Today Eli was laying next to me on the floor when Lily started looking in the cat flap (to make sure Eli not around) so she could come in and have a bite to eat. Eli *always* attacks her. So I hid Eli Peace Talks

"Pat" wrote in message
...
Today Eli was laying next to me on the floor when Lily started looking in
the cat flap (to make sure Eli not around) so she could come in and have a
bite to eat. Eli *always* attacks her. So I hid Eli from her long enough
to get them both inside at once, so I could have a talk with them about
their fighting.

I locked the cat flap right after Lily came in but in that couple of
seconds they already started to fight. I whapped Eli and he scampered into
the bathroom cupboard. Meanwhile Lily ran under the bed to hide. I locked
Eli in the bathroom and dragged Lily, growling the whole time, out from
under the bed and carried her into the bathroom, where we all had a long
talk.

I started off by apologizing to Eli for all the times I had punished him
for attacking Lily, and explained to Lily that it "takes two" and that
When she *expects* to be attacked, and goes on the defensive, runs away,
etc. it is an invitation that Eli cannot resist. I told her that just like
Abelard learned to act bored when Eli started challenging him, she too
would have to change her attitude, lose the fear, and calm down so we can
have a peaceful home again.

At first Lily would not take her face out of the crook of my arm and look
at Eli, or if I made her look at him, she'd pin her ears and start
growling. I just kept talking to the both of them and petting them, and
calming Lily down. Eli was very cool about the whole thing, he never
growled, hissed or acted the least bit threatening.

Although I had a lot of work waiting for me, I promised myself I would
stay there in the bathroom with these cats for however long it took for
them to make peace. And it did not take a long time. Within half an hour,
Lily was laying next to her dear Uncle Eli, with both of them purring. I
stayed with them for another five minutes or so and then let them go.

So far there have been no further fights, but if it does happen again we
will go through another round of peace talk in the bathroom, each and
every time until these two cats can co-exist without upsetting everyone
else.


Very good.

I was considering asking this very question. "How to make them just get
along". Cleo is terrorizing Smokey despite being about half her size. Cleo
is very indifferent to the other cats. Sometimes she swats at them,
sometimes she is trying to play. But Smokey can't tell the difference, since
Cleo has one attack speed, FULL. Smokey has started running and hiding at
the first sign of trouble. Cali has even been coming to Smokey's rescue when
she hears them fighting. This is really weird, since Smokey bullies Cali and
their is no love lost between them.

I don't think talking to either of these two would do much good, as neither
is a rocket scientist. Cleo is definitely street smart, but not much
brighter than Smokey. We've been slowly trying to impose some discipline on
Cleo, without scaring her. We've also been trying to get Smokey to stand up
to Cleo, but I think Cali is the best teacher here.

Any advice.

Bill Stock wrote:

I was considering asking this very question. "How to make them just get
along". Cleo is terrorizing Smokey despite being about half her size. Cleo
is very indifferent to the other cats. Sometimes she swats at them,
sometimes she is trying to play. But Smokey can't tell the difference, since
Cleo has one attack speed, FULL. Smokey has started running and hiding at
the first sign of trouble. Cali has even been coming to Smokey's rescue when
she hears them fighting. This is really weird, since Smokey bullies Cali and
their is no love lost between them.

I don't think talking to either of these two would do much good, as neither
is a rocket scientist. Cleo is definitely street smart, but not much
brighter than Smokey. We've been slowly trying to impose some discipline on
Cleo, without scaring her. We've also been trying to get Smokey to stand up
to Cleo, but I think Cali is the best teacher here.

Any advice.

Yes I noticed that with two cats, not mine. One was very, very fat and
the big, fat bully also had urinary problems so the crystals made for
one quite violent mood swings for a cat who already had mood swings
previously. The other cat, quite skinny and mellow was often bullied.
But when I bullied the big fat cat while trying to dose her with
antibiotic - she would purr one minute then turn around and open her
mouth and snarl quite angrily - the other cat came in between the both
of us! Very, very impressive behavior. Quite mature and quite sure of
herself to control the situation, which she did.

