What's the deal with Hill's m/d?

Adkin's diet for cats? Steve, you elluded to this. Now that the cat
is out of the bag, do you feel like sharing? What is the protein
source?

Karen Chuplis wrote:
in article , Cheryl at
wrote on 7/31/03 5:57 PM:

Adkin's diet for cats? Steve, you elluded to this. Now that the
cat
is out of the bag, do you feel like sharing? What is the
protein
source?

I saw a poster up for it at my vets just a few minutes ago. High
protien, low carbs for weight loss. I imagine it would be good for
other things too.

Karen

I did a search on the net and can't find anything yet. I'm looking for
something without grain and it seems an adkin's type diet might be
just that. They don't like any of the Hill's canned foods even though
the dry foods all went over very well. It might be tough switching
them. I'm looking for new options.

Karen Chuplis wrote:
in article , Cheryl at
wrote on 7/31/03 5:57 PM:

Adkin's diet for cats? Steve, you elluded to this. Now that the
cat
is out of the bag, do you feel like sharing? What is the
protein
source?

I saw a poster up for it at my vets just a few minutes ago. High
protien, low carbs for weight loss. I imagine it would be good for
other things too.

Karen

I did a search on the net and can't find anything yet. I'm looking for
something without grain and it seems an adkin's type diet might be
just that. They don't like any of the Hill's canned foods even though
the dry foods all went over very well. It might be tough switching
them. I'm looking for new options.

M/D is also used for diabetic cats. Purinia has had DM out for some time
and now Purina has competition.

--
Larry Silkaitis (Owned by six cats: two grey, one black, white, black and
white, and grey and white)
"Cheryl" wrote in message
...
Adkin's diet for cats? Steve, you elluded to this. Now that the cat
is out of the bag, do you feel like sharing? What is the protein
source?

M/D is also used for diabetic cats. Purinia has had DM out for some time
and now Purina has competition.

--
Larry Silkaitis (Owned by six cats: two grey, one black, white, black and
white, and grey and white)
"Cheryl" wrote in message
...
Adkin's diet for cats? Steve, you elluded to this. Now that the cat
is out of the bag, do you feel like sharing? What is the protein
source?

"Cheryl" wrote in message
...
Adkin's diet for cats? Steve, you elluded to this. Now that the cat
is out of the bag, do you feel like sharing? What is the protein
source?

Protein... .......Can.. 52.8%......Dry... 52.0%
Fat... ..............Can.. 20.2%.....Dry... 22.0%
Carb... ...........Can...15.7%......Dry... 15.5%
Fiber... ...........Can.. ..6.0%......Dry... 5.5%
Calcium... ......Can.. .0.85%.....Dry... 0.89%
Phosphorus... Can...0.69%......Dry... 0.76%
Sodium... .......Can.. .0.36%......Dry... 0.36%
Potassium..... Can...0.77%.......Dry... 0.73%
Magnesium... .Can.. .0.065%...Dry...0.046%
Taurine ... ......Can.. .0.30%......Dry... 0.30%
Carnitine... ...Can.. 524.2.........Dry... 553.9 (ppm)


Ingredients (Can)
Pork by-products, pork liver, water, corn starch, powdered cellulose, soy
protein isolate, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric
acid), guar gum, locust bean gum, carrageenan, rice flour, taurine,
DL-methionine, L-carnitine, minerals (calcium carbonate, calcium sulfate,
dicalcium phosphate, potassium chloride, zinc oxide, ferrous sulfate, copper
sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), beta-carotene,
vitamins (choline chloride, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement,
ascorbic acid (a source of vitamin C), thiamine mononitrate, niacin, calcium
pantothenate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin, folic acid, biotin,
vitamin B12 supplement).


Canned:
Protein Digestibility...86.0%
Fat Digestibility ...82.0%
Carbohydrate Digestibility...72.0%
157 kcal/ 156 g can - 481 kcal/per cup - dry
Target Urine pH Normal Acid (6.2 - 6.4)


Dry:
Chicken by-product meal, corn gluten meal, pork fat (preserved with mixed
tocopherols and citric acid), pork protein isolate, corn meal, powdered
cellulose, wheat gluten, dried egg product, chicken liver flavor, L-lysine,
taurine, rice flour, L-carnitine, preserved with mixed tocopherols and
citric acid, minerals (potassium chloride, calcium sulfate, salt, ferrous
sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium
selenite), rosemary extract, beta carotene, vitamins (choline chloride,
vitamin A supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement,
L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (a source of vitamin C), niacin, thiamine
mononitrate, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride,
folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement).

481 kcal/per cup
Protein Digestibility....91.0%
Fat Digestibility...92.0%
Carbohydrate Digestibility...87.0%

"Cheryl" wrote in message
...
Adkin's diet for cats? Steve, you elluded to this. Now that the cat
is out of the bag, do you feel like sharing? What is the protein
source?

