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I realize I'm coming in late on this thread, but what the hell. I
agree that including cat and dog meat in cat food is ethically questionable, but don't you realize what cats eat in the wild? They eat diseased flesh, guts, feathers, hair, anything and everything they can rip into small enough bits to get in their mouths. If you died in your house alone with your cats, they would eat YOU to survive. Cats aren't made like humans, and they don't need to be fed "human-grade" food. Now, that said, it does make sense to buy food that contains a high-quality protein source. If you read the label on most of the mainstream cat food, there is always a "by-product" of some kind, and that is where they sneak in the nasty stuff. If a "by-product" is in the first five ingredients of your cat food, it's probably not the best quality food to give your cat. Also, anything that is unspecified "meat" probably should be avoided (kangaroo meat? rat meat? who knows?) However, forcing cat food companies to supply "human grade" food for cats causes more feed animals to be slaughtered and more usable parts to be wasted (who's gonna eat those cow guts from all your hamburgers, huh?), the price of cat food goes up, your cats aren't any healthier, nobody wins. Just my $0.02. M9 (kate) wrote in message . com... I just read a book called "Food Pets Die For" and it is horrifying!!! This woman did an extensive study about the ingredients which go into cat and dog food. Almost all of the major brands include euthanized cats and dogs in their formula, as well as all of the spoiled and diseased parts of animals which are not fit for human consumption. In some cases, the protein ingredients in cat food are actually heat treated feathers and hair, and sometimes heat treated fecal matter. There is even road kill in some cat food. Some brands, including Iams, Eukanuba, and Science Diet, fund cruel animal experiments on cats and dogs at universities. They give to good causes as well, but, wow... Some of the pet food companies which have healthier ingredients are Petguard, Natura, and some others (cant remember) |
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I realize I'm coming in late on this thread, but what the hell. I
agree that including cat and dog meat in cat food is ethically questionable, but don't you realize what cats eat in the wild? They eat diseased flesh, guts, feathers, hair, anything and everything they can rip into small enough bits to get in their mouths. If you died in your house alone with your cats, they would eat YOU to survive. Cats aren't made like humans, and they don't need to be fed "human-grade" food. Now, that said, it does make sense to buy food that contains a high-quality protein source. If you read the label on most of the mainstream cat food, there is always a "by-product" of some kind, and that is where they sneak in the nasty stuff. If a "by-product" is in the first five ingredients of your cat food, it's probably not the best quality food to give your cat. Also, anything that is unspecified "meat" probably should be avoided (kangaroo meat? rat meat? who knows?) However, forcing cat food companies to supply "human grade" food for cats causes more feed animals to be slaughtered and more usable parts to be wasted (who's gonna eat those cow guts from all your hamburgers, huh?), the price of cat food goes up, your cats aren't any healthier, nobody wins. Just my $0.02. M9 (kate) wrote in message . com... I just read a book called "Food Pets Die For" and it is horrifying!!! This woman did an extensive study about the ingredients which go into cat and dog food. Almost all of the major brands include euthanized cats and dogs in their formula, as well as all of the spoiled and diseased parts of animals which are not fit for human consumption. In some cases, the protein ingredients in cat food are actually heat treated feathers and hair, and sometimes heat treated fecal matter. There is even road kill in some cat food. Some brands, including Iams, Eukanuba, and Science Diet, fund cruel animal experiments on cats and dogs at universities. They give to good causes as well, but, wow... Some of the pet food companies which have healthier ingredients are Petguard, Natura, and some others (cant remember) |
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I didn't catch this. When/where did it happen? I've looked but can't find
anything about it on the internet. Would like to read about it if I can. Thanks, Purplecat Me, too, Purplecat. I've never heard about the overturned pet food truck, and would like to read the article. sherry It probably never happened. I suspect that it was made up. Wouldn't have proven anything even if it did happen. There are too many people out there just waiting to be offended or scared these days. http://www.rutlandherald.com/News/Story/69869.html Enjoy! -Alison in OH Nice try, Alison--but there is nothing in there that has anything to do w/ that truck going to a pet food facility. Besides, this only "happened" a couple of days ago. The incident in question is part of an urban legend that supposedly took place months/years/decades (take your pick) ago. |
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I didn't catch this. When/where did it happen? I've looked but can't find
anything about it on the internet. Would like to read about it if I can. Thanks, Purplecat Me, too, Purplecat. I've never heard about the overturned pet food truck, and would like to read the article. sherry It probably never happened. I suspect that it was made up. Wouldn't have proven anything even if it did happen. There are too many people out there just waiting to be offended or scared these days. http://www.rutlandherald.com/News/Story/69869.html Enjoy! -Alison in OH Nice try, Alison--but there is nothing in there that has anything to do w/ that truck going to a pet food facility. Besides, this only "happened" a couple of days ago. The incident in question is part of an urban legend that supposedly took place months/years/decades (take your pick) ago. |
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From: "Betsy" -0
You work for Hills? Then you should clearly state that in each and every post you initiate or reply to regarding pet food. If you cannot do that, you have no credibility in my book. Anything less is tantamount to deception. Why don't we expect FULL DISCLOSURE from you on every post you make?? Steve has stated in the past that the posts he makes are his opinion and only his opinion and doesn't claim to speak on behalf of Hill's. Why are you trying to discredit him? If you can disprove anything he ever says, then you have something to gripe about. |
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From: "Betsy" -0
You work for Hills? Then you should clearly state that in each and every post you initiate or reply to regarding pet food. If you cannot do that, you have no credibility in my book. Anything less is tantamount to deception. Why don't we expect FULL DISCLOSURE from you on every post you make?? Steve has stated in the past that the posts he makes are his opinion and only his opinion and doesn't claim to speak on behalf of Hill's. Why are you trying to discredit him? If you can disprove anything he ever says, then you have something to gripe about. |