She was allowing herself to be bullied probably because she knew the
other cat had serious problems of all sorts. So mature and
sophisticated. I also saw once some physical movements that seemed to
say to the other cat I will allow you to bully me but watch out - you
can steal my food and other small things but don't make me put you in
your place.

I was considering asking this very
question. "How to make them just get
along".

I wrote a post about this very thing to Pat awhile back, but she seems
to prefer chasing, yelling at and hitting (and yes, she did say she hit
her cat ) instead of using gentle positive reinforcement. You can read
it he
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.p...f84577c?hl=en&

Megan



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

wrote in message
...
I was considering asking this very
question. "How to make them just get
along".

I wrote a post about this very thing to Pat awhile back, but she seems
to prefer chasing, yelling at and hitting (and yes, she did say she hit
her cat ) instead of using gentle positive reinforcement. You can read
it he
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.p...f84577c?hl=en&

Megan

Not wishing to get in the middle of a war here, I'm sure Pat cares very much
for her cats.

I've read that animals have trouble associating the crime with the
punishment, especially if any time has passed. We have found that telling
the cat 'NO' prior to an episode tends to work fairly well on the brighter
kitties (Cali). Although she sometimes denies she knows what this means.

But even the challenged kitties can learn boundaries. eg. Smokey knows to
stay out of Cali's bowl (at least when we're watching). Cleo thinks every
bowl is hers; it may be a losing battle to change this habbit.




"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

"Pat" wrote in message
...
Today Eli was laying next to me on the floor when Lily started looking in
the cat flap (to make sure Eli not around) so she could come in and have a
bite to eat. Eli *always* attacks her. So I hid Eli from her long enough
to
get them both inside at once, so I could have a talk with them about their
fighting.

I locked the cat flap right after Lily came in but in that couple of
seconds
they already started to fight. I whapped Eli and he scampered into the
bathroom cupboard. Meanwhile Lily ran under the bed to hide. I locked Eli
in
the bathroom and dragged Lily, growling the whole time, out from under the
bed and carried her into the bathroom, where we all had a long talk.

I started off by apologizing to Eli for all the times I had punished him
for
attacking Lily, and explained to Lily that it "takes two" and that When
she
*expects* to be attacked, and goes on the defensive, runs away, etc. it is
an invitation that Eli cannot resist. I told her that just like Abelard
learned to act bored when Eli started challenging him, she too would have
to
change her attitude, lose the fear, and calm down so we can have a
peaceful
home again.

At first Lily would not take her face out of the crook of my arm and look
at
Eli, or if I made her look at him, she'd pin her ears and start growling.
I
just kept talking to the both of them and petting them, and calming Lily
down. Eli was very cool about the whole thing, he never growled, hissed or
acted the least bit threatening.

Although I had a lot of work waiting for me, I promised myself I would
stay
there in the bathroom with these cats for however long it took for them to
make peace. And it did not take a long time. Within half an hour, Lily was
laying next to her dear Uncle Eli, with both of them purring. I stayed
with
them for another five minutes or so and then let them go.

So far there have been no further fights, but if it does happen again we
will go through another round of peace talk in the bathroom, each and
every
time until these two cats can co-exist without upsetting everyone else.

Pat, I've waited two days before replying to this note because I didn't want
to reply in anger (see below), I wanted to reply in a reasonable manner so
that I might help you out here.

First let me say that I minored in psychology in college, I've reared two
children who were 13 months apart in age and both had ADHD, and I have
continued to study psychology, and child psychology in particular, for the
last 33 years. My daughter now has three children who are 6, 12, and 13,
and is rearing them as I reared her - with no spanking or screaming *AT
ALL*, but *PLENTY* of discipline - and all three of her children are also
beautifully behaved.

So I really do know what I'm talking about.

Hitting a child or an animal not only does *NOT* change bad behavior, it
*ENCOURAGES* and *MODELS* violence and bad behavior. It is demonstrating to
the "subject" (child or animal) that hitting is a solution to problems.
Does it not make sense that we should not hit when we're trying to teach a
subject not to hit???!

