tap water & bottle spring water

-L. wrote:
Margarita Salt wrote:
Please, don't dole out information when you don't know what you're
talking about. Spring water is spring water, distilled water is
distilled water. Spring water is not "purified" distilled water.

Distilled water does not have an odor, nor does it have anything
else. That's why it is recommended for steam irons, humidifiers,
vaporizers, etc., so the evaporation doesn't leave behind lime scale
or any other mineralization to corrode or clog the systems. It's
produced by condensation or evaporation.

No, Hon, distilled water is produced by distillation. Evaporated
water disassociates into hydrogen and oxygen molecules and condensed
water isn't necessarily distilled water. If you are going to nit pick,
at least be sure they are nits.

-L.
(snickering)

don't snicker too much, distillation is evaporation and condensation,
yuk yuk.

you can see this for yourself. take a pot of water and boil it. in a
way, crude way, you can say the water evaporates or become steams onto
a glass lid. if you tilt the lid, the water condenses on the lid and is
distilled water.

that's all a distiller does. creates steam, think vapor or gaseous
thing here, and then allows that steam to collect or condense back into
the liquid form.

clifto wrote:
For what turned out to be silly reasons, I started drinking distilled water
and/or spring water and suddenly developed a mouthful of cavities. I had
to go back to tap water to stop the epidemic.

get a flouride treatment from your dentist. it's a gel placed in the
mouth for so many minutes or whatever they do now. i gather you need
flouride to protect against cavities then?

Because we like the cats to get pure water, we've been using a product for
them for years, when a vet recommended it. Oxyfresh Pet Oral Hygiene Solution.
Seems great for the teeth, the vets never find much tartar or any real tooth
problems. Some vets carry it, or you can buy it on line. It's 5 mL per
"quart (1L)" [sic] of water, so we just put 20 mL into a gallon of distilled
water and fill the bowl as needed.

is this a hydrogen peroxide product? interesting, i'll check it out. i
hope it's not hydrogen peroxide which can possibly attack enamel if
you're not careful. it's a great killer of germs but i'm worried about
its long term effect on enamel. does it list the ingredients? could you
list them here? i don't see them listed offhand on the 'net.

wrote:
-L. wrote:
Margarita Salt wrote:
Please, don't dole out information when you don't know what you're
talking about. Spring water is spring water, distilled water is
distilled water. Spring water is not "purified" distilled water.

Distilled water does not have an odor, nor does it have anything
else. That's why it is recommended for steam irons, humidifiers,
vaporizers, etc., so the evaporation doesn't leave behind lime scale
or any other mineralization to corrode or clog the systems. It's
produced by condensation or evaporation.

No, Hon, distilled water is produced by distillation. Evaporated
water disassociates into hydrogen and oxygen molecules and condensed
water isn't necessarily distilled water. If you are going to nit pick,
at least be sure they are nits.

-L.
(snickering)

i missed your disassociation. that's not evaporation. that's
electrolysis.
evaporation is just water turning from a liquid state to a gaseous
state.
and condensed water _is_ distilled water if first evaporated or made
gaseous
and collected in a separate chamber or pot.

distilled leaves behind the minerals but does not leave behind the VOC
or volatile organic compounds because they also travel with the steam
and become gaseous as the water does. the minerals do not become
gaseous so can be left behind.

in other words, distilled water must be treated to get rid of the VOCs,
usually a charcoal filter but if one is not careful, one can
concentrate the VOCs in the distilled water and make it quite
dangerous. most distillers have an escape hole for the VOC's to escape
and not be collected in the collection chamber or carafe.

okay now back to the usual bickering

wrote:
i missed your disassociation. that's not evaporation. that's
electrolysis.

The molecules DISASSOCIATE into hydorgen and oxygen.

Verb:
1. To cease associating; part.
2. Biology: To mutate or change morphologically, often reversibly.
3. Chemistry: To undergo dissociation.

Electrolysis has nothing to do with it. Electrolysis requires the
running of an electrical current through a compoud, and is defined
below:

NOUN:

1. Chemical change, especially decomposition, produced in an
electrolyte by an electric current.
2. Destruction of living tissue, especially of hair roots, by means
of an electric current applied with a needle-shaped electrode.



evaporation is just water turning from a liquid state to a gaseous
state.
and condensed water _is_ distilled water if first evaporated or made
gaseous
and collected in a separate chamber or pot.

Correct. But evaporated water is not necessarily distilled water,
which is what I originally stated.



distilled leaves behind the minerals but does not leave behind the VOC
or volatile organic compounds because they also travel with the steam
and become gaseous as the water does. the minerals do not become
gaseous so can be left behind.

in other words, distilled water must be treated to get rid of the VOCs,
usually a charcoal filter but if one is not careful, one can
concentrate the VOCs in the distilled water and make it quite
dangerous. most distillers have an escape hole for the VOC's to escape
and not be collected in the collection chamber or carafe.

okay now back to the usual bickering

Let me guess - you read the ad on your water bottle...

