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"Cathy Friedmann" wrote
I'm speaking about a breed of dog that I know and have raised for many years, the Newfoundland. Newfs, forty years ago, had a lifespan between 16-20 years. There lifespan now is an average of 8 years. My last one was 14 when he died and this was considered "very old" for a Newf. Could this largely have to do w/ inbreeding & (too) strict breed standards, perhaps? (Not just w/Newfoundlands - any particular dog breed that has a relatively short life span.) As far as I know there has been very little inbreeding with the Newfs, this is one thing that has been kept very well under control with this particular breed. Other breeds, I'm not sure of. I've had cats for over 30 years. Up until 14 years ago my cats were fed commercial pet food. None of my cats lived past the age of 12 and had one problem after another through their life. I've also had cats for just over 30 years - since June '73. My cats, otoh, have all been fed commercial food - premium since '91, & have so far lived to be 16 & 17 (almost 18). My current cats are 11 & just 4. For every story on one side of the table one is liable to find a story on the other side of the table.. As I have mentioned in a previous post, the cats three cats I have now are ages 11, 12 and 28 years. A year ago I lost the brother of my 28 year old and that was basically do to kidney failure, something that can be expected when a cat is 27 years old. Cathy |
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"Cathy Friedmann" wrote
I'm speaking about a breed of dog that I know and have raised for many years, the Newfoundland. Newfs, forty years ago, had a lifespan between 16-20 years. There lifespan now is an average of 8 years. My last one was 14 when he died and this was considered "very old" for a Newf. Could this largely have to do w/ inbreeding & (too) strict breed standards, perhaps? (Not just w/Newfoundlands - any particular dog breed that has a relatively short life span.) As far as I know there has been very little inbreeding with the Newfs, this is one thing that has been kept very well under control with this particular breed. Other breeds, I'm not sure of. I've had cats for over 30 years. Up until 14 years ago my cats were fed commercial pet food. None of my cats lived past the age of 12 and had one problem after another through their life. I've also had cats for just over 30 years - since June '73. My cats, otoh, have all been fed commercial food - premium since '91, & have so far lived to be 16 & 17 (almost 18). My current cats are 11 & just 4. For every story on one side of the table one is liable to find a story on the other side of the table.. As I have mentioned in a previous post, the cats three cats I have now are ages 11, 12 and 28 years. A year ago I lost the brother of my 28 year old and that was basically do to kidney failure, something that can be expected when a cat is 27 years old. Cathy |
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(Ann Martin) wrote in message . com...
(Steve Crane) wrote Sorry that the discussion is freaking you out but people have to question what is being used in the foods they are feeding their pets. I've talked to many people, including veterinarians that practiced forty years ago and they did not see the problems in pets that we are seeing now. If you have a relative that is older ask them what they fed their pets prior to the growth of the pet food industry and then ask them how many illnesses their pets had and how long these pets lived. Here we go again with unsubstantiated myths, based on "opinions" and completely devoid of facts. Pets are living today *FAR* longer than they ever did in the past. Perhaps you would like to substantiate these facts. Seeing you feel other people are wrong and you are always right, show us these facts. Good chance these facts come from the pet food industry, not any reputable source. Actually the way it works is when someone makes an outlandish ridiculous claim like yours at the top, that person is responsible for proving the claim. I diagree with your claim and I'm asking for proof, not internet fantasy inuuendo, show me some population demographics that prove your point. You made the original claim now prove it with hard facts and hard studies, not just your OPINION. To insinuate otherwise is completely false. There are a number of reasons for this, better veterinary care, better vaccines, and better foods. All of which are resposnible for cats and dogs living much longer than they ever did before. Better vaccines, over vaccination, and now we are seeing tumors at injection sites, higher rates of autoimmune disease which can be attributed to vaccinations. And we are not seeing distemper in cats, panleuk in cats, lepto in cats etc etc. Obviously you haven't been around long enough to have seen the cats dying of these diseases. A great many more cats died of those diseases in a single year than have ever died as a result of vaccine induced fibrosarcomas. Perhaps you'd rather go back to the dark ages and have 25% mortality in cats as a result of untreatable disease instead of the current 0.000001% which may be dying of vaccine induced disease. Better foods are made by small companies that are using quality ingredients. So far you haven't shown us a single such food. Halo as we have discovered is junk science at best. The owners can't even give you a mineral analysis of thier own food for crying out loud. |
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Aha! Very interesting fact...
Kirsten "NOSPAM" wrote in message ... From: Steve wrote: I have NEVER hidden my employment in any way. I do periodically post a note on this and couple other NG's that I frequent. In all the time I've read this newsgroup I can recall only one time that you posted that you worked for Hills on your own without someone else pointing it out first. You never say you do unless someone brings it up first. I remember when I first started reading posts in this newsgroup and came across Steve Crane's posts. I always wondered why he so highly recommended HIll's foods, but I just figured he liked them. I had no idea he actually worked for Hill's until it was pointed out to me. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm Lauren _________ =^..^= See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe To Error is Human, To be Purrfect is Feline |
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Aha! Very interesting fact...
Kirsten "NOSPAM" wrote in message ... From: Steve wrote: I have NEVER hidden my employment in any way. I do periodically post a note on this and couple other NG's that I frequent. In all the time I've read this newsgroup I can recall only one time that you posted that you worked for Hills on your own without someone else pointing it out first. You never say you do unless someone brings it up first. I remember when I first started reading posts in this newsgroup and came across Steve Crane's posts. I always wondered why he so highly recommended HIll's foods, but I just figured he liked them. I had no idea he actually worked for Hill's until it was pointed out to me. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm Lauren _________ =^..^= See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe To Error is Human, To be Purrfect is Feline |
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You can't be so stupid as to say that this is not a
harmful drug given the fact that it is used to euthanize animals. Ann, can you get through a post where someone disagrees w/ you w/o insulting them? Why are you so mean and nasty? Can't take a little criticism? At the same time you completely ignore the number two killer of cats in this country. KIDNEY diesase. Phosphorus is a critical factor in renal failure. Andy why are we seeing so many cats die from kidney disease? Could it be from the garbage foods they are being fed? Could it be that pet food companies are more interested in selling foods that consumers "react to" while focused on ingredients? Perhaps they should be more concerned w/ studying nutrition and then formulating foods that achieve the desired nutrient profile. Worrying about ingredients only is about the equivilent of being in kindergarten. Why don't you graduate to high school or college and start worrying about nutrients? Oh, I keep forgetting...that doesn't sell books for you. Perhaps you are not concerned but others are and they are not concerned that the food contain the nutrients as you keep pushing. ....and that's exactly why pet food companies won't ever change. They know that the vast majority of people don't understand nutrition, yet have a knee-jerk emotional reaction (something you make your own monies off of--just like the pet food companies) about ingredients. So they worry about what ingredients SOUND GOOD and not about what that food will do nutritionally for the pet. They are concerned that they are feeding foods that don't contain the garbage ingredients, ingredients that will ultimately lead to the very thing you describe, kidney disease. Ann, you are so ignorant here. Ingredients don't matter as much as you think. The nutrients IN THE INGREDIENTS matter. And phosphorus seems to be the main thing on your mind. Try checking a few of the ingredients. Because phosphorus (and calcium, along w/ magnesium, sodium, etc.) is a key nutrient to be concerned about. You need a reality check, Ann. The dead dogs and cats that you allege are a major problem in pet foods don't even come close to the hundreds (or more) of foods on the market that are excessively high in nutrients. You can't argue that at all so you just insult and try to change the subject. |
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