Children and animals are hyper-sensitive to our moods, and they are
especially good at picking up anger (it's a built-in protection mechanism of
those creatures who are smaller than us). When dealing with a discipline
issue, the first thing you have to do is get control of *yourself*. *****If
you are angry and can't calm down right away, then walk away (unless there
is immediate danger in your walking away) and come back when you have gotten
control of yourself.***** If you do this often enough you can teach
yourself out of the habit of reacting to things with anger and you won't
need to walk away (unfortunately, I still react immediately with anger when
I'm confronted with someone hurting a child or an animal).

You need to model and demonstrate the behavior you want to teach, e.g. calm,
control, peace, and good social interaction. Children, and especially
animals, who perforce don't understand speech, do not learn from what we
tell them, they learn from what we do.

Pertaining to cats in particular... You should *NEVER* hit a cat. Cats
more than any other creature do not associate your hitting them with their
bad behavior. All you will accomplish will be to make your cat afraid of
you and whoever was in the area (i.e. the other cat) when he was hurt and
frightened. This will make the fighting between the two cats worse in the
long run.

I think the temporary "truce" you saw was more from tiredness and boredom
than from any understanding of what you were taking about (interpretation of
what "Fluffy" hears when you talk to him: "Blah, blah blah, blah blah blah
Fluffy. Blah, blah blah, blah blah blah, Fluffy, blah blah blah"),

I know you're dealing with depression right now (so am I), and that makes it
hard to control what you feel and do, but ultimately you will feel better
about yourself if you can get control of your anger since depression is
actually anger turned inwards.

Hugs,

CatNipped

"CatNipped" wrote

Pat, I've waited two days before replying to this note because I didn't
want
to reply in anger (see below), I wanted to reply in a reasonable manner so
that I might help you out here.

First let me say that I minored in psychology in college, I've reared two
children who were 13 months apart in age and both had ADHD, and I have
continued to study psychology, and child psychology in particular, for the
last 33 years. My daughter now has three children who are 6, 12, and 13,
and is rearing them as I reared her - with no spanking or screaming *AT
ALL*, but *PLENTY* of discipline - and all three of her children are also
beautifully behaved.

So I really do know what I'm talking about.

Hitting a child or an animal not only does *NOT* change bad behavior, it
*ENCOURAGES* and *MODELS* violence and bad behavior. It is demonstrating
to
the "subject" (child or animal) that hitting is a solution to problems.
Does it not make sense that we should not hit when we're trying to teach a
subject not to hit???!

Children and animals are hyper-sensitive to our moods, and they are
especially good at picking up anger (it's a built-in protection mechanism
of
those creatures who are smaller than us). When dealing with a discipline
issue, the first thing you have to do is get control of *yourself*.
*****If
you are angry and can't calm down right away, then walk away (unless there
is immediate danger in your walking away) and come back when you have
gotten
control of yourself.***** If you do this often enough you can teach
yourself out of the habit of reacting to things with anger and you won't
need to walk away (unfortunately, I still react immediately with anger
when
I'm confronted with someone hurting a child or an animal).

You need to model and demonstrate the behavior you want to teach, e.g.
calm,
control, peace, and good social interaction. Children, and especially
animals, who perforce don't understand speech, do not learn from what we
tell them, they learn from what we do.

Pertaining to cats in particular... You should *NEVER* hit a cat. Cats
more than any other creature do not associate your hitting them with their
bad behavior. All you will accomplish will be to make your cat afraid of
you and whoever was in the area (i.e. the other cat) when he was hurt and
frightened. This will make the fighting between the two cats worse in the
long run.

I think the temporary "truce" you saw was more from tiredness and boredom
than from any understanding of what you were taking about (interpretation
of
what "Fluffy" hears when you talk to him: "Blah, blah blah, blah blah blah
Fluffy. Blah, blah blah, blah blah blah, Fluffy, blah blah blah"),

I know you're dealing with depression right now (so am I), and that makes
it
hard to control what you feel and do, but ultimately you will feel better
about yourself if you can get control of your anger since depression is
actually anger turned inwards.

