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  #411  
Old August 31st 03, 04:23 PM
GAUBSTER2
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You can't be so stupid as to say that this is not a
harmful drug given the fact that it is used to euthanize animals.


Ann, can you get through a post where someone disagrees w/ you w/o insulting
them? Why are you so mean and nasty? Can't take a little criticism?

At the same time you completely ignore the number two killer of cats
in this country. KIDNEY diesase. Phosphorus is a critical factor in
renal failure.


Andy why are we seeing so many cats die from kidney disease? Could it
be from the garbage foods they are being fed?


Could it be that pet food companies are more interested in selling foods that
consumers "react to" while focused on ingredients? Perhaps they should be more
concerned w/ studying nutrition and then formulating foods that achieve the
desired nutrient profile. Worrying about ingredients only is about the
equivilent of being in kindergarten. Why don't you graduate to high school or
college and start worrying about nutrients? Oh, I keep forgetting...that
doesn't sell books for you.

Perhaps you are not concerned but others are and they are not
concerned that the food contain the nutrients as you keep pushing.


....and that's exactly why pet food companies won't ever change. They know that
the vast majority of people don't understand nutrition, yet have a knee-jerk
emotional reaction (something you make your own monies off of--just like the
pet food companies) about ingredients. So they worry about what ingredients
SOUND GOOD and not about what that food will do nutritionally for the pet.

They are concerned that they are feeding foods that don't contain the
garbage ingredients, ingredients that will ultimately lead to the very
thing you describe, kidney disease.


Ann, you are so ignorant here. Ingredients don't matter as much as you think.
The nutrients IN THE INGREDIENTS matter.

And phosphorus seems to be the main thing on your mind. Try checking
a few of the ingredients.


Because phosphorus (and calcium, along w/ magnesium, sodium, etc.) is a key
nutrient to be concerned about. You need a reality check, Ann. The dead dogs
and cats that you allege are a major problem in pet foods don't even come close
to the hundreds (or more) of foods on the market that are excessively high in
nutrients. You can't argue that at all so you just insult and try to change
the subject.
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Old August 31st 03, 08:19 PM
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Lots of stuff snipped

Warmest regards,
Andi


If this lady is in charge of formulating Halo foods, then I would NEVER
recommend buying any of their products. She has absolutely NO IDEA about
nutrition whatsover. She tells people that the protein, etc. numbers don't
matter??!! The ONLY thing that matters is the ingredients??!! That is
completely irresponsible!! I am incredulous that she would admit such a thing!

As for the "garbage" used in Hill's products--by making such a statement
yourself shows that you don't have even an elementary understanding of small
animal nutrition or of the legacy and history of Hill's and what they are all
about.



Hi Ann,
I have no idea about what's being said here. Is this message
referring to
us? I haven't spoken with anyone about percentages of minerals, etc.
in
months. Is this person saying that he spoke with someone (staff
member) in
my office? I know that I haven't been in my office in a week.
We have our food analyzed many times a year to make sure that we're
always
in compliance and if this guy spoke to anyone in my office, what we
try to
let people know is that often times the "numbers" are not what's key,
but
the quality of the ingredients and their proportions are what really
matters.
We have ALWAYS said that the sources of ingredients are the most
important
thing.
i.e.: If a commercial pet food company needs to "boost" their protein
levels, they could conceivably add more hair! If higher fiber is
required,
companies may choose to use peanut hulls. (Hills does). So many
people are
concerned that our protein is "too high" or in other cases "too low",
(depending on the point their veterinarian is trying to make) but I
have
always told our staff that it's neither high, nor low, - but
assimilable as
it's coming from a high quality protein source - that the body can use
and
eliminate gracefully. As far as the calcium is concerned, it would be
fabulous if we were actually using the entire chicken (bones and all),
but
since we make our food in a USDA Kitchen - we cannot bring bones into
the
plant. It's against the law. Wish we could, because then we wouldn't
have
to add any calcium lactate.
Thanks for bringing this situation to my attention. Our goal is to
make
this world a better place and to help the animals and the people who
love
them.
Warmest regards,
Andi



  #415  
Old August 31st 03, 08:19 PM
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Lots of stuff snipped

Warmest regards,
Andi


If this lady is in charge of formulating Halo foods, then I would NEVER
recommend buying any of their products. She has absolutely NO IDEA about
nutrition whatsover. She tells people that the protein, etc. numbers don't
matter??!! The ONLY thing that matters is the ingredients??!! That is
completely irresponsible!! I am incredulous that she would admit such a thing!

As for the "garbage" used in Hill's products--by making such a statement
yourself shows that you don't have even an elementary understanding of small
animal nutrition or of the legacy and history of Hill's and what they are all
about.



Hi Ann,
I have no idea about what's being said here. Is this message
referring to
us? I haven't spoken with anyone about percentages of minerals, etc.
in
months. Is this person saying that he spoke with someone (staff
member) in
my office? I know that I haven't been in my office in a week.
We have our food analyzed many times a year to make sure that we're
always
in compliance and if this guy spoke to anyone in my office, what we
try to
let people know is that often times the "numbers" are not what's key,
but
the quality of the ingredients and their proportions are what really
matters.
We have ALWAYS said that the sources of ingredients are the most
important
thing.
i.e.: If a commercial pet food company needs to "boost" their protein
levels, they could conceivably add more hair! If higher fiber is
required,
companies may choose to use peanut hulls. (Hills does). So many
people are
concerned that our protein is "too high" or in other cases "too low",
(depending on the point their veterinarian is trying to make) but I
have
always told our staff that it's neither high, nor low, - but
assimilable as
it's coming from a high quality protein source - that the body can use
and
eliminate gracefully. As far as the calcium is concerned, it would be
fabulous if we were actually using the entire chicken (bones and all),
but
since we make our food in a USDA Kitchen - we cannot bring bones into
the
plant. It's against the law. Wish we could, because then we wouldn't
have
to add any calcium lactate.
Thanks for bringing this situation to my attention. Our goal is to
make
this world a better place and to help the animals and the people who
love
them.
Warmest regards,
Andi



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Old September 1st 03, 11:45 PM
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No, she said the "most" important thing is the "quality" of ingredients and
the
"proportions" thereof.


That is NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING when it comes to actual (you know)
nutrition! Nutrients are more important than ingredients. You can use the
most desirable ingredients in the world, but if the nutrient balance is "off",
then that puts the cat at risk for various problems.

But the whole point of the email from Halo is that Steve Crane was lying
about talking to them. Steve Crane who works for Hill's lied about another
pet
food company. What does that tell you?


Steve didn't mention exactly WHOM he spoke with. I do see that you are quick
to judge. That tells me that you are a Hill's basher and that you are quick to
jump to anti-Hill's conclusions when you don't have all of the facts.
  #419  
Old September 1st 03, 11:45 PM
GAUBSTER2
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No, she said the "most" important thing is the "quality" of ingredients and
the
"proportions" thereof.


That is NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING when it comes to actual (you know)
nutrition! Nutrients are more important than ingredients. You can use the
most desirable ingredients in the world, but if the nutrient balance is "off",
then that puts the cat at risk for various problems.

But the whole point of the email from Halo is that Steve Crane was lying
about talking to them. Steve Crane who works for Hill's lied about another
pet
food company. What does that tell you?


Steve didn't mention exactly WHOM he spoke with. I do see that you are quick
to judge. That tells me that you are a Hill's basher and that you are quick to
jump to anti-Hill's conclusions when you don't have all of the facts.
 




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