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On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 16:52:22 +0000, Gwenhwyfaer de Tierveil
wrote: Quoth Bob Brenchley.: You're making that claim - prove it. Jacqueline has offered evidence for hers. Strange, I've seen no evidence which carries any weight from her. You've refused all offers of documentary evidence. If you're going to claim there's nothing to see, it's more believable if you have your eyes open at the time. There is no evidence to see. Given her stance, that she has had healthy cats placed in her care by Cats Protection, with CP knowing in advance that she will be keeping them indoors 24/7, we are left with only two alternatives that fit reality. Either she is lying and the cats are not normal healthy cats, or she is just trolling (another form of lying). No we're not left with two alternatives; we're left with at least 5 other ones: (a) she may have a mansion, in which case the floor space indoors is probably larger than most cats will have access to outdoors. Irrelevant, it is still indoors. (b) her local office may differ from the norm in policy. No, policy is set higher up. (c) your local office may differ from the norm in policy. See above. (d) the cats have been kept indoors all their life, they're about 5, and whilst perfectly happy and healthy, they're timid. If they have been kept in all there lives they would go to someone experience in handling such cases. Someone like me. It can take months to build an older cat's confidence in the outside world, but the results are so rewarding I'm happy to spend whatever time is needed. (e) the cats consistently refused to leave the house, so she gave up trying to persuade them. That would be a sign of mental illness that needs treating. See above. You may be short of imagination, Bob, but don't try and project it onto us as absolute truth. You're not in possession of that, and neither is anyone else. You have a very vivid imagination, but not one that fits very well with the real world. *sigh* I remember when you started posting here... you seemed so amusing, so promising... What happened, Bob? What happened? Several years of dealing with lying animal abusing trolls. ...and as far as I can see, that constitutes the majority the newsgroup. Ever wonder about that, Bob? Ever stop to think that just perhaps a newsgroup does not find itself populated almost exclusively by lying trolls - especially not lying trolls who seem perfectly capable of getting on with everyone else in the newsgroup and not insisting that their opinions are fact - until you, the vessel of ultimate revelation, arrives to set it to rights? Ever considered that just perhaps it might be you that's in the wrong? You will find that there are a lot of other cat lovers out there, and most of them will confirm all that I've said. -- Bob. I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in public. |
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On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 19:41:27 +0000, Bob Brenchley.
wrote: On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 14:08:23 +0000, Jacqueline wrote: Your facts are out of date. No, they are bang up to date. Sorry troll, you lost. Er, I don't think so matey. |
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On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 19:41:27 +0000, Bob Brenchley.
wrote: On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 14:08:23 +0000, Jacqueline wrote: Your facts are out of date. No, they are bang up to date. Sorry troll, you lost. Er, I don't think so matey. |
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On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 19:46:34 +0000, Bob Brenchley.
wrote: On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 16:42:09 +0000, Gwenhwyfaer de Tierveil wrote: Quoth Bob Brenchley.: There is no evidence needed, you have proved by your words that you are either a liar or a troll. There we are. A clear offer of evidence refused. There is no evidence needed, she has already proved herself a liar and a troll. The only 'proof' is you insulting me, that's not proof, that's you being an arse. One can only assume you're not a very educated man. I'd like to have seen you at school/college/uni - 'no sir, I don't need to produce evidence, I'm right and everybody else is wrong, and you're all liars for contradicting me' !! No, Bob, it doesn't work like that. When someone very clearly has a quite different opinion and experience than you, it verges on the sociopathic to just start calling them a liar. When someone claims something you know to be untrue it is quite normal to call them a liar. But what I say is not untrue so your insult is misappropriate. Saying "that's not my experience" is perfectly acceptable, because it allows for the difference - saying "you're a liar" without a full investigation only demonstrates that you regard any experience differing from your own as non-existent, In this case it is. She was given ample opportunity to back out of the hole she was digging, but eventually you just have to fill it in. *sigh* I'm not digging anything. For the millionth time, I can offer you evidence of my experience - you choose to ignore it. That's not my fault. |
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On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 19:46:34 +0000, Bob Brenchley.