Hugs,

CatNipped

Lori,

I've studied a bit of psychology myself so I can appreciate your PoV. I also
failed to word my post as accurately as I perhaps should have. When I said I
"whapped" Eli, it was not done in anger, and I did not hurt the cat. I just
saw the need to get him off of Lily immediately, and did what had to be
done, in a calm and efficient manner. There was no other way to stop the
fight. Eli does not fear me now and did not fear me right after I hit him,
either, but the next time he saw me seeing him thinking about attacking
Lily, all I had to do was give him a certain look to defuse the idea.

Animal psychology is, I believe, a little bit different than what we need to
raise children. I learned this watching horses, that if one of them is
exhibiting some potentially dangerous behavior toward you, it's perfectly OK
to strike them. That is what another horse would do - kick, or bite. Many
animal lovers will take offense at this statement, however, the fact is that
no unarmed human being can ever strike a horse anywhere near as hard as
another horse can. Physical violence is how these animals establish their
"pecking order", and unless you want to be overrun by a horse that does not
know its boundaries, sometimes you MUST hit or kick them. But that doesn't
mean you are angry when you do. If you watch what goes on in the herd, after
someone is disciplined by another horse, that horse doesn't "fear" the one
that stood his or her ground, but the respect increases. And the horse that
did the biting or kicking is not "angry" for a moment longer than it takes
to deliver the kick or bite. The offending horse will now think twice
before repeating whatever it was that warranted the discipline. Simple.

It's not precisely like that with cats, of course, but the fact is sometimes
the only way to intervene in a situation (in this case, break up a fight and
protect both cats from injury) involves "whapping" one of them. Certainly if
a cat was attacking you or one of your grandkids as aggressively as Eli was
tearing into little Lily, you would not hesitate to intervene, even it it
meant handling the cat in an aggressive manner. Not because you were "angry
at" the cat, but rather because you wanted to spare someone else harm. I
have never hit an animal in anger, with one exception: when a vicious cat
attacked my arm and sunk its fangs in all the way to the bone. I had gotten
in between him and my beloved Whitefoot, who was about to be torn to shreds
by this demon-possessed animal.




Lily's the one who's scared, but not of or because of me or anything I have
done.

"Pat" wrote in message
...

"CatNipped" wrote

Pat, I've waited two days before replying to this note because I didn't
want
to reply in anger (see below), I wanted to reply in a reasonable manner
so
that I might help you out here.

First let me say that I minored in psychology in college, I've reared
two
children who were 13 months apart in age and both had ADHD, and I have
continued to study psychology, and child psychology in particular, for
the
last 33 years. My daughter now has three children who are 6, 12, and
13,
and is rearing them as I reared her - with no spanking or screaming *AT
ALL*, but *PLENTY* of discipline - and all three of her children are
also
beautifully behaved.

So I really do know what I'm talking about.

Hitting a child or an animal not only does *NOT* change bad behavior, it
*ENCOURAGES* and *MODELS* violence and bad behavior. It is
demonstrating
to
the "subject" (child or animal) that hitting is a solution to problems.
Does it not make sense that we should not hit when we're trying to teach
a
subject not to hit???!

Children and animals are hyper-sensitive to our moods, and they are
especially good at picking up anger (it's a built-in protection
mechanism
of
those creatures who are smaller than us). When dealing with a
discipline
issue, the first thing you have to do is get control of *yourself*.
*****If
you are angry and can't calm down right away, then walk away (unless
there
is immediate danger in your walking away) and come back when you have
gotten
control of yourself.***** If you do this often enough you can teach
yourself out of the habit of reacting to things with anger and you won't
need to walk away (unfortunately, I still react immediately with anger
when
I'm confronted with someone hurting a child or an animal).

You need to model and demonstrate the behavior you want to teach, e.g.
calm,
control, peace, and good social interaction. Children, and especially
animals, who perforce don't understand speech, do not learn from what we
tell them, they learn from what we do.

Pertaining to cats in particular... You should *NEVER* hit a cat. Cats
more than any other creature do not associate your hitting them with
their
bad behavior. All you will accomplish will be to make your cat afraid
of
you and whoever was in the area (i.e. the other cat) when he was hurt
and
frightened. This will make the fighting between the two cats worse in
the
long run.

