The things you come across on Usenet (cats)

"William Graham" wrote in message

"Sean Black" wrote in
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Nope, what they have in mind is fitting a "black box"
to every car, tracking when and where it goes and
charging per mile, at varying rates (depending on type
of road/time of day etc...) and billing you. A few
pence a mile for smaller roads at off-peak times,
rising to (I've heard) £1.34 (something over $2) per
mile on motorways at peak times. Leaving aside the whole Big Brother
aspect of having
all your movements tracked, if they bring that in at
those sort of prices, there'll be plenty of people that
wouldn't be able to afford to go to work, even if they
wanted to (me included).

Taxes on gasoline do the same thing, and much more
easily....Besides, they encourage driving vehicles that
get better mileage, too......The smaller and lighter and
more efficient your vehicle, the less you have to pay,
and this is as it should be, because the less wear and
tear on the roads, and the less pollution you emit into
the air, too. Why mess with a system as good as this?
Here in the US, people are still driving their huge SUV's
around, but then gasoline is still very cheap. It was 20 cents a
gallon back in 1950, and now, some 50 years later, when
it should be over $5.00 a gallon, it is still only $3.00
a gallon....So, people are complaining about
nothing........

Come over here to the UK, it *is* over $5 a gallon, *well* over. Plus we
get taxed twice over; once on fuel (current levels approaching
£1.00/litre) and once more on "road tax" discs of up to £160/year
(depending on emission levels). Now they want to tax us yet again per mile
driven.

(Anyone who thinks that after they've imposed road pricing they'll remove
either or both of the other taxes is sadly misguided...)


Ivor

"Ivor Jones" wrote in message
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"William Graham" wrote in message

"Sean Black" wrote in
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[snip]

Nope, what they have in mind is fitting a "black box"
to every car, tracking when and where it goes and
charging per mile, at varying rates (depending on type
of road/time of day etc...) and billing you. A few
pence a mile for smaller roads at off-peak times,
rising to (I've heard) £1.34 (something over $2) per
mile on motorways at peak times. Leaving aside the whole Big Brother
aspect of having
all your movements tracked, if they bring that in at
those sort of prices, there'll be plenty of people that
wouldn't be able to afford to go to work, even if they
wanted to (me included).

Taxes on gasoline do the same thing, and much more
easily....Besides, they encourage driving vehicles that
get better mileage, too......The smaller and lighter and
more efficient your vehicle, the less you have to pay,
and this is as it should be, because the less wear and
tear on the roads, and the less pollution you emit into
the air, too. Why mess with a system as good as this?
Here in the US, people are still driving their huge SUV's
around, but then gasoline is still very cheap. It was 20 cents a
gallon back in 1950, and now, some 50 years later, when
it should be over $5.00 a gallon, it is still only $3.00
a gallon....So, people are complaining about
nothing........

Come over here to the UK, it *is* over $5 a gallon, *well* over. Plus we
get taxed twice over; once on fuel (current levels approaching
£1.00/litre) and once more on "road tax" discs of up to £160/year
(depending on emission levels). Now they want to tax us yet again per mile
driven.

(Anyone who thinks that after they've imposed road pricing they'll remove
either or both of the other taxes is sadly misguided...)


Ivor

Yes....That's because GB is basically a socialist state....Be thankful that
the government doesn't take all of your money away and dribble back the
food, clothing, and housing that they think you should have.....It seems
that Robin Hood has become the national norm....
Not that I am gloating, or anything like that...We are fast becoming the
same....Hillary would nationalize all the doctors and other health personnel
and make it a state owned and run industry....Then you will be able to
choose any doctor you want as long as his name is, "---- ----", and go to
any hospital you want as long as it's "Hillary General".....:^)

"William Graham" wrote in message
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"Ivor Jones" wrote in message
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"William Graham" wrote in message

"Sean Black" wrote in
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[snip]

Nope, what they have in mind is fitting a "black box"
to every car, tracking when and where it goes and
charging per mile, at varying rates (depending on type
of road/time of day etc...) and billing you. A few
pence a mile for smaller roads at off-peak times,
rising to (I've heard) £1.34 (something over $2) per
mile on motorways at peak times. Leaving aside the whole Big Brother
aspect of having
all your movements tracked, if they bring that in at
those sort of prices, there'll be plenty of people that
wouldn't be able to afford to go to work, even if they
wanted to (me included).

