New Outdoor Cat Enclosures

"Victor Martinez" wrote in message
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Sherry wrote:
the same treatment in hospitals. That is NOT true. I've heard horror
stories from friends
in the med. field. That is so wrong.

And if you're lucky enough to get treatment, the bills will very likely
send you to bankruptcy. Medical bills are, by far, the main reason people
file for bankruptcy in this country.

Victor, who is lucky enough to have good health insurance.


I agree with you with one small exception. And it is probably the sticking
point that keeps us from getting proper health care reform in the US.

There is a very large gap between people who think they can afford health
insurance and buy it, and those the government and the rest of us think
should be able to afford insurance and should have to pay for it. Lots of
the people in that gap do manage the payments on new cars and trucks, etc.

I don't see a solution. Cars and trucks aside, poor people's money usually
doesn't go as far as people with more money think it should.

I wonder too, what other countries do about people who work off the books.
Who don't pay into any system but still need care when the time comes.

Jo

"CatNipped" wrote in message
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"Christina Websell" wrote in message
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"badwilson" wrote in message
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It's not really necessary. I just plucked this off the net for an
idea (only read the first third or so unless you like medical info) I
do, actually! I find it fascinating.

http://hernia.tripod.com/incisional2.html



So have you had the tension free repair method using mesh?

No, they said they would use mesh so I was surprised to wake up without
it. Apparently, although it did once seem a good idea, it seems that the
mesh can lead to awful infections so they decided not to.
I got a pretty bad infection even without it, but at least I didn't have
to have another operation to have the mesh removed.
On a scale of 1-10 would I consider this operation again? Minus 10.
No way, unless it becomes life-threatening.

Tweed

I don't at all mean to start another argument, but this is why, problems
and all, I prefer our medical system in the states. First, it seems you
must have had the "older conventional type" of sutures in your original
surgery. I had to have a hysterectomy in 1991. Although it wasn't
cancerous, I had so many fibroid tumors that they had to remove womb and
ovaries as well as removing growths from the outside of my intestines, so
the surgery was probably as invasive as yours if not as dire. They used
internal and external sutures, used electrical field therapy, used aroma
therapy, used self-administered morphine, and offered physical therapy to
strengthen the muscles post-surgery. I was completely healed in less than
6 weeks and could resume all my normal activities.

Had something like your hernia occurred, a specialist would have been
called in, surgery would have been done immediately, and the latest
cutting edge (pun intended) technology would have been used to repair it.
I know *quite* a few people who have had abdominal surgery here and I
haven't heard of anyone who has had a hernia as a result. When I had my
last surgery, the woman in the next bed had a "tummy tuck" - paid for by
her insurance since previous surgery had "allegedly" caused a "weakness"
in the abdominal muscles - not because of herniation. When surgery is
needed here (and even if it is elective), it is done immediately, with no
wait, and it is done *correctly*! /rant

I'm sorry, Tweed, again I don't mean to start a debate (gawd knows there's
a *LOT* wrong with the medical system here) - I'm just angry *FOR* you.
Cosmetic surgeons *should* be available to anyone who *needs* them! If
your lifestyle has to drastically change, then I don't see that as an
"elective" surgery, it's surgery that is needed to live a normal life!
They should have done it right in the first place and you should have been
able to resume your normal life in a couple of months, not still be
restricted after (how many?) years!!!

I was lucky to live at all from my ovarian cancer. It does not seem fair to
complain too much now about an incisional hernia that will not repair after
the surgery that saved my life. Although I will do ;-) so please let me
vent now and again.

Christina Websell wrote:

I was lucky to live at all from my ovarian cancer. It does not seem fair to
complain too much now about an incisional hernia that will not repair after
the surgery that saved my life. Although I will do ;-) so please let me
vent now and again.

By all means! Pain is pain. It might no longer be life-threatening,
but if one is miserable enough, one might wish it were...

One can learn to live with minor discomfort, but misery is not
acceptable IMO.