I think the temporary "truce" you saw was more from tiredness and
boredom
than from any understanding of what you were taking about
(interpretation
of
what "Fluffy" hears when you talk to him: "Blah, blah blah, blah blah
blah
Fluffy. Blah, blah blah, blah blah blah, Fluffy, blah blah blah"),

I know you're dealing with depression right now (so am I), and that
makes
it
hard to control what you feel and do, but ultimately you will feel
better
about yourself if you can get control of your anger since depression is
actually anger turned inwards.

Hugs,

CatNipped

Lori,

I've studied a bit of psychology myself so I can appreciate your PoV. I
also
failed to word my post as accurately as I perhaps should have. When I said
I
"whapped" Eli, it was not done in anger, and I did not hurt the cat. I
just
saw the need to get him off of Lily immediately, and did what had to be
done, in a calm and efficient manner. There was no other way to stop the
fight. Eli does not fear me now and did not fear me right after I hit him,
either, but the next time he saw me seeing him thinking about attacking
Lily, all I had to do was give him a certain look to defuse the idea.

Animal psychology is, I believe, a little bit different than what we need
to
raise children. I learned this watching horses, that if one of them is
exhibiting some potentially dangerous behavior toward you, it's perfectly
OK
to strike them. That is what another horse would do - kick, or bite. Many
animal lovers will take offense at this statement, however, the fact is
that
no unarmed human being can ever strike a horse anywhere near as hard as
another horse can. Physical violence is how these animals establish their
"pecking order", and unless you want to be overrun by a horse that does
not
know its boundaries, sometimes you MUST hit or kick them. But that doesn't
mean you are angry when you do. If you watch what goes on in the herd,
after
someone is disciplined by another horse, that horse doesn't "fear" the one
that stood his or her ground, but the respect increases. And the horse
that
did the biting or kicking is not "angry" for a moment longer than it takes
to deliver the kick or bite. The offending horse will now think twice
before repeating whatever it was that warranted the discipline. Simple.

It's not precisely like that with cats, of course, but the fact is
sometimes
the only way to intervene in a situation (in this case, break up a fight
and
protect both cats from injury) involves "whapping" one of them. Certainly
if
a cat was attacking you or one of your grandkids as aggressively as Eli
was
tearing into little Lily, you would not hesitate to intervene, even it it
meant handling the cat in an aggressive manner. Not because you were
"angry
at" the cat, but rather because you wanted to spare someone else harm. I
have never hit an animal in anger, with one exception: when a vicious cat
attacked my arm and sunk its fangs in all the way to the bone. I had
gotten
in between him and my beloved Whitefoot, who was about to be torn to
shreds
by this demon-possessed animal.

Lily's the one who's scared, but not of or because of me or anything I
have
done.

Pat, what animals do among themselves to communicate does not apply to us.
We are, hopefully, reasoning beings. Our animals do not see us as "one of
them", so what we do, we do as *humans* to those who are more helpless than
ourselves. Two dogs may snap at each other to communicate or establish
dominance. That does not mean that we should bite our dogs to show them
who's boss. And while hitting an animal who is 10 times larger than you
(like a horse) may not hurt the animal, hitting an animal who is 10 times
*smaller* than you (like a cat) certainly will.

I'm not trying to win an argument here, I'm just trying to let you know that
there is an alternative that will work *much* better for you than what you
have been doing (which is obviously not getting you the results you want if
your cats are still fighting and one of them is still afraid in her own
home). Control, consequences (as in rewarding the behavior you want to see
continue), and consistency will *always* work on *any* sentient being.

If you don't want my help with this problem, I'll bow out, but if you
continue to post about hitting your cat I'm going to killfile you. I'm
fighting depression myself right now and reading the recent posts about the
beaten kitten in the UK and the cat mutilator in LA has really gotten to me.

Hugs,

CatNipped

"CatNipped" wrote

Pat, what animals do among themselves to communicate does not apply to us.

And I was not suggesting that we should fight among ourselves and settle our
human differences with violence.

We are, hopefully, reasoning beings. Our animals do not see us as "one of
them", so what we do, we do as *humans* to those who are more helpless
than
ourselves.