Taxes on gasoline do the same thing, and much more
easily....Besides, they encourage driving vehicles that
get better mileage, too......The smaller and lighter and
more efficient your vehicle, the less you have to pay,
and this is as it should be, because the less wear and
tear on the roads, and the less pollution you emit into
the air, too. Why mess with a system as good as this?
Here in the US, people are still driving their huge SUV's
around, but then gasoline is still very cheap. It was 20 cents a
gallon back in 1950, and now, some 50 years later, when
it should be over $5.00 a gallon, it is still only $3.00
a gallon....So, people are complaining about
nothing........

Come over here to the UK, it *is* over $5 a gallon, *well* over. Plus we
get taxed twice over; once on fuel (current levels approaching
£1.00/litre) and once more on "road tax" discs of up to £160/year
(depending on emission levels). Now they want to tax us yet again per
mile driven.

(Anyone who thinks that after they've imposed road pricing they'll remove
either or both of the other taxes is sadly misguided...)


Ivor

Yes....That's because GB is basically a socialist state....Be thankful
that the government doesn't take all of your money away and dribble back
the food, clothing, and housing that they think you should have.....It
seems that Robin Hood has become the national norm....
Not that I am gloating, or anything like that...We are fast becoming
the same....Hillary would nationalize all the doctors and other health
personnel and make it a state owned and run industry....Then you will be
able to choose any doctor you want as long as his name is, "---- ----",
and go to any hospital you want as long as it's "Hillary General".....:^)

And, if you are a republican capitalist like me, they would come out to the
waiting room and tell my wife...."I'm sorry, but your husband didn't survive
the operation....."

"William Graham" wrote in message
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"Ivor Jones" wrote in message
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"William Graham" wrote in message

"Sean Black" wrote in
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[snip]

Nope, what they have in mind is fitting a "black box"
to every car, tracking when and where it goes and
charging per mile, at varying rates (depending on type
of road/time of day etc...) and billing you. A few
pence a mile for smaller roads at off-peak times,
rising to (I've heard) £1.34 (something over $2) per
mile on motorways at peak times. Leaving aside the whole Big Brother
aspect of having
all your movements tracked, if they bring that in at
those sort of prices, there'll be plenty of people that
wouldn't be able to afford to go to work, even if they
wanted to (me included).

Taxes on gasoline do the same thing, and much more
easily....Besides, they encourage driving vehicles that
get better mileage, too......The smaller and lighter and
more efficient your vehicle, the less you have to pay,
and this is as it should be, because the less wear and
tear on the roads, and the less pollution you emit into
the air, too. Why mess with a system as good as this?
Here in the US, people are still driving their huge SUV's
around, but then gasoline is still very cheap. It was 20 cents a
gallon back in 1950, and now, some 50 years later, when
it should be over $5.00 a gallon, it is still only $3.00
a gallon....So, people are complaining about
nothing........

Come over here to the UK, it *is* over $5 a gallon, *well* over. Plus we
get taxed twice over; once on fuel (current levels approaching
£1.00/litre) and once more on "road tax" discs of up to £160/year
(depending on emission levels). Now they want to tax us yet again per
mile driven.

(Anyone who thinks that after they've imposed road pricing they'll remove
either or both of the other taxes is sadly misguided...)


Ivor

Yes....That's because GB is basically a socialist state....Be thankful
that the government doesn't take all of your money away and dribble back
the food, clothing, and housing that they think you should have.....It
seems that Robin Hood has become the national norm....
Not that I am gloating, or anything like that...We are fast becoming
the same....Hillary would nationalize all the doctors and other health
personnel and make it a state owned and run industry....Then you will be
able to choose any doctor you want as long as his name is, "---- ----",
and go to any hospital you want as long as it's "Hillary General".....:^)


Worse yet, Hillary learned from her mistakes 14 years ago, when she
failed to impose Hillary-Care on the country. This time around it will
be much more difficult to derail her plans for socialized medicine in
America. When the hell is Fred Thompson going to throw his hat in
the ring? Better yet, American needs Zell Miller to come down out
of the north Georgia mountains and quit fishing his last days away.
America needs the old Georgia marine to fight one more battle for his
country.

