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"Hailey" wrote in message . net... WOW!!! I don't have dogs, but am c/ping this info for friends that DO! That is amazing! Do they also make cat food with whatever they put in the dog food ? Thanks for that info, Steve Hailey They do, however it isn't possible to do the same clinical trials in cats. And, we should never assume cats will respond metabolically in the same manner as a dog. You can ask dogs to perform tasks as Dr. Milgram did in his testing. Dogs are willing to go through the various tests and follow along. Part of the testing involved a dog being able to discriminate between three objects and knowing which of the three objects was different than the other two. You just can't get cats to cooperate and be willing participants in the same type of testing. While it is logical to assume that certain antioxidants and mitochondrial cofactors would have the same effect on cats, we cannot prove it in the same way. Thus the IHUT studies I described elsewhere in this thread. The Grade of Evidence Based Medicine for the Milgram canine study is Grade 1, the IHUT studies are merely Grade 4 which is nowhere near as powerful. |
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"Hailey" wrote in message . net... WOW!!! I don't have dogs, but am c/ping this info for friends that DO! That is amazing! Do they also make cat food with whatever they put in the dog food ? Thanks for that info, Steve Hailey They do, however it isn't possible to do the same clinical trials in cats. And, we should never assume cats will respond metabolically in the same manner as a dog. You can ask dogs to perform tasks as Dr. Milgram did in his testing. Dogs are willing to go through the various tests and follow along. Part of the testing involved a dog being able to discriminate between three objects and knowing which of the three objects was different than the other two. You just can't get cats to cooperate and be willing participants in the same type of testing. While it is logical to assume that certain antioxidants and mitochondrial cofactors would have the same effect on cats, we cannot prove it in the same way. Thus the IHUT studies I described elsewhere in this thread. The Grade of Evidence Based Medicine for the Milgram canine study is Grade 1, the IHUT studies are merely Grade 4 which is nowhere near as powerful. |
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From: (GAUBSTER2)
From: olitter (PawsForThought) Well, I checked, thinking it was Eukanuba's new formula but I find it's SD's Advanced Protection. You know, the formula that seven out of ten dog owners said made their dogs seem happier? You're kidding, right? A happier dog? That's a pretty interesting claim. Wonder how SD tries to prove it, LOL Why don't you do some research, Lauren instead of belittling everything that Hill's does and you'll probably learn something? In the meantime, when are you going to apologize to me about LYING about me on the issue of declawing? I see you're still stalking me Fraudster the Liar aka Troll Boy. Sorry, I don't apologize to trolls and name callers and a liar like you. Your trolling is really pathetic. But that's ok, I realize you have no life of your own and therefore must attack others and their deceased cats. What a loser you are. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm |
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"PawsForThought" wrote in message ... You're kidding, right? A happier dog? That's a pretty interesting claim. Wonder how SD tries to prove it, LOL Why don't you do some research, Lauren instead of belittling everything that Hill's does and you'll probably learn something? In the meantime, when are you going to apologize to me about LYING about me on the issue of declawing? I see you're still stalking me Fraudster the Liar aka Troll Boy. Sorry, I don't apologize to trolls and name callers and a liar like you. Your trolling is really pathetic. But that's ok, I realize you have no life of your own and therefore must attack others and their deceased cats. What a loser you are. No of course it would be impossible for Lauren to admit error. Posted to her snide comments were two of the dozen or so peer reviewed published clinical studies around cognitive dysfunction. She's not "LOL" now of course because once again she's been proven to be in error. Nothing particularly unusual in that sequellae of events. Some people can't apologize for previous lies and massive errors because that would require a certain level of integrity, probity, honor and adult behavior which is apparently missing. |
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"PawsForThought" wrote in message ... You're kidding, right? A happier dog? That's a pretty interesting claim. Wonder how SD tries to prove it, LOL Why don't you do some research, Lauren instead of belittling everything that Hill's does and you'll probably learn something? In the meantime, when are you going to apologize to me about LYING about me on the issue of declawing? I see you're still stalking me Fraudster the Liar aka Troll Boy. Sorry, I don't apologize to trolls and name callers and a liar like you. Your trolling is really pathetic. But that's ok, I realize you have no life of your own and therefore must attack others and their deceased cats. What a loser you are. No of course it would be impossible for Lauren to admit error. Posted to her snide comments were two of the dozen or so peer reviewed published clinical studies around cognitive dysfunction. She's not "LOL" now of course because once again she's been proven to be in error. Nothing particularly unusual in that sequellae of events. Some people can't apologize for previous lies and massive errors because that would require a certain level of integrity, probity, honor and adult behavior which is apparently missing. |