-L.

-L. wrote:

Let me guess - you read the ad on your water bottle...

-L.

and you felt like it was neccessary to set up at 2 am eternal and make
that remark.
interesting

i can't imagine anyone setting up at this hour posting anything

:

Systemrecovery wrote:
-L. wrote:

Let me guess - you read the ad on your water bottle...

-L.

and you felt like it was neccessary to set up at 2 am eternal and make
that remark.

It's not even midnight here, Bar. I am a West Coaster, remember...


interesting

i can't imagine anyone setting up at this hour posting anything


Setting what up? Do you mean "sitting up"?

Late PM is the only time I have to myself, when my "guys" are sleeping.
I get all my housework done at night too. But because of this, I
require a siesta.

Go get your woobie and lay down on your beddie-bye. I will be in to
tuck you in, in a minnie...

-L.

-L. wrote:
wrote:
i missed your disassociation. that's not evaporation. that's
electrolysis.

The molecules DISASSOCIATE into hydorgen and oxygen.

They do not. Evaporation does not cause disassociation. This is a
completely wrong comment from you.

Again, evaporation which you stated has nothing to do with
disassociation.

Evaporation is just going from a liquid to a gas, but the molecule is
still the same molecule, a water molecule with 2 hydrogen atoms to 1
oxygen atom. It's 2 hydrogen atoms to 1 oxygen atom because of the
valence of oxygen. Valences originally came from Linus Pauling who
received the Nobel Prize for this observation. His first Nobel Prize.
The second was the Peace Prize. And he was close to a third Nobel for
DNA but lost out by probably a matter of months. No one else has come
close to three Nobel Prizes as far as I know.

With me so far? Linus Pauling aside, evaporation is just a state
change.

If you wish to disassociate, you need a process like electrolysis which
separates the atoms in the water molecule H20 into the very different
gases of hydrogen and oxygen. At that point, it's obviously not water
at that point, and is, in fact, two separate gases that are not water
vapor.

But evaporation, again, does not do this. Evaporation keeps water as
water. If evaporation allowed disassociation, we would have free
energy, just about, unlimited quantities of hydrogen gas for fuel
without any effort but allowing the sun to evaporate the water.

We would also have extremely large quantities of the explosive gas of
hydrogen. Another reason that your comment that evaporation is
disassociation is just plain wrong, wrong, wrong. More than wrong, does
not make any sense. If water evaporations caused disassociations, the
entire earth would become a ball of fire and be destroyed.

In other words, our entire planet would be cooked if you were right in
your assertion that water disassociates from evaporation.

The earth is not being destroyed because water evaporation of the
oceans just causes the liquid water to become water vapor in the
atmosphere where it condenses back into a liquid like rain and so
forth.

Where on earth did you get the idea that evaporation causes water
molecules to disassociate? I am really curious. Was that a high school
chemistry class in which you were nodding off? Now before you argue
with me, just look this up in Wikipedia.com

Let me guess - you read the ad on your water bottle...

-L.

That's a start, you need to read the label on the bottle, how else do
you suggest starting? No label, then who is the manufacturer or
supplier? Then you contact the manufacturer and the state's labs and go
from there. The manufacturer and the state will send you the anaylses.
You can then compare them to see if they are the same, or in the same
ballpark. Then you can compare the analyses with what the EPA puts out
as guidelines. This is just the beginning but a good one. It's
enlightening to see the errors. The first time I did this, I pointed
out to the state that their tests for lead, the minimums, were much
higher than the EPA levels. In other words, the water could be
contaminated but it would not be known because they set their lab
standards incorrectly. To which the state lab replied, oh.

"Systemrecovery" wrote in message
ups.com...

-L. wrote:

Let me guess - you read the ad on your water bottle...

-L.

and you felt like it was neccessary to set up at 2 am eternal and make
that remark.
interesting

i can't imagine anyone setting up at this hour posting anything

:


hee!

p.s.~~It was two where you are but I think it was, say, 11 where Lyn is.

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On 2006-03-01, -L. wrote:

The molecules DISASSOCIATE into hydorgen and oxygen.

Verb:
1. To cease associating; part.
2. Biology: To mutate or change morphologically, often reversibly.
3. Chemistry: To undergo dissociation.

Boiling water doesn't dissociate. You've got to heat steam well over
1,000 degrees C to get even a tiny amount of hydrogen and oxygen.

--
The night is just the shadow of the Earth.