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You can't be so stupid as to say that this is not a
harmful drug given the fact that it is used to euthanize animals. Ann, can you get through a post where someone disagrees w/ you w/o insulting them? Why are you so mean and nasty? Can't take a little criticism? At the same time you completely ignore the number two killer of cats in this country. KIDNEY diesase. Phosphorus is a critical factor in renal failure. Andy why are we seeing so many cats die from kidney disease? Could it be from the garbage foods they are being fed? Could it be that pet food companies are more interested in selling foods that consumers "react to" while focused on ingredients? Perhaps they should be more concerned w/ studying nutrition and then formulating foods that achieve the desired nutrient profile. Worrying about ingredients only is about the equivilent of being in kindergarten. Why don't you graduate to high school or college and start worrying about nutrients? Oh, I keep forgetting...that doesn't sell books for you. Perhaps you are not concerned but others are and they are not concerned that the food contain the nutrients as you keep pushing. ....and that's exactly why pet food companies won't ever change. They know that the vast majority of people don't understand nutrition, yet have a knee-jerk emotional reaction (something you make your own monies off of--just like the pet food companies) about ingredients. So they worry about what ingredients SOUND GOOD and not about what that food will do nutritionally for the pet. They are concerned that they are feeding foods that don't contain the garbage ingredients, ingredients that will ultimately lead to the very thing you describe, kidney disease. Ann, you are so ignorant here. Ingredients don't matter as much as you think. The nutrients IN THE INGREDIENTS matter. And phosphorus seems to be the main thing on your mind. Try checking a few of the ingredients. Because phosphorus (and calcium, along w/ magnesium, sodium, etc.) is a key nutrient to be concerned about. You need a reality check, Ann. The dead dogs and cats that you allege are a major problem in pet foods don't even come close to the hundreds (or more) of foods on the market that are excessively high in nutrients. You can't argue that at all so you just insult and try to change the subject. |
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From: "k conover"
"NOSPAM" wrote in message ... From: Steve wrote: I have NEVER hidden my employment in any way. I do periodically post a note on this and couple other NG's that I frequent. In all the time I've read this newsgroup I can recall only one time that you posted that you worked for Hills on your own without someone else pointing it out first. You never say you do unless someone brings it up first. I remember when I first started reading posts in this newsgroup and came across Steve Crane's posts. I always wondered why he so highly recommended HIll's foods, but I just figured he liked them. I had no idea he actually worked for Hill's until it was pointed out to me. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm Lauren _________ =^..^= See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe To Error is Human, To be Purrfect is Feline Aha! Very interesting fact... Kirsten Yep, it sure is. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm |
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Lots of stuff snipped
Warmest regards, Andi If this lady is in charge of formulating Halo foods, then I would NEVER recommend buying any of their products. She has absolutely NO IDEA about nutrition whatsover. She tells people that the protein, etc. numbers don't matter??!! The ONLY thing that matters is the ingredients??!! That is completely irresponsible!! I am incredulous that she would admit such a thing! As for the "garbage" used in Hill's products--by making such a statement yourself shows that you don't have even an elementary understanding of small animal nutrition or of the legacy and history of Hill's and what they are all about. Hi Ann, I have no idea about what's being said here. Is this message referring to us? I haven't spoken with anyone about percentages of minerals, etc. in months. Is this person saying that he spoke with someone (staff member) in my office? I know that I haven't been in my office in a week. We have our food analyzed many times a year to make sure that we're always in compliance and if this guy spoke to anyone in my office, what we try to let people know is that often times the "numbers" are not what's key, but the quality of the ingredients and their proportions are what really matters. We have ALWAYS said that the sources of ingredients are the most important thing. i.e.: If a commercial pet food company needs to "boost" their protein levels, they could conceivably add more hair! If higher fiber is required, companies may choose to use peanut hulls. (Hills does). So many people are concerned that our protein is "too high" or in other cases "too low", (depending on the point their veterinarian is trying to make) but I have always told our staff that it's neither high, nor low, - but assimilable as it's coming from a high quality protein source - that the body can use and eliminate gracefully. As far as the calcium is concerned, it would be fabulous if we were actually using the entire chicken (bones and all), but since we make our food in a USDA Kitchen - we cannot bring bones into the plant. It's against the law. Wish we could, because then we wouldn't have to add any calcium lactate. Thanks for bringing this situation to my attention. Our goal is to make this world a better place and to help the animals and the people who love them. Warmest regards, Andi |
