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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:51:55 GMT, "Philip"
wrote: Recall my stated purpose for visiting this forum. To solicit information about Bengal cats and to a lesser extent Ocicats. It was never my stated purpose to invite public debate about the merits of purebreds vs. moggies, shelter vs. breeder. Some of the ladies here are overrun by their emotions while a couple are governed by good sense. The killfile is being populated with the former. Yes, your purpose in visiting this forum was to get information, but you have also looked at hundreds of shelter cats, which suggests you want a cat of your own. Why are you having such a hard time finding the right one? Charlie |
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Good for you. Not many people will take on a problem cat. Bless
those who do. I sure won't. Never say never - lol. You may get sent one in time. We don't always choose these things - sometimes they just come along if your heart is open. Hey, brunette men are my "type". But I fell passionately in love with two pale Nordic blondes (one of whom is sitting right next to me). We don't always "choose" what comes into our life. That's the telling statement, there. You wouldn't have volunteered - nor would I, nor would most people. Yep. Given a choice, we'd probably all pick the path of least resistance. Human nature. The amazing thing is that most of the richest experiences we have come from the times we (often with great ambivalence) don't pick the easiest and most obvious option. What's the benefit (to cats in general) when healthy, non-problem cats die by the thousands? Really? I have a healthy non-problem cat. Two of them. "Problem cat" is not necessarily a permanent category - she was frightened and scared, that's all. You act as if there are two kinds of animals, good ones and bad ones. They were all healthy non-problem cats at one time, but bad things happened - almost always because of the carelessness and irresponsibility of my human species. To me, there's a fairly significant karma wheel in righting just one of those horrible mistakes. I can't stop people from treating cats like disposable garbage, but if can make it up to one of them, then that's a good thing. Benefit to one cat - so what - other cats die. Yep. And I reversed which one it was likely to be. And nothing makes me happier than to beat the odds for at least one little creature. If I didn't believe that was possible, however infrequently, then I wouldn't believe in hope. Rooting for the underdog runs deep in my makeup. To make yourself feel better? Go ahead - knock yourself out. Nah. I got a great cat out of it. