfect.

"Don´t ask what your country can do for you but what *you* can do for
your country." JFK
  #1063  
Old September 23rd 03, 07:56 PM
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Gaubster2 wrote:

Sorry, but the messenger kills it for me.


Ah, the last defense of someone who would rather remain with his head
buried deep in the sand than be proven wrong.

Moore is another member of the Blame
America First crowd


No, it's about taking responsibility for what America does.

and I just think his personal conduct is
despicable.


Which personal conduct is that? Catching people in lies? Umasking the
absurdity, greed and lies of government and corporations? Exposing the
ugly reality of the policies of this administration?

I won't be seeing any of his garbage,
thank you.


Then I guess you reallly don't have any business commenting on something
you know nothing about (not that that will stop you.) So much for your
promotion of openmindedness. Fortunately, there are people honest enough
to admit their assumptions were wrong:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...0mb-fu.aol.com

Megan



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray


  #1064  
Old September 23rd 03, 07:56 PM
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Gaubster2 wrote:

Sorry, but the messenger kills it for me.


Ah, the last defense of someone who would rather remain with his head
buried deep in the sand than be proven wrong.

Moore is another member of the Blame
America First crowd


No, it's about taking responsibility for what America does.

and I just think his personal conduct is
despicable.


Which personal conduct is that? Catching people in lies? Umasking the
absurdity, greed and lies of government and corporations? Exposing the
ugly reality of the policies of this administration?

I won't be seeing any of his garbage,
thank you.


Then I guess you reallly don't have any business commenting on something
you know nothing about (not that that will stop you.) So much for your
promotion of openmindedness. Fortunately, there are people honest enough
to admit their assumptions were wrong:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...0mb-fu.aol.com

Megan



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray


  #1065  
Old September 23rd 03, 07:56 PM
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Gaubster2 wrote:

Sorry, but the messenger kills it for me.


Ah, the last defense of someone who would rather remain with his head
buried deep in the sand than be proven wrong.

Moore is another member of the Blame
America First crowd


No, it's about taking responsibility for what America does.

and I just think his personal conduct is
despicable.


Which personal conduct is that? Catching people in lies? Umasking the
absurdity, greed and lies of government and corporations? Exposing the
ugly reality of the policies of this administration?

I won't be seeing any of his garbage,
thank you.


Then I guess you reallly don't have any business commenting on something
you know nothing about (not that that will stop you.) So much for your
promotion of openmindedness. Fortunately, there are people honest enough
to admit their assumptions were wrong:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...0mb-fu.aol.com

Megan



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray


  #1066  
Old September 23rd 03, 09:34 PM
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(Yngver) wrote:

If there are more guns per capita in Canada than in the U.S


Where do you get that figure?

US Bureau of Justice Statistics and Statistics Canada reveals that
the US has over three times the number of guns per capita as Canada;
the number of *handguns* per capita is 63.3 times higher.

Where did I get it? I didn't "get" that figure at all.

Sorry, that's what I remembered Moore saying in the movie, but possibly what he
said is that Canada has nearly as many guns per capita as the U.S. does (and
you will have to ask him where he got that figure because I don't
remember--it's been a while since I saw the movie).

Some reviews of the movie mention his point about guns being just as easily
available in Canada as in the U.S., yet the comparative rate of homicides using
guns in Canada is a fraction of what it is here. His question is why? What's
the difference? Some people (who haven't seen Bowling for Columbine) think the
film supports gun control, but that isn't what he's saying.

  #1067  
Old September 23rd 03, 09:34 PM
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(Yngver) wrote:

If there are more guns per capita in Canada than in the U.S


Where do you get that figure?

US Bureau of Justice Statistics and Statistics Canada reveals that
the US has over three times the number of guns per capita as Canada;
the number of *handguns* per capita is 63.3 times higher.

Where did I get it? I didn't "get" that figure at all.

Sorry, that's what I remembered Moore saying in the movie, but possibly what he
said is that Canada has nearly as many guns per capita as the U.S. does (and
you will have to ask him where he got that figure because I don't
remember--it's been a while since I saw the movie).

Some reviews of the movie mention his point about guns being just as easily
available in Canada as in the U.S., yet the comparative rate of homicides using
guns in Canada is a fraction of what it is here. His question is why? What's
the difference? Some people (who haven't seen Bowling for Columbine) think the
film supports gun control, but that isn't what he's saying.

  #1068  
Old September 23rd 03, 09:34 PM
Yngver
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(Yngver) wrote:

If there are more guns per capita in Canada than in the U.S


Where do you get that figure?

US Bureau of Justice Statistics and Statistics Canada reveals that
the US has over three times the number of guns per capita as Canada;
the number of *handguns* per capita is 63.3 times higher.

Where did I get it? I didn't "get" that figure at all.

Sorry, that's what I remembered Moore saying in the movie, but possibly what he
said is that Canada has nearly as many guns per capita as the U.S. does (and
you will have to ask him where he got that figure because I don't
remember--it's been a while since I saw the movie).

Some reviews of the movie mention his point about guns being just as easily
available in Canada as in the U.S., yet the comparative rate of homicides using
guns in Canada is a fraction of what it is here. His question is why? What's
the difference? Some people (who haven't seen Bowling for Columbine) think the
film supports gun control, but that isn't what he's saying.

  #1069  
Old September 23rd 03, 10:56 PM
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That's too bad, Chris. I think you could definitely benefit from this movie.

Sometimes being so close minded prohibits a person from learning.


Why do you think I would benefit from this movie? I'm simply not interested in
Michael Moore making any money off of me. If the message is so powerful and
important, why not just sum it up in 3 or 4 sentences?
  #1070  
Old September 23rd 03, 10:56 PM
GAUBSTER2
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That's too bad, Chris. I think you could definitely benefit from this movie.

Sometimes being so close minded prohibits a person from learning.


Why do you think I would benefit from this movie? I'm simply not interested in
Michael Moore making any money off of me. If the message is so powerful and
important, why not just sum it up in 3 or 4 sentences?
 




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