wrote: On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 16:42:09 +0000, Gwenhwyfaer de Tierveil wrote: Quoth Bob Brenchley.: There is no evidence needed, you have proved by your words that you are either a liar or a troll. There we are. A clear offer of evidence refused. There is no evidence needed, she has already proved herself a liar and a troll. The only 'proof' is you insulting me, that's not proof, that's you being an arse. One can only assume you're not a very educated man. I'd like to have seen you at school/college/uni - 'no sir, I don't need to produce evidence, I'm right and everybody else is wrong, and you're all liars for contradicting me' !! No, Bob, it doesn't work like that. When someone very clearly has a quite different opinion and experience than you, it verges on the sociopathic to just start calling them a liar. When someone claims something you know to be untrue it is quite normal to call them a liar. But what I say is not untrue so your insult is misappropriate. Saying "that's not my experience" is perfectly acceptable, because it allows for the difference - saying "you're a liar" without a full investigation only demonstrates that you regard any experience differing from your own as non-existent, In this case it is. She was given ample opportunity to back out of the hole she was digging, but eventually you just have to fill it in. *sigh* I'm not digging anything. For the millionth time, I can offer you evidence of my experience - you choose to ignore it. That's not my fault. |
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On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 21:03:45 +0000, Jacqueline
wrote: In this case it is. She was given ample opportunity to back out of the hole she was digging, but eventually you just have to fill it in. *sigh* I'm not digging anything. For the millionth time, I can offer you evidence of my experience - you choose to ignore it. That's not my fault. I ignore it because I trust my own experience, and those of EVERY single person I've come across who has ever worked with cats in the UK, over a lying troll like you on usenet. -- Bob. Alas, your intelligence qualifies you more for the primordial soup than for the "master race." Recognize your limitations. Then shut up. |
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On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 21:03:45 +0000, Jacqueline
wrote: In this case it is. She was given ample opportunity to back out of the hole she was digging, but eventually you just have to fill it in. *sigh* I'm not digging anything. For the millionth time, I can offer you evidence of my experience - you choose to ignore it. That's not my fault. I ignore it because I trust my own experience, and those of EVERY single person I've come across who has ever worked with cats in the UK, over a lying troll like you on usenet. -- Bob. Alas, your intelligence qualifies you more for the primordial soup than for the "master race." Recognize your limitations. Then shut up. |
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On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 19:51:58 +0000, Bob Brenchley.
wrote: On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 16:52:22 +0000, Gwenhwyfaer de Tierveil wrote: Quoth Bob Brenchley.: You're making that claim - prove it. Jacqueline has offered evidence for hers. Strange, I've seen no evidence which carries any weight from her. You've refused all offers of documentary evidence. If you're going to claim there's nothing to see, it's more believable if you have your eyes open at the time. There is no evidence to see. lol! Yeah, ok. (a) she may have a mansion, in which case the floor space indoors is probably larger than most cats will have access to outdoors. Irrelevant, it is still indoors. (b) her local office may differ from the norm in policy. No, policy is set higher up. Go tell that to my local branch then. (d) the cats have been kept indoors all their life, they're about 5, and whilst perfectly happy and healthy, they're timid. If they have been kept in all there lives they would go to someone experience in handling such cases. Someone like me. It can take months to build an older cat's confidence in the outside world, but the results are so rewarding I'm happy to spend whatever time is needed. Gosh, it almost sounded like you actually cared about animals there. Then again, judging by your other posts, I suspect you're making that lot up to make it seem like you know what you're talking about. |
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On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 19:51:58 +0000, Bob Brenchley.
wrote: On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 16:52:22 +0000, Gwenhwyfaer de Tierveil wrote: Quoth Bob Brenchley.: You're making that claim - prove it. Jacqueline has offered evidence for hers. Strange, I've seen no evidence which carries any weight from her. You've refused all offers of documentary evidence. If you're going to claim there's nothing to see, it's more believable if you have your eyes open at the time. There is no evidence to see. lol! Yeah, ok. (a) she may have a mansion, in which case the floor space indoors is probably larger than most cats will have access to outdoors. Irrelevant, it is still indoors. (b) her local office may differ from the norm in policy. No, policy is set higher up. Go tell that to my local branch then. (d) the cats have been kept indoors all their life, they're about 5, and whilst perfectly happy and healthy, they're timid. If they have been kept in all there lives they would go to someone experience in handling such cases. Someone like me. It can take months to build an older cat's confidence in the outside world, but the results are so rewarding I'm happy to spend whatever time is needed. Gosh, it almost sounded like you actually cared about animals there. Then again, judging by your other posts, I suspect you're making that lot up to make it seem like you know what you're talking about. |
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On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 21:16:03 +0000, Bob Brenchley.
wrote: On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 21:03:45 +0000, Jacqueline wrote: In this case it is. She was given ample opportunity to back out of the hole she was digging, but eventually you just have to fill it in. *sigh* I'm not digging anything. For the millionth time, I can offer you evidence of my experience - you choose to ignore it. That's not my fault. I ignore it because I trust my own experience, and those of EVERY single person I've come across who has ever worked with cats in the UK, Then you're only seeing what you want to see. I've owned cats, I've worked with cats, I've had umpteen years of experience with a particular branch of a national UK charity - and my experience differs from yours. If you weren't so closed-minded you might actually learn something. Instead of insulting me you could actually try and have a conversation and learn something about my experiences. But no, you'd rather dismiss something you disagree with out of hand and that's that. You know nothing about me or my work, yet you take it upon yourself to make assumptions and cast aspersions on the validity of my argument. Sorry, but it's obvious who's the: "lying troll like you on usenet." |
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