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Trap, Neuter, and Release: Bad for Cats, Disaster for Birds (HD)
"Phil P." wrote Hey! Look at the upside- Cats are improving the avian species by removing slow and stupid birds from the gene pool. lol! heh |
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Trap, Neuter, and Release: Bad for Cats, Disaster for Birds (HD)
On Aug 16, 1:35*am, "Phil P." wrote:
"chatnoir" wrote in message ... On Aug 15, 9:49 pm, "Phil P." wrote: "chatnoir" wrote in message .... http://www.youtube.com/abcbirds Pure bull****. The entire video is based on fraudulent and manipulated "studies" by Temple & Coleman. Temple & Coleman were interviewed in 1994 and asked to substantiate their figures. When cornered, they admitted " "Those figures were from our proposal. They aren't actual data; that was just our projection to show how bad it might be." IOW, their estimates of cat kill were nothing more than guesses. Yet the bird groups- especially ABC, cite these quacks' papers as though they were scientific studies that have undergone the peer-review process- which they have not. What's even more ridiculous, is that practically all the "studies" Temple & Coleman's cite in their bull**** "papers" are their *own* guesstimated "studies". That's exactly the same as using yourself as a reference! But that doesn't bother the bird groups as long as the papers say what they want them to say. Here are a couple of good reads that pick Temple & Coleman's "studies" apart: http://www.straypetadvocacy.org/html...sin_study.html http://www.straypetadvocacy.org/html..._reviewed.html headline: Cats and wildlife - how you can protect both LW0025 Stephen Platt, August 1999 Where is your cat at the moment? News flash: We're talking about *feral* cats, Einstein- not pet cats.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Seems they would be worse! |
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Trap, Neuter, and Release: Bad for Cats, Disaster for Birds (HD)
On Aug 16, 1:35*am, "Phil P." wrote:
"chatnoir" wrote in message ... On Aug 15, 9:49 pm, "Phil P." wrote: "chatnoir" wrote in message .... http://www.youtube.com/abcbirds Pure bull****. The entire video is based on fraudulent and manipulated "studies" by Temple & Coleman. Temple & Coleman were interviewed in 1994 and asked to substantiate their figures. When cornered, they admitted " "Those figures were from our proposal. They aren't actual data; that was just our projection to show how bad it might be." IOW, their estimates of cat kill were nothing more than guesses. Yet the bird groups- especially ABC, cite these quacks' papers as though they were scientific studies that have undergone the peer-review process- which they have not. What's even more ridiculous, is that practically all the "studies" Temple & Coleman's cite in their bull**** "papers" are their *own* guesstimated "studies". That's exactly the same as using yourself as a reference! But that doesn't bother the bird groups as long as the papers say what they want them to say. Here are a couple of good reads that pick Temple & Coleman's "studies" apart: http://www.straypetadvocacy.org/html...sin_study.html http://www.straypetadvocacy.org/html..._reviewed.html There are other studies from sources non-biased such as the Spray Pet Advocay, that indicates bird predation by cats is serious!: http://www.geocities.com/the_srco/Article.html DOMESTIC CAT (Felis catus ) PREDATION OF BIRDS IN AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT That's not a scientic, peer-reviewed study, Einstein- its just a paper. *The author used 3 of Temple & Coleman's bull**** papers for their guesstimated guesstimates of statistics. The authors have no credibility. Hey! Look at the upside- Cats are improving the avian species by removing slow and stupid birds from the gene pool. lol!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That is a stupid statement! Your use of Einstein shows your mentality and your sources are hardly unbiased! |
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Trap, Neuter, and Release: Bad for Cats, Disaster for Birds (HD)
"jmc" wrote in message ... Suddenly, without warning, cybercat exclaimed (8/15/2009 2:43 PM): "jmc" wrote in message ... Suddenly, without warning, cybercat exclaimed (8/15/2009 1:59 AM): "chatnoir" wrote in message ... http://www.youtube.com/abcbirds So what is the answer? Sadly, the only answer currently is humane euthanasia for unadoptable individuals. It is a hard decision, but shelters are so very overloaded, I think it's the only humane thing we can do until the human population can be better educated to spay, neuter, and not breed cats indiscriminately. I know this is an unpopular thought, and I hate the necessity, but there truly isn't anything else that can be done currently. Euthanize rather than TNR? Not even. Actually, along with. Euthanasia, Its not euthanasia- its killing. Euthanasia is ending the life of a suffering animal. I think, is probably a better death than dying of old age and/or sickness in an overpopulated colony. What's a better than dying of old age??? That's how I want to go! I think you need to do a lot more research because you're clearly misinformed. Feral cats in well managed colonies live long, healthy and happy lives. Look how much the cats in my colony are suffering..... http://maxshouse.com/on_the_prowl.htm I know it's not a popular opinion. I hate that it's necessary, but I'm a realist. A realist, huh? You're suggesting killing 100 million feral cats. |
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Trap, Neuter, and Release: Bad for Cats, Disaster for Birds (HD)
