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Yowie wrote:
alt.religion.wicca.moderated uses stump IIRC, and seems to work reasonably well. The group uses Ready STUMP (for a fee). They've set it up so that unfamiliar posters have to be "hand moderated" but once a person has made enough acceptable posts, they are put upon the "pre-approved" list. A matter of moderation policy, other groups might use a different rule set. -- news:alt.pagan FAQ at http://www.dmcom.net/bard/altpag.txt news:alt.religion.wicca FAQ at http://www.dmcom.net/bard/arwfaq2.txt news:news.groups FAQ at http://www.dmcom.net/bard/ngfaq.txt Want a new group FAQs http://web.presby.edu/~nnqadmin/nnq/ncreate.html |
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Yowie wrote:
alt.religion.wicca.moderated uses stump IIRC, and seems to work reasonably well. The group uses Ready STUMP (for a fee). They've set it up so that unfamiliar posters have to be "hand moderated" but once a person has made enough acceptable posts, they are put upon the "pre-approved" list. A matter of moderation policy, other groups might use a different rule set. -- news:alt.pagan FAQ at http://www.dmcom.net/bard/altpag.txt news:alt.religion.wicca FAQ at http://www.dmcom.net/bard/arwfaq2.txt news:news.groups FAQ at http://www.dmcom.net/bard/ngfaq.txt Want a new group FAQs http://web.presby.edu/~nnqadmin/nnq/ncreate.html |
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says... I'll grant you that I think anyone getting all flamed up about cats probably needs to reconsider their priorities (and I *like* cats), but it takes all kinds... Were you around for the rec.pet.cats split? I was promoting an unrelated RFD at the time, and I must say all that hissing and spitting made those of us forming rec.music.filk look like models of decorum. :- -- Kay Shapero reply address munged - use earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~kayshapero/ |
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In article ,
says... I'll grant you that I think anyone getting all flamed up about cats probably needs to reconsider their priorities (and I *like* cats), but it takes all kinds... Were you around for the rec.pet.cats split? I was promoting an unrelated RFD at the time, and I must say all that hissing and spitting made those of us forming rec.music.filk look like models of decorum. :- -- Kay Shapero reply address munged - use earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~kayshapero/ |
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On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, BarB wrote:
|But are there enough usenet readers? That's all that really |matters. Why aren't the current r.p.cats.* groups satisfying |breeders as forums for their discussions? What are the problems |with those forums, and how will the proposed group help? What |kinds of problems might the proposed group create and how will |they be mitigated? | |Some users believe all breeding of animals is immoral, not just |the back-yard breeder cranking out litter after litter for a quick |profit, but also the breeder working to improve the breed. How on earth is it possible to improve a breed without hybridizing? Is the breeder going to induce mutations instead? This is more than a rhetorical question, it's a quandary, because it requires someone, somewhere, to decide which set of cat genes, properly concentrated, constitute an approved 'breed.' |
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On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, BarB wrote:
|But are there enough usenet readers? That's all that really |matters. Why aren't the current r.p.cats.* groups satisfying |breeders as forums for their discussions? What are the problems |with those forums, and how will the proposed group help? What |kinds of problems might the proposed group create and how will |they be mitigated? | |Some users believe all breeding of animals is immoral, not just |the back-yard breeder cranking out litter after litter for a quick |profit, but also the breeder working to improve the breed. How on earth is it possible to improve a breed without hybridizing? Is the breeder going to induce mutations instead? This is more than a rhetorical question, it's a quandary, because it requires someone, somewhere, to decide which set of cat genes, properly concentrated, constitute an approved 'breed.' |
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On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, BarB wrote:
|But are there enough usenet readers? That's all that really |matters. Why aren't the current r.p.cats.* groups satisfying |breeders as forums for their discussions? What are the problems |with those forums, and how will the proposed group help? What |kinds of problems might the proposed group create and how will |they be mitigated? | |Some users believe all breeding of animals is immoral, not just |the back-yard breeder cranking out litter after litter for a quick |profit, but also the breeder working to improve the breed. How on earth is it possible to improve a breed without hybridizing? Is the breeder going to induce mutations instead? This is more than a rhetorical question, it's a quandary, because it requires someone, somewhere, to decide which set of cat genes, properly concentrated, constitute an approved 'breed.' |
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:04:02 -0700, Matthew Montchalin
wrote: On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, BarB wrote: Actually Ru wrote: |But are there enough usenet readers? That's all that really |matters. Why aren't the current r.p.cats.* groups satisfying |breeders as forums for their discussions? What are the problems |with those forums, and how will the proposed group help? What |kinds of problems might the proposed group create and how will |they be mitigated? BarB wrote: | |Some users believe all breeding of animals is immoral, not just |the back-yard breeder cranking out litter after litter for a quick |profit, but also the breeder working to improve the breed. How on earth is it possible to improve a breed without hybridizing? A breeder can improve the line by breeding to higher quality animals in the same breed or by testing and eliminating genetic defects in the line. Incidentally they can also ruin a line by trying for the more extreme features that have won shows. The flat face of a Persian is one example of over breeding that can cause respiratory and eye problems (blockage in the tear ducts). So is the narrow head on a Collie. New breeds are constantly being developed by cat and dog breeders to develop a certain look. Some are deliberate crosses and some are mutations. Eventually with work and luck some of these breeds will proceed to be registered purebreds with the cat organizations. The Himalayan is one such cross, with the points of a Siamese and the Persian face and coat. Is the breeder going to induce mutations instead? Usually these occur by accident and someone saves the line...the curly-coated Devon Rex, La Perm, Selkirk Rex, American Keuda to name a few. This is more than a rhetorical question, it's a quandary, because it requires someone, somewhere, to decide which set of cat genes, properly concentrated, constitute an approved 'breed.' See http://www.messybeast.com/workbreed.htm BarB |
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:04:02 -0700, Matthew Montchalin
wrote: On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, BarB wrote: Actually Ru wrote: |But are there enough usenet readers? That's all that really |matters. Why aren't the current r.p.cats.* groups satisfying |breeders as forums for their discussions? What are the problems |with those forums, and how will the proposed group help? What |kinds of problems might the proposed group create and how will |they be mitigated? BarB wrote: | |Some users believe all breeding of animals is immoral, not just |the back-yard breeder cranking out litter after litter for a quick |profit, but also the breeder working to improve the breed. How on earth is it possible to improve a breed without hybridizing? A breeder can improve the line by breeding to higher quality animals in the same breed or by testing and eliminating genetic defects in the line. Incidentally they can also ruin a line by trying for the more extreme features that have won shows. The flat face of a Persian is one example of over breeding that can cause respiratory and eye problems (blockage in the tear ducts). So is the narrow head on a Collie. New breeds are constantly being developed by cat and dog breeders to develop a certain look. Some are deliberate crosses and some are mutations. Eventually with work and luck some of these breeds will proceed to be registered purebreds with the cat organizations. The Himalayan is one such cross, with the points of a Siamese and the Persian face and coat. Is the breeder going to induce mutations instead? Usually these occur by accident and someone saves the line...the curly-coated Devon Rex, La Perm, Selkirk Rex, American Keuda to name a few. This is more than a rhetorical question, it's a quandary, because it requires someone, somewhere, to decide which set of cat genes, properly concentrated, constitute an approved 'breed.' See http://www.messybeast.com/workbreed.htm BarB |
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