"If you don't give our boys the equipment and support they
need to fight, what do you expect for them to do, throw spitballs at
the enemy"? - U.S. Senator Zell Miller's reply to the
neo-liberal leftists of CNN when they questioned the military
budget.

On Tue 10 Jul 2007 05:19:16p, William Graham wrote in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav
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Taxes on gasoline do the same thing, and much more
easily....Besides, they encourage driving vehicles that get
better mileage, too......The smaller and lighter and more
efficient your vehicle, the less you have to pay, and this is as
it should be, because the less wear and tear on the roads, and
the less pollution you emit into the air, too. Why mess with a
system as good as this?
Here in the US, people are still driving their huge SUV's
around, but
then gasoline is still very cheap. It was 20 cents a gallon back
in 1950, and now, some 50 years later, when it should be over
$5.00 a gallon, it is still only $3.00 a gallon....So, people
are complaining about nothing........

My comment about driving bigger vehicles now is because there are
so many of them, if you drive a small car and get smashed into,
you're toast. I went from a small pickup truck to a big pickup
truck and noticed that people acually think twice about pulling in
front of you when they can see you in their mirror (if they care to
look). I drive the Capital Beltway
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_Beltway) every day and I
would never drive a small economy car.

--
Cheryl

"Cheryl" wrote in message
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On Tue 10 Jul 2007 05:19:16p, William Graham wrote in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav
:

Taxes on gasoline do the same thing, and much more
easily....Besides, they encourage driving vehicles that get
better mileage, too......The smaller and lighter and more
efficient your vehicle, the less you have to pay, and this is as
it should be, because the less wear and tear on the roads, and
the less pollution you emit into the air, too. Why mess with a
system as good as this?
Here in the US, people are still driving their huge SUV's
around, but
then gasoline is still very cheap. It was 20 cents a gallon back
in 1950, and now, some 50 years later, when it should be over
$5.00 a gallon, it is still only $3.00 a gallon....So, people
are complaining about nothing........

My comment about driving bigger vehicles now is because there are
so many of them, if you drive a small car and get smashed into,
you're toast. I went from a small pickup truck to a big pickup
truck and noticed that people acually think twice about pulling in
front of you when they can see you in their mirror (if they care to
look). I drive the Capital Beltway
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_Beltway) every day and I
would never drive a small economy car.

--
Cheryl


You should drive whatever you want within your budget.....I have never liked
big cars....I owned an MG-A in my youth, and it was the nicest, best
handling car I ever drove....The Brits made lots of nice sports cars in
those days, but the unions ruined most of those firms, and today, the only
British cars that have survived are the "boats" like we have here in the
US. - If I buy a new car today, it will probably be a Miata. I remember the
Jaguar XK-E....What a beautiful machine! I was going to buy one when I got
enough money....But by the time I had the money they were
discontinued........The Lotus Elite was another one....Just like my MG-A,
but all leather and with a powerful engine....Again, gone by the time I
could afford one. Today, all I can buy are boats like the Queen Mary....With
whistles that you have to blow 4 times whenever you pull away from the
curb....:^)

In message , William
Graham writes

"Ivor Jones" wrote in message
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"William Graham" wrote in message

"Sean Black" wrote in
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[snip]

Nope, what they have in mind is fitting a "black box"
to every car, tracking when and where it goes and
charging per mile, at varying rates (depending on type
of road/time of day etc...) and billing you. A few
pence a mile for smaller roads at off-peak times,
rising to (I've heard) £1.34 (something over $2) per
mile on motorways at peak times. Leaving aside the whole Big Brother
aspect of having
all your movements tracked, if they bring that in at
those sort of prices, there'll be plenty of people that
wouldn't be able to afford to go to work, even if they
wanted to (me included).

Taxes on gasoline do the same thing, and much more
easily....Besides, they encourage driving vehicles that
get better mileage, too......The smaller and lighter and
more efficient your vehicle, the less you have to pay,
and this is as it should be, because the less wear and
tear on the roads, and the less pollution you emit into
the air, too. Why mess with a system as good as this?
Here in the US, people are still driving their huge SUV's
around, but then gasoline is still very cheap. It was 20 cents a
gallon back in 1950, and now, some 50 years later, when
it should be over $5.00 a gallon, it is still only $3.00
a gallon....So, people are complaining about
nothing........