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Warmest regards, Andi If this lady is in charge of formulating Halo foods, then I would NEVER recommend buying any of their products. She has absolutely NO IDEA about nutrition whatsover. She tells people that the protein, etc. numbers don't matter??!! The ONLY thing that matters is the ingredients??!! That is completely irresponsible!! I am incredulous that she would admit such a thing! As for the "garbage" used in Hill's products--by making such a statement yourself shows that you don't have even an elementary understanding of small animal nutrition or of the legacy and history of Hill's and what they are all about. Hi Ann, I have no idea about what's being said here. Is this message referring to us? I haven't spoken with anyone about percentages of minerals, etc. in months. Is this person saying that he spoke with someone (staff member) in my office? I know that I haven't been in my office in a week. We have our food analyzed many times a year to make sure that we're always in compliance and if this guy spoke to anyone in my office, what we try to let people know is that often times the "numbers" are not what's key, but the quality of the ingredients and their proportions are what really matters. We have ALWAYS said that the sources of ingredients are the most important thing. i.e.: If a commercial pet food company needs to "boost" their protein levels, they could conceivably add more hair! If higher fiber is required, companies may choose to use peanut hulls. (Hills does). So many people are concerned that our protein is "too high" or in other cases "too low", (depending on the point their veterinarian is trying to make) but I have always told our staff that it's neither high, nor low, - but assimilable as it's coming from a high quality protein source - that the body can use and eliminate gracefully. As far as the calcium is concerned, it would be fabulous if we were actually using the entire chicken (bones and all), but since we make our food in a USDA Kitchen - we cannot bring bones into the plant. It's against the law. Wish we could, because then we wouldn't have to add any calcium lactate. Thanks for bringing this situation to my attention. Our goal is to make this world a better place and to help the animals and the people who love them. Warmest regards, Andi |
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From: (GAUBSTER2)
If this lady is in charge of formulating Halo foods, then I would NEVER recommend buying any of their products. She has absolutely NO IDEA about nutrition whatsover. She tells people that the protein, etc. numbers don't matter??!! The ONLY thing that matters is the ingredients??! No, she said the "most" important thing is the "quality" of ingredients and the "proportions" thereof. In other words, a properly balanced diet will be the correct numbers. She also stated that their food is analyzed several times a year. But the whole point of the email from Halo is that Steve Crane was lying about talking to them. Steve Crane who works for Hill's lied about another pet food company. What does that tell you? Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm |
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From: (GAUBSTER2)
If this lady is in charge of formulating Halo foods, then I would NEVER recommend buying any of their products. She has absolutely NO IDEA about nutrition whatsover. She tells people that the protein, etc. numbers don't matter??!! The ONLY thing that matters is the ingredients??! No, she said the "most" important thing is the "quality" of ingredients and the "proportions" thereof. In other words, a properly balanced diet will be the correct numbers. She also stated that their food is analyzed several times a year. But the whole point of the email from Halo is that Steve Crane was lying about talking to them. Steve Crane who works for Hill's lied about another pet food company. What does that tell you? Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm |
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No, she said the "most" important thing is the "quality" of ingredients and
the "proportions" thereof. That is NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING when it comes to actual (you know) nutrition! Nutrients are more important than ingredients. You can use the most desirable ingredients in the world, but if the nutrient balance is "off", then that puts the cat at risk for various problems. But the whole point of the email from Halo is that Steve Crane was lying about talking to them. Steve Crane who works for Hill's lied about another pet food company. What does that tell you? Steve didn't mention exactly WHOM he spoke with. I do see that you are quick to judge. That tells me that you are a Hill's basher and that you are quick to jump to anti-Hill's conclusions when you don't have all of the facts. |
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No, she said the "most" important thing is the "quality" of ingredients and
the "proportions" thereof. That is NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING when it comes to actual (you know) nutrition! Nutrients are more important than ingredients. You can use the most desirable ingredients in the world, but if the nutrient balance is "off", then that puts the cat at risk for various problems. But the whole point of the email from Halo is that Steve Crane was lying about talking to them. Steve Crane who works for Hill's lied about another pet food company. What does that tell you? Steve didn't mention exactly WHOM he spoke with. I do see that you are quick to judge. That tells me that you are a Hill's basher and that you are quick to jump to anti-Hill's conclusions when you don't have all of the facts. |
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From: (GAUBSTER2)
No, she said the "most" important thing is the "quality" of ingredients and the "proportions" thereof. That is NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING when it comes to actual (you know) nutrition! Nutrients are more important than ingredients. No, nutrients AND ingredients are both important. If only nutrients mattered, you could eat McDonald's hamburgers and greasy fries every day and take a multivitamins with it. Or, you could eat fresh fruits, vegetables, nuts, whole grains, etc. No which diet do you think is healthier? Don't bother answering. I can just imagine your answer, LOL ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm |
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