"chatnoir" wrote in message ... On Aug 16, 1:35 am, "Phil P." wrote: "chatnoir" wrote in message ... On Aug 15, 9:49 pm, "Phil P." wrote: "chatnoir" wrote in message ... http://www.youtube.com/abcbirds Pure bull****. The entire video is based on fraudulent and manipulated "studies" by Temple & Coleman. Temple & Coleman were interviewed in 1994 and asked to substantiate their figures. When cornered, they admitted " "Those figures were from our proposal. They aren't actual data; that was just our projection to show how bad it might be." IOW, their estimates of cat kill were nothing more than guesses. Yet the bird groups- especially ABC, cite these quacks' papers as though they were scientific studies that have undergone the peer-review process- which they have not. What's even more ridiculous, is that practically all the "studies" Temple & Coleman's cite in their bull**** "papers" are their *own* guesstimated "studies". That's exactly the same as using yourself as a reference! But that doesn't bother the bird groups as long as the papers say what they want them to say. Here are a couple of good reads that pick Temple & Coleman's "studies" apart: http://www.straypetadvocacy.org/html...sin_study.html http://www.straypetadvocacy.org/html..._reviewed.html There are other studies from sources non-biased such as the Spray Pet Advocay, that indicates bird predation by cats is serious!: http://www.geocities.com/the_srco/Article.html DOMESTIC CAT (Felis catus ) PREDATION OF BIRDS IN AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT That's not a scientic, peer-reviewed study, Einstein- its just a paper. The author used 3 of Temple & Coleman's bull**** papers for their guesstimated guesstimates of statistics. The authors have no credibility. Hey! Look at the upside- Cats are improving the avian species by removing slow and stupid birds from the gene pool. lol!- Hide quoted text - That is a stupid statement! One stupid statement deserves another, eh Einstein? Your use of Einstein shows your mentality Actually, my use of "Einstein" was sarcastic and referred to your mentality or more precisely, lack thereof. and your sources are hardly unbiased! At least the author of the paper I cited didn't cite her own bull**** papers as references. That must have escaped your lightening quick perception, eh Einstein? |
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Trap, Neuter, and Release: Bad for Cats, Disaster for Birds (HD)
"chatnoir" wrote in message ... On Aug 16, 1:35 am, "Phil P." wrote: "chatnoir" wrote in message ... On Aug 15, 9:49 pm, "Phil P." wrote: "chatnoir" wrote in message ... http://www.youtube.com/abcbirds Pure bull****. The entire video is based on fraudulent and manipulated "studies" by Temple & Coleman. Temple & Coleman were interviewed in 1994 and asked to substantiate their figures. When cornered, they admitted " "Those figures were from our proposal. They aren't actual data; that was just our projection to show how bad it might be." IOW, their estimates of cat kill were nothing more than guesses. Yet the bird groups- especially ABC, cite these quacks' papers as though they were scientific studies that have undergone the peer-review process- which they have not. What's even more ridiculous, is that practically all the "studies" Temple & Coleman's cite in their bull**** "papers" are their *own* guesstimated "studies". That's exactly the same as using yourself as a reference! But that doesn't bother the bird groups as long as the papers say what they want them to say. Here are a couple of good reads that pick Temple & Coleman's "studies" apart: http://www.straypetadvocacy.org/html...sin_study.html http://www.straypetadvocacy.org/html..._reviewed.html headline: Cats and wildlife - how you can protect both LW0025 Stephen Platt, August 1999 Where is your cat at the moment? News flash: We're talking about *feral* cats, Einstein- not pet cats.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Seems they would be worse! No, Einstein,- ferals are usually much better hunters than pet cats. g Have you ever seen a cat leap 6 feet straight up and catch a bird in mid air? I have. It was absolutely magnificent! Since birdseed is cheaper than cat food, I've been thinking about spreading birdseed around my colonies instead of putting out cat food. Not only would I save a fortune, but the cats would have some entertainment with their dinner and they'd also get some exercise to boot.. |
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Trap, Neuter, and Release: Bad for Cats, Disaster for Birds (HD)
On Aug 16, 8:52*am, "Phil P." wrote:
"jmc" wrote: Actually, along with. *Euthanasia, Its not euthanasia- its killing. Euthanasia is ending the life of a suffering animal. Thanks for the reminder of the word meaning. Abortion is killing too, I hope you agree. A cat inside the womb is just as deserving of life and a home as a cat outside the womb. |
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Trap, Neuter, and Release: Bad for Cats, Disaster for Birds (HD)
On Aug 16, 8:52*am, "Phil P." wrote:
... Look how much the cats in my colony are suffering..... http://maxshouse.com/on_the_prowl.htm Very interesting looking. If you have described your colony before, here or elsewhere, please post a link. I'm curious about the boundary. How do you keep the colony cats in and the unspayed/unneutered cats out? Also, the picture looks like an ordinary neighborhood street. Are there human neighbors living within this colony? |
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Trap, Neuter, and Release: Bad for Cats, Disaster for Birds (HD)
Sun, 16 Aug 2009 12:52:26 GMT from Phil P. :
Its not euthanasia- its killing. Euthanasia is ending the life of a suffering animal. And you think they're not suffering in a crowded kennel with other animals, some of them sick and all of them anxious and upset? Do you think a battery chicken is better off continuing that life or being given a painless death? As jmc said, it's not a good alternative but it's also not necessarily the worst. The SPCA in Tompkins County is a no-kill shelter, but even their resources are strained to the limit. I can't imagine what conditions must be like in an urban shelter. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com Shikata ga nai... |
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Trap, Neuter, and Release: Bad for Cats, Disaster for Birds (HD)
"Stan Brown" wrote in message t... Sun, 16 Aug 2009 12:52:26 GMT from Phil P. : Its not euthanasia- its killing. Euthanasia is ending the life of a suffering animal. And you think they're not suffering in a crowded kennel with other animals, some of them sick and all of them anxious and upset? Do you think a battery chicken is better off continuing that life or being given a painless death? As jmc said, it's not a good alternative but it's also not necessarily the worst. The SPCA in Tompkins County is a no-kill shelter, but even their resources are strained to the limit. I can't imagine what conditions must be like in an urban shelter. The topis is TNR, Stan. This stupid bitch is saying this needs to stop and the cats must be killed to save the birds. Do you agree with that? |
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