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You are extraordinarily naive. And either you can't read or you are in
total denial. First, here's the first bit of the article in question, in which you could find no reference to a pet food factory: "Carcasses are spilled on Route 7 August 8, 2003 By BRENT CURTIS Herald Staff A truck carrying cattle carcasses to a dog food factory [clipped]" Second: If you think that someone who works for a particular firm is totally free to express his own opinion, you've never worked in the real world. I teach music, and am currently teaching in a studio located in a piano store. I have done this in competitors stores for the past 25 years. The salespeople from these stores don't stay long in any particular employ. So it is not at all uncommon to see Joe Schmoe singing the highlights of Steinways one day and trashing the competitor, and working for the competitor the next day and trashing the Steinway. I can give you names and firms, but I won't because I'd be in trouble. I have no obligation to sell the pianos in those stores, nor would I allow myself to be obligated in that way, as I consider it a conflict of interest. However, recently I told one of my students where they might get a cheaper used piano (rather than buy it at the store wherein I teach). Even though it is contractually stated that I don't need to sell their pianos, there was a huge brouhaha during which not only I but the other teachers in the resident music school were almost booted out because of my "indiscretion" and "lack of support". Don't ever think that you can work for a firm and NOT tout it's products publicly and still stay employed by that firm. That is why you should also not believe any research funded by industry. DUH! "GAUBSTER2" wrote in message ... From: "Betsy" -0 You work for Hills? Then you should clearly state that in each and every post you initiate or reply to regarding pet food. If you cannot do that, you have no credibility in my book. Anything less is tantamount to deception. Why don't we expect FULL DISCLOSURE from you on every post you make?? Steve has stated in the past that the posts he makes are his opinion and only his opinion and doesn't claim to speak on behalf of Hill's. Why are you trying to discredit him? If you can disprove anything he ever says, then you have something to gripe about. |
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You are extraordinarily naive. And either you can't read or you are in
total denial. First, here's the first bit of the article in question, in which you could find no reference to a pet food factory: "Carcasses are spilled on Route 7 August 8, 2003 By BRENT CURTIS Herald Staff A truck carrying cattle carcasses to a dog food factory [clipped]" Second: If you think that someone who works for a particular firm is totally free to express his own opinion, you've never worked in the real world. I teach music, and am currently teaching in a studio located in a piano store. I have done this in competitors stores for the past 25 years. The salespeople from these stores don't stay long in any particular employ. So it is not at all uncommon to see Joe Schmoe singing the highlights of Steinways one day and trashing the competitor, and working for the competitor the next day and trashing the Steinway. I can give you names and firms, but I won't because I'd be in trouble. I have no obligation to sell the pianos in those stores, nor would I allow myself to be obligated in that way, as I consider it a conflict of interest. However, recently I told one of my students where they might get a cheaper used piano (rather than buy it at the store wherein I teach). Even though it is contractually stated that I don't need to sell their pianos, there was a huge brouhaha during which not only I but the other teachers in the resident music school were almost booted out because of my "indiscretion" and "lack of support". Don't ever think that you can work for a firm and NOT tout it's products publicly and still stay employed by that firm. That is why you should also not believe any research funded by industry. DUH! "GAUBSTER2" wrote in message ... From: "Betsy" -0 You work for Hills? Then you should clearly state that in each and every post you initiate or reply to regarding pet food. If you cannot do that, you have no credibility in my book. Anything less is tantamount to deception. Why don't we expect FULL DISCLOSURE from you on every post you make?? Steve has stated in the past that the posts he makes are his opinion and only his opinion and doesn't claim to speak on behalf of Hill's. Why are you trying to discredit him? If you can disprove anything he ever says, then you have something to gripe about. |
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(GAUBSTER2) wrote: I didn't catch this. When/where did it happen? I've looked but can't find anything about it on the internet. Would like to read about it if I can. Thanks, Purplecat Me, too, Purplecat. I've never heard about the overturned pet food truck, and would like to read the article. sherry It probably never happened. I suspect that it was made up. Wouldn't have proven anything even if it did happen. There are too many people out there just waiting to be offended or scared these days. http://www.rutlandherald.com/News/Story/69869.html Enjoy! -Alison in OH Nice try, Alison--but there is nothing in there that has anything to do w/ that truck going to a pet food facility. Besides, this only "happened" a couple of days ago. The incident in question is part of an urban legend that supposedly took place months/years/decades (take your pick) ago. Someone beat me to the punch but I'd be happy to quote the same passage. "A truck carrying cattle carcasses to a dog food factory ... " I do believe that you stated "Diseased parts aren't used" and "These things DON'T happen in the US." A poster responded "You obviously didn't catch the news story about the truck that overturned on the way to the pet food factory." I don't get the feeling that this incident, the one in question, is part of an urban legend taking place decades ago. Your response to this? "It probably never happened. I suspect that it was made up." Nope, not made up. Nasty, putrid, dead, diseased, and decaying meat products are really and truly disposed of in our precious companion pets' digestive systems. Some of us trust Hill's when they claim not to use the loopholes in ingredient definitions for things like "by-products". Still others would prefer to trust smaller companies that grow based on a solid reputation of promoting health, and believe them when they say that the ingredients they use are wholesome enough for you and me to eat. And yet others, jaded and disillusioned, have discovered that perhaps the best way to ensure the quality of their pets' food is to pick it out in the grocery store themselves. -Alison in OH |
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