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dgk wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. |
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Bob F wrote:
dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free". Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality beats quantity in almost evry case. |
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On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
Bob F wrote: dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free". Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality beats quantity in almost evry case. The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and easily dug. -- David E. Ross Climate: California Mediterranean, see http://www.rossde.com/garden/climate.html Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary |
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"David E. Ross" wrote: On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote: Bob F wrote: dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free". Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality beats quantity in almost evry case. The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and easily dug. Forget cats, I have raccoons, and put down chicken wire to discourage them. -- Welcome to the New America. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg or E Pluribus Unum Green Party Nominee Jill Stein & Running Mate, Cheri Honkala http://www.democracynow.org/2012/7/13/green_party_nominee_jill_stein_running |
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On 10/27/2012 11:35 AM, Bob F wrote:
dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Responsible cat owners who want their pets to experience the outdoors have a number of options that will permit cats to safely do so, and without posing a nuisance to neighbors. Permanent solutions: fence their yard or build a catio. Temporary solutions are Kittywalks and pet pup tents. Both are made of heavy mesh, fold for storage, and are appropriate for use under direct supervision. They won't protect a cat from a predator, so the owner should only use them when s/he is at home and able to keep an eye on the cat(s). |
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David E. Ross wrote:
On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote: Bob F wrote: dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free". Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality beats quantity in almost evry case. The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and easily dug. Well, there you are. In my case, I see millions of pitiful little (furry and otherwise) creatures freezing and starving ivery Winter, and forced to watch their children freeze and starve before them) All done by a pitiless and uncaring God who created this miserable mess and yet is, "worshipped" (in abject fear) by billions of stupid folk. So, in my own small way, I try to do what I can to help at least the few that I find in my limited area. I could care less how they treat my potted plants. So, to each his own. I am truely sorry for your plants, and I understand your position completely. Its a pity that you can't understand mine. |
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Rick wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:54:21 -0700, "David E. Ross" wrote: On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote: Bob F wrote: dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free". Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality beats quantity in almost evry case. The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and easily dug. Cats aren't too big a problem in my garden, but a group of feral cats has really played Hobb with the wild turkey population on one of the tracts. Coyotes seem to keep them thinned in the warmer months and I suspect winter is hard on them as they don't seem to migrate. I hope they all succumb this year so I don't have to try and deal with it. The wild turkeys around here are much too large to interest any house cat. Also, I have never seen a house cat team up with another house cat to accomplish anything. Cats are the ultimate loners and don't, "team up" I also will take this opportunity to suggest that anyone who grows anything outside has to worry about bird poop as well as a myriad of other harmful insects and animals, and shouled wash all his veggies thouroughly before eating them. It doesn't matter whether he is washing off cat or bird poop, as long as he washes it off, and ( preferably) cooks everything before eating it. |
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Moe DeLoughan wrote:
On 10/27/2012 11:35 AM, Bob F wrote: dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Responsible cat owners who want their pets to experience the outdoors have a number of options that will permit cats to safely do so, and without posing a nuisance to neighbors. Permanent solutions: fence their yard or build a catio. Temporary solutions are Kittywalks and pet pup tents. Both are made of heavy mesh, fold for storage, and are appropriate for use under direct supervision. They won't protect a cat from a predator, so the owner should only use them when s/he is at home and able to keep an eye on the cat(s). When you get to your heaven, find a black cat named, "B-K" and ask him if he would rather have lived twice as long in a cage..... |
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On 10/30/12 1:41 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
Rick wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:54:21 -0700, "David E. Ross" wrote: On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote: Bob F wrote: dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free". Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality beats quantity in almost evry case. The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and easily dug. Cats aren't too big a problem in my garden, but a group of feral cats has really played Hobb with the wild turkey population on one of the tracts. Coyotes seem to keep them thinned in the warmer months and I suspect winter is hard on them as they don't seem to migrate. I hope they all succumb this year so I don't have to try and deal with it. The wild turkeys around here are much too large to interest any house cat. Also, I have never seen a house cat team up with another house cat to accomplish anything. Cats are the ultimate loners and don't, "team up" I also will take this opportunity to suggest that anyone who grows anything outside has to worry about bird poop as well as a myriad of other harmful insects and animals, and shouled wash all his veggies thouroughly before eating them. It doesn't matter whether he is washing off cat or bird poop, as long as he washes it off, and ( preferably) cooks everything before eating it. The problem is NOT the poop. The problem is that cats dig toilets for their poop. The digging destroys parts of my garden. Birds do not dig toilets. -- David E. Ross Climate: California Mediterranean, see http://www.rossde.com/garden/climate.html Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary |
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David E. Ross wrote:
On 10/30/12 1:41 PM, Bill Graham wrote: Rick wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:54:21 -0700, "David E. Ross" wrote: On 10/27/12 5:40 PM, Bill Graham wrote: Bob F wrote: dgk wrote: On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:59:00 -0400, Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote: Gas Bag wrote: She wants to stop her cats getting out, and other cats getting in. To any cat "lovers" out there, my friend isn't getting rid of her cats, nor is she trapping/baiting any of the cats in her suburb. Anyone who cares about their cats doesn't let them out. Like most absolute statements, that's nonsense. Cats enjoy being outdoors and if we really care about our cats we want them to be happy. Safe counts but so does happy. And neighbor's love cat poop in their spinach. Spinach gets lots of poop on it, from birds and other animals. If you grow veggies, you better wash them before you eat them. Cats are naturally wild animals. Like Elsa. they were "born free". Keeping them inside is like keeping a bird in a cage. It keeps them alive, but what is their quality of life? For me, quality beats quantity in almost evry case. The quality of my own life depends on not having new plants dug up by a cat for a toilet because it found the soil there soft and easily dug. Cats aren't too big a problem in my garden, but a group of feral cats has really played Hobb with the wild turkey population on one of the tracts. Coyotes seem to keep them thinned in the warmer months and I suspect winter is hard on them as they don't seem to migrate. I hope they all succumb this year so I don't have to try and deal with it. The wild turkeys around here are much too large to interest any house cat. Also, I have never seen a house cat team up with another house cat to accomplish anything. Cats are the ultimate loners and don't, "team up" I also will take this opportunity to suggest that anyone who grows anything outside has to worry about bird poop as well as a myriad of other harmful insects and animals, and shouled wash all his veggies thouroughly before eating them. It doesn't matter whether he is washing off cat or bird poop, as long as he washes it off, and ( preferably) cooks everything before eating it. The problem is NOT the poop. The problem is that cats dig toilets for their poop. The digging destroys parts of my garden. Birds do not dig toilets. But this is one of the nicest things about cats... The facy yhat they bury their droppings. Dogs don't do this. In fact, very few other animals do this. And, it constitutes great fertilizer for the plants, too. The repair process is minimal. It would only take a few minutes a day to clean up after a half dozen cats. Most of our cats,use the cat box we keep inside the house, even though they have access to the outside 24/7. Even the former feral cat hardly ever goes outside. Have you tried putting a cat box near your plants? I bet whichever cat is "destroying" your plants would love to use it.... |
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