Joyce

"Christina Websell" wrote in message
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"CatNipped" wrote in message
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"Christina Websell" wrote in message
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"badwilson" wrote in message
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It's not really necessary. I just plucked this off the net for an
idea (only read the first third or so unless you like medical info) I
do, actually! I find it fascinating.

http://hernia.tripod.com/incisional2.html



So have you had the tension free repair method using mesh?

No, they said they would use mesh so I was surprised to wake up without
it. Apparently, although it did once seem a good idea, it seems that the
mesh can lead to awful infections so they decided not to.
I got a pretty bad infection even without it, but at least I didn't have
to have another operation to have the mesh removed.
On a scale of 1-10 would I consider this operation again? Minus 10.
No way, unless it becomes life-threatening.

Tweed

I don't at all mean to start another argument, but this is why, problems
and all, I prefer our medical system in the states. First, it seems you
must have had the "older conventional type" of sutures in your original
surgery. I had to have a hysterectomy in 1991. Although it wasn't
cancerous, I had so many fibroid tumors that they had to remove womb and
ovaries as well as removing growths from the outside of my intestines, so
the surgery was probably as invasive as yours if not as dire. They used
internal and external sutures, used electrical field therapy, used aroma
therapy, used self-administered morphine, and offered physical therapy to
strengthen the muscles post-surgery. I was completely healed in less
than 6 weeks and could resume all my normal activities.

Had something like your hernia occurred, a specialist would have been
called in, surgery would have been done immediately, and the latest
cutting edge (pun intended) technology would have been used to repair it.
I know *quite* a few people who have had abdominal surgery here and I
haven't heard of anyone who has had a hernia as a result. When I had my
last surgery, the woman in the next bed had a "tummy tuck" - paid for by
her insurance since previous surgery had "allegedly" caused a "weakness"
in the abdominal muscles - not because of herniation. When surgery is
needed here (and even if it is elective), it is done immediately, with no
wait, and it is done *correctly*! /rant

I'm sorry, Tweed, again I don't mean to start a debate (gawd knows
there's a *LOT* wrong with the medical system here) - I'm just angry
*FOR* you. Cosmetic surgeons *should* be available to anyone who *needs*
them! If your lifestyle has to drastically change, then I don't see that
as an "elective" surgery, it's surgery that is needed to live a normal
life! They should have done it right in the first place and you should
have been able to resume your normal life in a couple of months, not
still be restricted after (how many?) years!!!

I was lucky to live at all from my ovarian cancer. It does not seem fair
to complain too much now about an incisional hernia that will not repair
after the surgery that saved my life. Although I will do ;-) so please
let me vent now and again.

Oh, vent all you want to - you have *every* right to, I can only sympathize
(as can everyone here I imagine). Even though this might not be
life-threatening, it's still painful and limits your ability to do the
things you want to - that sucks! :

Hugs,

CatNipped

Christina Websell wrote:

If I can do it, anyone can if they are good health. Not any more for me,
unfortunately, the incisional repair I had in March has broken down. There
was only 44 per cent chance would work, anyway. I can live with it atm,
medically. In every other way it is going to ruin my life.

I am sorry to hear this!

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs

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Christina Websell wrote:

Enclosures are not difficult to build yourself. I haven't had to build a
cat enclosure as my cats are safe outside but I *have* had to build
enclosures for my chickens because of fox problems. One size would fit all
here/safe for chickens/safe for cats.
It's quite easy to build a frame of 2x2 timber, but put an upright in every
3 feet or so, 6 feet if you will use really rigid mesh to enclose it in as I
do for keeping foxes out.
I put paving slabs down to avoid crafty burrowing in and build the frame on
top of that. I thought I was safe with 6 feet high, but had a disaster and
now put a roof on, which would be needed for cats, of course. So, put more
2x2 across the top to accommodate the size of roof sheet you can get. Get
some roof sheets, fix them on, cover the sides with good wire mesh, make a
door to fit.
If I can do it, anyone can if they are good health. Not any more for me,
unfortunately, the incisional repair I had in March has broken down. There
was only 44 per cent chance would work, anyway. I can live with it atm,
medically. In every other way it is going to ruin my life.

Tweed


I'm sorry to hear you are still having health problems, Christina.
Lots of purrs and hugs,
Polonca and Soncek