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From: "Steve Crane"
She's not "LOL" now of course because once again she's been proven to be in error. I am LOL - at your nonsense and immaturity. Some people can't apologize for previous lies and massive errors because that would require a certain level of integrity, probity, honor and adult behavior which is apparently missing. Yes, missing from you, Steve. You're just a manipulating salesman for Hill's Science Diet. I have yet to see you apologize for your mean spirited lies about my deceased cats that you made. As to this new "super food" made by SD, I would trust the integrity of Hill's testing why? LOL Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm |
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From: "Steve Crane"
She's not "LOL" now of course because once again she's been proven to be in error. I am LOL - at your nonsense and immaturity. Some people can't apologize for previous lies and massive errors because that would require a certain level of integrity, probity, honor and adult behavior which is apparently missing. Yes, missing from you, Steve. You're just a manipulating salesman for Hill's Science Diet. I have yet to see you apologize for your mean spirited lies about my deceased cats that you made. As to this new "super food" made by SD, I would trust the integrity of Hill's testing why? LOL Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm |
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Yes, missing from you, Steve. You're just a manipulating salesman for
Hill's Science Diet. I have yet to see you apologize for your mean spirited lies about my deceased cats that you made. As to this new "super food" made by SD, I would trust the integrity of Hill's testing why? LOL Ahh Lauren, You really do like to step in it don't you? Please show us where I have EVER commented in a negative manner about your deceased cats. That's utter BS and you know it! I'm beginning to think you hope you can cover up the deceitful things you do by seeking sympathy for your two deceased cats from who knows how long ago. That would be the only reason I can think of that would cause you outright LIE about me having made any negative comments about your deceased kitties. Your apology for this wrongful accusation will be cheerfully accepted. Further if you had bothered to read the two peer reviewed published articles you would have noted the studies were done by Dr. Milgram who has NEVER been an employee of Hill's. To follow your logic then the US Department of Defense who chose this food for all working dogs in the US military, the US Secret Service, US Treasury and the FBI who have fed this food for a couple years now have all lied about its' efficacy. You might learn to trust the integrity of the system. The peer reviewed publication process is the best process we have and NOBODY disputes that. Does it have flaws? Sure, but there is no better system in existence. Then you might stop and think for just a second or two. If you think for one second that IAMS, Purina, Hill's, Waltham or any other food manufacturer can present a study of any kind without being placed under the most minute scrutiny by the competition you are completely insane. Every study that any competitor has ever done is reviewed, studied, stuck under a microscope and poked for any holes that can possibly be exploited by the competition, or for ways to steal the technology. |
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Yes, missing from you, Steve. You're just a manipulating salesman for
Hill's Science Diet. I have yet to see you apologize for your mean spirited lies about my deceased cats that you made. As to this new "super food" made by SD, I would trust the integrity of Hill's testing why? LOL Ahh Lauren, You really do like to step in it don't you? Please show us where I have EVER commented in a negative manner about your deceased cats. That's utter BS and you know it! I'm beginning to think you hope you can cover up the deceitful things you do by seeking sympathy for your two deceased cats from who knows how long ago. That would be the only reason I can think of that would cause you outright LIE about me having made any negative comments about your deceased kitties. Your apology for this wrongful accusation will be cheerfully accepted. Further if you had bothered to read the two peer reviewed published articles you would have noted the studies were done by Dr. Milgram who has NEVER been an employee of Hill's. To follow your logic then the US Department of Defense who chose this food for all working dogs in the US military, the US Secret Service, US Treasury and the FBI who have fed this food for a couple years now have all lied about its' efficacy. You might learn to trust the integrity of the system. The peer reviewed publication process is the best process we have and NOBODY disputes that. Does it have flaws? Sure, but there is no better system in existence. Then you might stop and think for just a second or two. If you think for one second that IAMS, Purina, Hill's, Waltham or any other food manufacturer can present a study of any kind without being placed under the most minute scrutiny by the competition you are completely insane. Every study that any competitor has ever done is reviewed, studied, stuck under a microscope and poked for any holes that can possibly be exploited by the competition, or for ways to steal the technology. |
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