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GAUBSTER2 composed with style: From: "Betsy" -0 Date: 8/16/03 11:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: I could easily counter with the same. Show me where the "truck on the way to the pet food company" had dead dogs and cats in it. There still hasn't been anything shown to validate this urban legend. The truck that was reported had cattle (beef) in it, not dogs and cats. FFS. The part she was clearly referring to from your own post was this (in case you don't remember, your reply was that diseased parts aren't used, not that the truck had dead dogs and cats on it): copy and paste from Message-ID: I am not an unreasonable person, but the concept of a diseased animal, a cow with mad cow disease, etc, being fed to my cat, does concern me. Diseased parts aren't used. That's just more spin that sells books (and whatever else). As for mad cow, that's being watched VERRRRY closely. So, it is being enforced. end c&p |
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The report is simply wrong. Dogs and cats can be used in bone meal for fertilizer. They are not used in pet foods. Since you don't believe me, why don't you provide some names of companies that DO use dead cats and dogs in their pet food. If you want to learn the facts and not the scare tactics, then go to www.fsis.usda.gov and do a search under "pet foods". Or look at Book 9 of CFR (Codified Federal Regulations), part 355. Please provide a link. I went to the web site you showed and searched "pet foods" and found nothing about whether dogs and cats were used in pet food. I searched under "dog AND cat" and found 2 documents, both about staph infections. So please give us a link. Recently, the USDA did a study (in 2000, I think) looking for the presence of DNA and other substances and found ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that would suggest that dogs and cats are in being used in pet foods. Please provide a link. * * * Stacia * * The Avocado Avenger (dec'd) "I currently have 236 wieners in my freezers." |
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I've provided sources so that you can look them up if so desired. More backpedaling. I'm not backpedaling, nice try though. If you look it up and find it on your own, then you are more likely to believe it than to take my word for it. But if you don't want to take the time to search for the truth, then you must not want to know that bad. It is a waste of time for me to look up a law that does not exist (except in your mind) nor should I be shouldered with the responsibility of backing up *your* claim. I'm not asking you to back me up. I'm trying to persuade you to take the time to find out on your own. There's a difference. I'm not sending you on a wild goose chase. I already did. From the source I provided: *But the Food and Drug Administration, which oversees pet food ingredients, allows dead dogs and cats in pet food, saying disease or the drugs used to sedate the animals dissipates through cooking. "Well, we don't believe it's going to cause problems for the animals. If we did, we would not allow it to happen," Aird says.* You and I both know that quotes are taken out of context quite frequently by the media (Jason Blair anyone?) You're hanging your hat on that, fine. But I'm telling you that if you look it up AND take into account that the USDA did testing, looking for the presence of dogs and cats in petfood, they DIDN'T FIND ANY EVIDENCE OF SUCH A THING. You're conviently ignoring that, so I don't know what your agenda is. You've done it twice now and are going out of your way to avoid having to back up your claim that it is illegal to use dogs and cats in pet food. I'm providing references, so you can discover for yourself. Try calling your state AAFCO official as well. If the flagrant violation of law is so pervasive and widespread it won't be a problem to show me where it is happening. You're totalling ignoring the FDA study, btw. I have not once discussed whether using cats and dogs in pet food is a widespread practice and the FDA study has nothing to do with the point I am making. Yes is does. THERE HAS BEEN NO EVIDENCE, JUST ALLEGATIONS THAT DOGS AND CATS ARE IN PET FOOD. Contrary to the claim you have made yet refuse to back up, there is no federal law prohibiting the use of dogs and cats in pet food. What kind of "proof" are you looking for? I don't have the CFR on my desk or anything like that. |
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Gaubster2 Wrote:
I've provided sources so that you can look them up if so desired. More backpedaling. I'm not backpedaling, nice try though. If you look it up and find it on your own, then you are more likely to believe it than to take my word for it. But if you don't want to take the time to search for the truth, then you must not want to know that bad. It is a waste of time for me to look up a law that does not exist (except in your mind) nor should I be shouldered with the responsibility of backing up *your* claim. I'm not asking you to back me up. I'm trying to persuade you to take the time to find out on your own. There's a difference. I'm not sending you on a wild goose chase. I already did. From the source I provided: *But the Food and Drug Administration, which oversees pet food ingredients, allows dead dogs and cats in pet food, saying disease or the drugs used to sedate the animals dissipates through cooking. "Well, we don't believe it's going to cause problems for the animals. If we did, we would not allow it to happen," Aird says.