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In , "Sharon"
wrote: | If you go and look you will see that declawing at our practice is not | even close to a regular procedure and only a last resort procedure. This is the standard, I dare say AVMA-style "official", copout from vets all over North America - the only area in the world where this cruel and barbaric practice is condoned. I hear that the CVMA is going to take this line in the California AB 395 hearings - that declawing is a minor, almost insignificant part of their practices, a last resort only under duress, yada yada yada. Okay. Why not offer numbers? How many cats does your practice declaw, as a percentage of total cats treated, every year? And do you think your numbers are representative, typical of vets in your area or your state or across the US? Would you care to offer an estimate anyway? | Easy income? Hardly. I beg your pardon? It's money for something that need not be done at all. Gravy. | As in other countries, vets will have to Just Say No. It boils down | to attitudes in society at large. | | And sometimes in a very few cases it needs to be an option. VERY FEW CASES. Like what? Vets in other countries have no trouble saying "no cases". You might want to think who is suffering the ethical deficiency, vets in the rest of the world, or vets in North America. Because it *does* boil down to ethics and attitudes. | I understand your views and I sympathize. I don't think you do. That is, I doubt that you sympathize with my view that vets who declaw are morally deficient, if not defective. | But a blind attack on my character is uncalled for. I read the thread in alt.med.veterinary. The issue isn't your character. It's what you're trying to evade. |
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Okay. Why not offer numbers? How many cats does your practice declaw,
as a percentage of total cats treated, every year? I don't know! I don' travel home with those statistics on a daily basis. All I can tell you, and you have to trust me on this, is that very few cats are declawed at our practice each year. I've gone over this already and shouldn't have to do it again. And do you think your numbers are representative, typical of vets in your area or your state or across the US? Absolutely not. I know practices who do no declaws, and some that do it routinely. Would you care to offer an estimate anyway? Getting those figures is more complicated than I can explain here from home. | Easy income? Hardly. I beg your pardon? It's money for something that need not be done at all. Gravy. The few that we do give us no reasonable profit at all. Like what? I gave one very recent cse on the other thread on the other newsgroup you said you read. Vets in other countries have no trouble saying "no cases". You might want to think who is suffering the ethical deficiency, vets in the rest of the world, or vets in North America. Because it *does* boil down to ethics and attitudes. We say no every single day. | I understand your views and I sympathize. I don't think you do. That is, I doubt that you sympathize with my view that vets who declaw are morally deficient, if not defective. Forget it. You canot even stand to think that there are some cses that exist outside your scope. Forget the fact that I have agreed over and over in general, just that there can be exceptions. We'll never change each other's minds. | But a blind attack on my character is uncalled for. I read the thread in alt.med.veterinary. The issue isn't your character. It's what you're trying to evade. I am evading nothing. |
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Okay. Why not offer numbers? How many cats does your practice declaw,
as a percentage of total cats treated, every year? I don't know! I don' travel home with those statistics on a daily basis. All I can tell you, and you have to trust me on this, is that very few cats are declawed at our practice each year. I've gone over this already and shouldn't have to do it again. And do you think your numbers are representative, typical of vets in your area or your state or across the US? Absolutely not. I know practices who do no declaws, and some that do it routinely. Would you care to offer an estimate anyway? Getting those figures is more complicated than I can explain here from home. | Easy income? Hardly. I beg your pardon? It's money for something that need not be done at all. Gravy. The few that we do give us no reasonable profit at all. Like what? I gave one very recent cse on the other thread on the other newsgroup you said you read. Vets in other countries have no trouble saying "no cases". You might want to think who is suffering the ethical deficiency, vets in the rest of the world, or vets in North America. Because it *does* boil down to ethics and attitudes. We say no every single day. | I understand your views and I sympathize. I don't think you do. That is, I doubt that you sympathize with my view that vets who declaw are morally deficient, if not defective. Forget it. You canot even stand to think that there are some cses that exist outside your scope. Forget the fact that I have agreed over and over in general, just that there can be exceptions. We'll never change each other's minds. | But a blind attack on my character is uncalled for. I read the thread in alt.med.veterinary. The issue isn't your character. It's what you're trying to evade. I am evading nothing. |
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in article , Sharon at
wrote on 8/8/03 11:19 PM: *snort* she'd just pooh pooh it away like everything else, ask for proof, then ignore the proof even though she read that that proof was tainted. Tainted proof? Extrapolate the data any way you want to fit your agenda, just don't speak for me. I never pooh poohed anything. It seems as though you have labeled me as something I am not. -Sharon Well you certainly *never* posted, despite repeated requests to post just what it was you read in the full articles on declaw complications that negated the percentages. Karen |
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Sharon, ignore my post directed at year and deflect to the others. I
misread your "inflections" and as usual expected an attack upon me personally rather than the issue. They're good at that. No problem. Married to a vet and practice manager of our hospital, I'm not new to these topics, just to these newsgroups. I tried...... but I could say white and they would say... ya know ;-) -Sharon |
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Sharon, ignore my post directed at year and deflect to the others. I
misread your "inflections" and as usual expected an attack upon me personally rather than the issue. They're good at that. No problem. Married to a vet and practice manager of our hospital, I'm not new to these topics, just to these newsgroups. I tried...... but I could say white and they would say... ya know ;-) -Sharon |
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It's an intricate
operation that requires time, detail, a host of equipment and supplies. I'd be surprised that many break even on that one. It's the insinuation that vets are in it for the money that gets me. I wish. Can't even begin to tell you how much we have given away in products and services. House calls on lunch half hours, calls all night. It certainly isn't about the money, that's for ssure. At least not in our house. Ask my kids. -Sharon |
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