Come over here to the UK, it *is* over $5 a gallon, *well* over. Plus we
get taxed twice over; once on fuel (current levels approaching
£1.00/litre) and once more on "road tax" discs of up to £160/year
(depending on emission levels). Now they want to tax us yet again per mile
driven.

(Anyone who thinks that after they've imposed road pricing they'll remove
either or both of the other taxes is sadly misguided...)


Ivor

Yes....That's because GB is basically a socialist state....Be thankful that
the government doesn't take all of your money away and dribble back the
food, clothing, and housing that they think you should have.....It seems
that Robin Hood has become the national norm....

It's certainly heading that way, don't worry about that. Just about
every day you look in the paper they're finding something else to tax
:-(

If I could afford to, I'd sell up and move abroad like a shot.
--
Sean Black

Here we go again another newbie starts a thread. Someone says keep your
cats in or out and this BS debate of inside or out starts again. And all of
you jump on the band wagon it is getting pretty pathetic that you all do
this. And now with the cross posting it gets even worse.

Would you all get over it People over seas have a different view point you
will never change it. People here have a different view point you will never
change it. You can't debate or even discuss it rational as past threads and
this one have proven time and time again. You all ended up acting like how
do the British say it a bunch of *******.


Forget about who started it!! The morons who keep carrying on about
it and keep it going are the ones to complain about.

If you do not like a subject let it be without replying to it and it
will die. If you keep replying to it them you have no right to
complain about it 'cause you are as much to blame as the person that
started it.




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"....Baldoni @googlemail.com" baldoniXXVnil wrote in message
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Matthew brought next idea :
Here we go again another newbie starts a thread. Someone says keep your
cats in or out and this BS debate of inside or out starts again. And all
of you jump on the band wagon it is getting pretty pathetic that you all
do this. And now with the cross posting it gets even worse.

Would you all get over it People over seas have a different view point
you will never change it. People here have a different view point you
will never change it. You can't debate or even discuss it rational as
past threads and this one have proven time and time again. You all ended
up acting like how do the British say it a bunch of *******.

Don't get me wrong here mate but the post was about a guy wasting his time
with a petition that cats should be made to wear bells. If people want to
rack on about cats being kept in or out that is not of consequence to me
and is not done on my account. :-)

--
Count Baldoni

Actually I need to apologize to you. I didn't mean it was you it was meant
in general. My apologies.

This yell feast just happened two weeks ago than less than a month before
that. It always starts from a newbie ( not you but in general ), it gets
cross posted and the bandwagon starts. Some how it starts someone says in,
someone says out. Than the control freaks; the ones that have to be right
and just want to argue no matter what. The ones that need medication and
the trolls come out beyond belief.

It tears the group up. This topic is just as bad as the declawing issue if
not worse. You can always tell hen school is out for the summer.

So I hope you accept the apology

Matthew wrote :
"....Baldoni @googlemail.com" baldoniXXVnil wrote in message
...
Matthew brought next idea :
Here we go again another newbie starts a thread. Someone says keep your
cats in or out and this BS debate of inside or out starts again. And all
of you jump on the band wagon it is getting pretty pathetic that you all
do this. And now with the cross posting it gets even worse.

Would you all get over it People over seas have a different view point
you will never change it. People here have a different view point you
will never change it. You can't debate or even discuss it rational as
past threads and this one have proven time and time again. You all ended
up acting like how do the British say it a bunch of *******.

Don't get me wrong here mate but the post was about a guy wasting his time
with a petition that cats should be made to wear bells. If people want to
rack on about cats being kept in or out that is not of consequence to me
and is not done on my account. :-)

-- Count Baldoni

Actually I need to apologize to you. I didn't mean it was you it was meant
in general. My apologies.

This yell feast just happened two weeks ago than less than a month before
that. It always starts from a newbie ( not you but in general ), it gets
cross posted and the bandwagon starts. Some how it starts someone says in,
someone says out. Than the control freaks; the ones that have to be right
and just want to argue no matter what. The ones that need medication and the
trolls come out beyond belief.

It tears the group up. This topic is just as bad as the declawing issue if
not worse. You can always tell hen school is out for the summer.

So I hope you accept the apology

No problem at all apology accepted.

--
Count Baldoni