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Phil P. composed with style: "Cheryl" wrote in message ... d/d is a prescription diet, so your vet will probably have to order it. Taking Shamrock tomorrow so I'll have them order some if they don't have it. Have you tried gradually adding water to his dry food -- in very small increments -- until the consistency is similar to canned food? This might make the transition a little easier - it doesn't work on all cats - but its worth a shot. I've tried that, tried mixing the dry with canned also. He's down to a very little bit of dry food now. I think the crappy Friskies is causing loose stools for Shamrock now. Speak to your vet about a vit/min supplement - to give separately. Although a balanced diet would be better. Don't use a so-called palatĀ*able or chewable veterinary vit/mineral suppleĀ*ment- use fractionated doses from a multivitamin and minĀ*eral supp. I only use natural supplements now and put them in gelcaps; both get fish oil each night: a 1000 mg cap dribbled into small gelcaps to make 3 doses, they each get one of those thirds. I got a Wysong supplement that you sprinkle on the food (contains catnip of all things!) which I only use when feeding the chicken and less real catfood. It has taurine in it. Now ya'll have me worried about too much protein and fat when feeding all meat. *sigh* Still giving the F&S VitaCaps (vet is ok with that for both kitties). I only do this to get past some of the worse flare-ups because I'm not so sure it's balanced enough [ IBD recipes] I think I have a few somewhere - I'll take a look when I get back to my main computer. I'd appreciate it. Have you tried adding omega-3s? They should help reduce inflammation. See above fish oil Did you ever try the glutamine you asked about? 1 600mg capsule every other day. |
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"Phil P." wrote in message ... "Cheryl" wrote in message ... Adkin's diet for cats? Steve, you elluded to this. Now that the cat is out of the bag, do you feel like sharing? What is the protein source? Protein... .......Can.. 52.8%......Dry... 52.0% Fat... ..............Can.. 20.2%.....Dry... 22.0% Carb... ...........Can...15.7%......Dry... 15.5% Fiber... ...........Can.. ..6.0%......Dry... 5.5% Calcium... ......Can.. .0.85%.....Dry... 0.89% Phosphorus... Can...0.69%......Dry... 0.76% Sodium... .......Can.. .0.36%......Dry... 0.36% Potassium..... Can...0.77%.......Dry... 0.73% Magnesium... .Can.. .0.065%...Dry...0.046% Taurine ... ......Can.. .0.30%......Dry... 0.30% Carnitine... ...Can.. 524.2.........Dry... 553.9 (ppm) I don't get it... how is 15.5% DM "low carbs"? Wellness, among others, have carb levels that are far lower.. Jon Jon, The objective of a metabolic ketosis generating food is to switch the cat into a state of ketosis. Basically change the cat from utilizing glucose over to ketosis. Both MD and DM dry products are about 15% DMB carbohydrates. Both cause ketosis. Driving carbohydrates any lower serves absolutely no positive gain. An analogy is shooting a gopher. A 22 beullet through the head kills the gopher, a 12 guage shotgun will do the trick too. Either way the gopher is dead. If you can drive the cat into ketosis with 15% carbs, then it is possible to pay attention to other issues, like insuring there isn't excess levels of calcium and phosphorus in the diet. What happens when you go to extremes like Fancy Feast with 0.0% carbs, is that you end up with calcium at 2.3% and phosphorus at 1.8% both waaaay in excess of maximum levels appropriate for any adult cat, even a kitten, and quite dangerous for a cat over 12 years of age. Most wellness products I have looked at are always above the KNF levels for calcium and phosphorus, most likely due to buying less expensive meat meals with a higher levels of ground up bone tissue. You have to wonder how a food can end up with 1.5% calcium when chicken meat by itself is only 0.01% calcium. There is little calcium in the grains nor in other ingredients. The vast majority comes from ground up bones in meat meals - the cheaper the meat meals the higher the percentage of ground up bone tissue. I have not looked at wellness cat products in some time but just finished looking at their canine products. I presume the results will be similar. |
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"Jon C" wrote in message . ..
"Phil P." wrote in message ... "Cheryl" wrote in message ... Adkin's diet for cats? Steve, you elluded to this. Now that the cat is out of the bag, do you feel like sharing? What is the protein source? Protein... .......Can.. 52.8%......Dry... 52.0% Fat... ..............Can.. 20.2%.....Dry... 22.0% Carb... ...........Can...15.7%......Dry... 15.5% Fiber... ...........Can.. ..6.0%......Dry... 5.5% Calcium... ......Can.. .0.85%.....Dry... 0.89% Phosphorus... Can...0.69%......Dry... 0.76% Sodium... .......Can.. .0.36%......Dry... 0.36% Potassium..... Can...0.77%.......Dry... 0.73% Magnesium... .Can.. .0.065%...Dry...0.046% Taurine ... ......Can.. .0.30%......Dry... 0.30% Carnitine... ...Can.. 524.2.........Dry... 553.9 (ppm) I don't get it... how is 15.5% DM "low carbs"? Wellness, among others, have carb levels that are far lower.. Jon Jon, The objective of a metabolic ketosis generating food is to switch the cat into a state of ketosis. Basically change the cat from utilizing glucose over to ketosis. Both MD and DM dry products are about 15% DMB carbohydrates. Both cause ketosis. Driving carbohydrates any lower serves absolutely no positive gain. An analogy is shooting a gopher. A 22 beullet through the head kills the gopher, a 12 guage shotgun will do the trick too. Either way the gopher is dead. If you can drive the cat into ketosis with 15% carbs, then it is possible to pay attention to other issues, like insuring there isn't excess levels of calcium and phosphorus in the diet. What happens when you go to extremes like Fancy Feast with 0.0% carbs, is that you end up with calcium at 2.3% and phosphorus at 1.8% both waaaay in excess of maximum levels appropriate for any adult cat, even a kitten, and quite dangerous for a cat over 12 years of age. Most wellness products I have looked at are always above the KNF levels for calcium and phosphorus, most likely due to buying less expensive meat meals with a higher levels of ground up bone tissue. You have to wonder how a food can end up with 1.5% calcium when chicken meat by itself is only 0.01% calcium. There is little calcium in the grains nor in other ingredients. The vast majority comes from ground up bones in meat meals - the cheaper the meat meals the higher the percentage of ground up bone tissue. I have not looked at wellness cat products in some time but just finished looking at their canine products. I presume the results will be similar. |
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