* You and I both know that quotes are taken out of context quite frequently by the media (Jason Blair anyone?) You're hanging your hat on that, fine. But I'm telling you that if you look it up AND take into account that the USDA did testing, looking for the presence of dogs and cats in petfood, they DIDN'T FIND ANY EVIDENCE OF SUCH A THING. You're conviently ignoring that, so I don't know what your agenda is. You've done it twice now and are going out of your way to avoid having to back up your claim that it is illegal to use dogs and cats in pet food. I'm providing references, so you can discover for yourself. Try calling your state AAFCO official as well. If the flagrant violation of law is so pervasive and widespread it won't be a problem to show me where it is happening. You're totalling ignoring the FDA study, btw. I have not once discussed whether using cats and dogs in pet food is a widespread practice and the FDA study has nothing to do with the point I am making. Yes is does. THERE HAS BEEN NO EVIDENCE, JUST ALLEGATIONS THAT DOGS AND CATS ARE IN PET FOOD. Contrary to the claim you have made yet refuse to back up, there is no federal law prohibiting the use of dogs and cats in pet food. What kind of "proof" are you looking for? I don't have the CFR on my desk or anything like that. |
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The part she was clearly referring to from your own post was
this (in case you don't remember, your reply was that diseased parts aren't used, not that the truck had dead dogs and cats on it): IIRC, one of the original posts concerned a "truck w/ dead dogs and cats on the way to the local pet food factory". I am simply challenging that because it has never been proven, yet it is taken as fact. |
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The part she was clearly referring to from your own post was
this (in case you don't remember, your reply was that diseased parts aren't used, not that the truck had dead dogs and cats on it): IIRC, one of the original posts concerned a "truck w/ dead dogs and cats on the way to the local pet food factory". I am simply challenging that because it has never been proven, yet it is taken as fact. |
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"Cheryl" wrote in message ... In , GAUBSTER2 composed with style: The part she was clearly referring to from your own post was this (in case you don't remember, your reply was that diseased parts aren't used, not that the truck had dead dogs and cats on it): IIRC, one of the original posts concerned a "truck w/ dead dogs and cats on the way to the local pet food factory". I am simply challenging that because it has never been proven, yet it is taken as fact. No, you're very wrong. I think you're arguing too many points at the same time and losing track of which one your reading. Please do try to keep up. My tiny 2 cents: I've been sort of following this thread, & IIRC, *originally* the argument was over whether or not dead pets are used in pet food production. Then a link to a newspaper article was posted about cattle carcasses spilling from a truck on its way to a(n un-named) pet food factory, then the argument seemed to morph into whether or not diseased animal parts are used in pets foods... at any rate, the whole thread & its arguments became murky, IMO. Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon |
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"Cheryl" wrote in message ... In , GAUBSTER2 composed with style: The part she was clearly referring to from your own post was this (in case you don't remember, your reply was that diseased parts aren't used, not that the truck had dead dogs and cats on it): IIRC, one of the original posts concerned a "truck w/ dead dogs and cats on the way to the local pet food factory". I am simply challenging that because it has never been proven, yet it is taken as fact. No, you're very wrong. I think you're arguing too many points at the same time and losing track of which one your reading. Please do try to keep up. My tiny 2 cents: I've been sort of following this thread, & IIRC, *originally* the argument was over whether or not dead pets are used in pet food production. Then a link to a newspaper article was posted about cattle carcasses spilling from a truck on its way to a(n un-named) pet food factory, then the argument seemed to morph into whether or not diseased animal parts are used in pets foods... at any rate, the whole thread & its arguments became murky, IMO. Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon |
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I think you're arguing too many points at the
same time and losing track of which one your reading. Please do try to keep up. Cheryl, unless you can provide information in support or against the mulitple arguments on this thread I am making, your critiques aren't very helpful. The points remains the same--allegations are being made that dogs and cats are used in pet foods and yet nobody can point to one single example where this is the case. I'm just trying to make the point that there is nothing to worry about since that practice is illegal anyway. The allegations w/ no truth to them whatsoever aren't challenged by anyone else (but me) and yet I'm the one who has to "provide" evidence that something that isn't taking place, well, isn't taking place. Go figure. I'm not trying to scare anyone, I have no agenda, and yet I'm somehow getting questioned? Sheesh. All one has to do is call the company that makes your particular food and ask them if they use dead dogs and cats in their food. Once you find out that they don't, you can rest easy (or maybe not if you like to be paranoid). It's quite simple, really. |
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