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Michael Jackson
"AZ Nomad" wrote in message
... On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:45:59 +0100, Christina Websell wrote: wrote in message .. . AZ wrote: Christina Websell wrote: I'm alway sad when some dies but I'm not worried about this one. He wanted to be white, Why? why is it important to you? Maybe she's just curious. Something doesn't have to be "important" to a person in order to ask a question about it. No, I'm not being curious. I am stating a fact that Michael Jackson had lots of operations to make him seem white and why? Who cares? He's dead. Quit beating the dead horse. Why don't you quit being rude instead? I thought Michael was just beautiful during the 'Thriller' era. He should have quit while he was ahead. Jill |
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Michael Jackson
"Granby" wrote:
After the first allegation against him, any parents who allowed their children to be involved with him in any way are more guilty for what may have happened. Well, it ultimately became quite obvious that *nothing* happened. And I'm not much enamored of "guilt by allegation." Ever see the movie /The Children's Hour/? Very ugly. The first (and only) allegation was from a known con artist who had previously tried to extort money from other celebrities, using similar false allegations. It should have been utterly ignored by all -- including parents, and especially including a certain racist DA. (If there had been a good judge on the case, the DA would have had his rear end handed to him for bringing a case which was utterly without merit.) -- Wayne M. |
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Michael Jackson
Wayne Mitchell wrote in
: "Granby" wrote: After the first allegation against him, any parents who allowed their children to be involved with him in any way are more guilty for what may have happened. Well, it ultimately became quite obvious that *nothing* happened. And I'm not much enamored of "guilt by allegation." Ever see the movie /The Children's Hour/? Very ugly. The first (and only) allegation was from a known con artist who had previously tried to extort money from other celebrities, using similar false allegations. It should have been utterly ignored by all -- including parents, and especially including a certain racist DA. (If there had been a good judge on the case, the DA would have had his rear end handed to him for bringing a case which was utterly without merit.) Sorry Wayne; the man admitted to getting in bed with young children. I don't even care if nothing happened after that because that is way over my line. The level of anger in your post borders on bizarre. |
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Michael Jackson
Christina Websell wrote: His nose got to look, well, not quite right but he refused to admit plastic surgery and he was once black. He tried to be white, and that made me sad, like it was better to be white. I think, in the part of the entertainment world where the "Jackson Five" performed when he was young, that may have been a perceived "fact". Certainly the discrimination many black entertainers encountered, in terms of finding overnight accommodation "on the road", was well known. (Even Las Vegas "headliners" were often not allowed to stay in the hotel-casinos where they were performing.) I learned from the autobiography of more than one female entertainer that, before the Civil Rights Movement, often the only place they could find to sleep in some cities was a local brothel (hopefully with a door they could lock from the inside). |
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Michael Jackson
Granby wrote: Whatever he did, or didn't do is Gods decision now. I am sorry he was surrounded by people who didn't seem to help but, as is many cases of rich, famous people, were trying to figure out to get their piece of the pie. After the first allegation against him, any parents who allowed their children to be involved with him in any way are more guilty for what may have happened. I am enough of a cynic to think those parents were perfectly willing to prostitute their children in hopes of bringing a lucrative lawsuit! (Quite aside from the nasty rumors, what responsible parents would allow their children to stay overnight, unchaperoned, in such a clearly "kinky" environment?) |
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Wayne Mitchell wrote: "Granby" wrote: After the first allegation against him, any parents who allowed their children to be involved with him in any way are more guilty for what may have happened. Well, it ultimately became quite obvious that *nothing* happened. "Obvious" to WHOM? Lack of objective proof in a court of law is just that. Our laws provide that an accused person is "presumed innocent" until PROVEN guilty. (Being acquitted for lack of proof does NOT mean "nothing happened" - only that nothing could be proved.) And I'm not much enamored of "guilt by allegation." Ever see the movie /The Children's Hour/? Very ugly. The first (and only) allegation was from a known con artist who had previously tried to extort money from other celebrities, using similar false allegations. It should have been utterly ignored by all -- including parents, and especially including a certain racist DA. (If there had been a good judge on the case, the DA would have had his rear end handed to him for bringing a case which was utterly without merit.) Whatever the actual truth of the matter, and even if "Neverland" was simply an attempt by a man of mature years to fulfill his infantile fantasies (and share them with children), would YOU have allowed your children to be unsupervised guests there? Even if the actual situations had no sexual overtones, the venue itself was "kinky" enough to raise doubts in any responsible parent. IMO, better to avoid the POSSIBILITY of molestation, however "pure" everyone's actual motives may have been. |
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Michael Jackson
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
wrote: I think it's a lot harder on dark-skinned people, not to minimize how it might feel even to a pale-skinned person, if they had the white patches in highly visible places. I'm sure they make "cover-stick" in darker skin tones, too - it's not only Caucasians who want to hide facial blemishes! Vitiligo can cause large areas of the skin to turn white. After a certain point, cover sticks are a bit impractical. We're not talking about pimples! -- Joyce ^..^ To email me, remove the XXX from my user name. |
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Michael Jackson
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
And I'm not much enamored of "guilt by allegation." Ever see the movie /The Children's Hour/? Very ugly. Whatever the actual truth of the matter, and even if "Neverland" was simply an attempt by a man of mature years to fulfill his infantile fantasies (and share them with children), would YOU have allowed your children to be unsupervised guests there? Even if the actual situations had no sexual overtones, the venue itself was "kinky" enough to raise doubts in any responsible parent. IMO, better to avoid the POSSIBILITY of molestation, however "pure" everyone's actual motives may have been. I agree. I wouldn't allow my kids to hang out in such a place. That's common sense. I'm still glad our laws work the way they do, though. -- Joyce ^..^ To email me, remove the XXX from my user name. |
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Michael Jackson
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
wrote: Marina wrote: I have vitiligo. I have a patch of white on my leg, just above the knee. I mean I'm white, but that patch is *really* white. It's more obvious when I'm tanned. It doesn't bother me, but if I had that patch on my face, I might want to do something about it. I'm sure that's true. But imagine if the rest of your skin was dark brown and you had these white patches. It's a harmless condition, medically speaking but it does cause people to feel badly about how they look. I think it's a lot harder on dark-skinned people, not to minimize how it might feel even to a pale-skinned person, if they had the white patches in highly visible places. I'm sure they make "cover-stick" in darker skin tones, too - it's not only Caucasians who want to hide facial blemishes! I'm changing my mind on this. I'd assumed that of course the vitiligo story was just a cover-up for Jackson's obsession with becoming white, but I did a bit of googling after reading earlier posts on this thread. Not only is the problem far more obvious on dark skin than on light, it can be so widespread that covering with makeup can be very difficult, and removal of the remaining pigment can have a better result than attempting to even out what remains - especially if the disease is an aggressive form. There's a black reporter who has gone public with his experiences - it affects his hand more than his face, but the lack of colour is very eyecatching, and the emotional impact can be quite devastating since people assume the disease is catching, like leprosy. Cheryl |
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