Protein... .......Can.. 52.8%......Dry... 52.0%
Fat... ..............Can.. 20.2%.....Dry... 22.0%
Carb... ...........Can...15.7%......Dry... 15.5%
Fiber... ...........Can.. ..6.0%......Dry... 5.5%
Calcium... ......Can.. .0.85%.....Dry... 0.89%
Phosphorus... Can...0.69%......Dry... 0.76%
Sodium... .......Can.. .0.36%......Dry... 0.36%
Potassium..... Can...0.77%.......Dry... 0.73%
Magnesium... .Can.. .0.065%...Dry...0.046%
Taurine ... ......Can.. .0.30%......Dry... 0.30%
Carnitine... ...Can.. 524.2.........Dry... 553.9 (ppm)


Ingredients (Can)
Pork by-products, pork liver, water, corn starch, powdered cellulose, soy
protein isolate, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric
acid), guar gum, locust bean gum, carrageenan, rice flour, taurine,
DL-methionine, L-carnitine, minerals (calcium carbonate, calcium sulfate,
dicalcium phosphate, potassium chloride, zinc oxide, ferrous sulfate, copper
sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), beta-carotene,
vitamins (choline chloride, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement,
ascorbic acid (a source of vitamin C), thiamine mononitrate, niacin, calcium
pantothenate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin, folic acid, biotin,
vitamin B12 supplement).


Canned:
Protein Digestibility...86.0%
Fat Digestibility ...82.0%
Carbohydrate Digestibility...72.0%
157 kcal/ 156 g can - 481 kcal/per cup - dry
Target Urine pH Normal Acid (6.2 - 6.4)


Dry:
Chicken by-product meal, corn gluten meal, pork fat (preserved with mixed
tocopherols and citric acid), pork protein isolate, corn meal, powdered
cellulose, wheat gluten, dried egg product, chicken liver flavor, L-lysine,
taurine, rice flour, L-carnitine, preserved with mixed tocopherols and
citric acid, minerals (potassium chloride, calcium sulfate, salt, ferrous
sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium
selenite), rosemary extract, beta carotene, vitamins (choline chloride,
vitamin A supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement,
L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (a source of vitamin C), niacin, thiamine
mononitrate, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride,
folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement).

481 kcal/per cup
Protein Digestibility....91.0%
Fat Digestibility...92.0%
Carbohydrate Digestibility...87.0%

Phil P. wrote:

Protein... .......Can.. 52.8%......Dry... 52.0%
Fat... ..............Can.. 20.2%.....Dry... 22.0%
Carb... ...........Can...15.7%......Dry... 15.5%
Fiber... ...........Can.. ..6.0%......Dry... 5.5%
Calcium... ......Can.. .0.85%.....Dry... 0.89%
Phosphorus... Can...0.69%......Dry... 0.76%
Sodium... .......Can.. .0.36%......Dry... 0.36%
Potassium..... Can...0.77%.......Dry... 0.73%
Magnesium... .Can.. .0.065%...Dry...0.046%
Taurine ... ......Can.. .0.30%......Dry... 0.30%
Carnitine... ...Can.. 524.2.........Dry... 553.9 (ppm)


[...]

Thanks Phil. I don't know what to make of that but all the pork is
interesting. I was wondering if this diet would be low in grains for
Shadow's IBD. His new vet suggested a diet without corn and grains
and not to worry about brand but ingredients. This helps a lot. I
have to wonder about fat content. I have digestive problems, too, and
even knowing that IBD seems pretty generic and has different
requirements for diet, I do notice that high fat content kills me.
Even eating a salad with a non-diet salad dressing tears me up more
than a lunch of Lean Cuisine with 6 grams of fat. I suppose it is
impossible to find a cat food with low fat and no grains but a high
enough protein content? sigh

Phil P. wrote:

Protein... .......Can.. 52.8%......Dry... 52.0%
Fat... ..............Can.. 20.2%.....Dry... 22.0%
Carb... ...........Can...15.7%......Dry... 15.5%
Fiber... ...........Can.. ..6.0%......Dry... 5.5%
Calcium... ......Can.. .0.85%.....Dry... 0.89%
Phosphorus... Can...0.69%......Dry... 0.76%
Sodium... .......Can.. .0.36%......Dry... 0.36%
Potassium..... Can...0.77%.......Dry... 0.73%
Magnesium... .Can.. .0.065%...Dry...0.046%
Taurine ... ......Can.. .0.30%......Dry... 0.30%
Carnitine... ...Can.. 524.2.........Dry... 553.9 (ppm)


[...]

Thanks Phil. I don't know what to make of that but all the pork is
interesting. I was wondering if this diet would be low in grains for
Shadow's IBD. His new vet suggested a diet without corn and grains
and not to worry about brand but ingredients. This helps a lot. I
have to wonder about fat content. I have digestive problems, too, and
even knowing that IBD seems pretty generic and has different
requirements for diet, I do notice that high fat content kills me.
Even eating a salad with a non-diet salad dressing tears me up more
than a lunch of Lean Cuisine with 6 grams of fat. I suppose it is
impossible to find a cat food with low fat and no grains but a high
enough protein content? sigh

Larry Silkaitis wrote:
M/D is also used for diabetic cats. Purinia has had DM out for some
time and now Purina has competition.

Sadly it doesn't look like what I'm looking for. I was hopeful.

Adkin's diet for cats? Steve, you elluded to this. Now that the
cat
is out of the bag, do you feel like sharing? What is the
protein
source?