As a matter of fact, they *do* see us that way. If you have a dog, or dogs,
the dog/s see/s you as the "alpha dog", the leader of his/their little pack.
Or at least, that is how he/they *should* see you, if you are in control of
your dog/s. Same goes for horses. If they do not see you as the Top Horse in
their herd, you WILL get hurt eventually. With cats who own humans, they see
us as mommy.

Watch mommy cat discipline her kittens and you'll see a whole lotta whappin'
goin' on.

hitting an animal who is 10 times
*smaller* than you (like a cat) certainly will.

Not if you do it with only the amount of force a cat would apply....

obviously not getting you the results you want if
your cats are still fighting and one of them is still afraid in her own
home).

It's going to take time to resolve the problem.

I'm fighting depression myself right now and reading the recent posts
about the
beaten kitten in the UK and the cat mutilator in LA has really gotten to
me.

I can see that this is *your* issue. I'm not blaming myself for how you feel
nor am I responsible for the way you feel. I am not hurting/abusing my cats,
either. Not a one of them is the least bit afraid of me or resentful toward
me. And although you're right now putting me in the same box in your mind
where you keep the cat beaters and mutilators, I do not feel resentful
toward you. I am not taking on your issue as my responsibility, but if you
ask for help in getting past the urge to try to make it mine, that I can do!
..

"Pat" wrote in message
...

"CatNipped" wrote

Pat, what animals do among themselves to communicate does not apply to
us.

And I was not suggesting that we should fight among ourselves and settle
our
human differences with violence.

We are, hopefully, reasoning beings. Our animals do not see us as "one
of
them", so what we do, we do as *humans* to those who are more helpless
than
ourselves.

As a matter of fact, they *do* see us that way. If you have a dog, or
dogs,
the dog/s see/s you as the "alpha dog", the leader of his/their little
pack.
Or at least, that is how he/they *should* see you, if you are in control
of
your dog/s. Same goes for horses. If they do not see you as the Top Horse
in
their herd, you WILL get hurt eventually. With cats who own humans, they
see
us as mommy.


The "alpha" animal theory of husbandry has been disproven many, many times
over.


Watch mommy cat discipline her kittens and you'll see a whole lotta
whappin'
goin' on.


Most mommy cats I know don't weigh 130+ pounds.


hitting an animal who is 10 times
*smaller* than you (like a cat) certainly will.

Not if you do it with only the amount of force a cat would apply....

obviously not getting you the results you want if
your cats are still fighting and one of them is still afraid in her own
home).

It's going to take time to resolve the problem.

I'm fighting depression myself right now and reading the recent posts
about the
beaten kitten in the UK and the cat mutilator in LA has really gotten to
me.

I can see that this is *your* issue. I'm not blaming myself for how you
feel
nor am I responsible for the way you feel. I am not hurting/abusing my
cats,
either. Not a one of them is the least bit afraid of me or resentful
toward
me. And although you're right now putting me in the same box in your mind
where you keep the cat beaters and mutilators, I do not feel resentful
toward you. I am not taking on your issue as my responsibility, but if you
ask for help in getting past the urge to try to make it mine, that I can
do!

I never said that how I felt was your problem, indeed it's not. But if
you're wondering why I put your "whapping" of your cat into the same box in
my mind as cat abusers, then refer to the following definition of "whap"
from the Meriam-Webster web site:

Main Entry: whap
Pronunciation: 'hwäp, 'wäp
variant of WHOP

Main Entry: 1whop
Pronunciation: 'hwäp, 'wäp
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): whopped; whop·ping
Etymology: Middle English whappen, alteration of wappen to throw violently
1 : to pull or whip out
2 a : BEAT, STRIKE b : to defeat totally

Hugs,

CatNipped

"CatNipped" wrote:
I never said that how I felt was your problem, indeed it's not. But if
you're wondering why I put your "whapping" of your cat into the same box in
my mind as cat abusers, then refer to the following definition of "whap"
from the Meriam-Webster web site:

Main Entry: whap
Pronunciation: 'hwäp, 'wäp
variant of WHOP

Come on you two, enough whapping of one another!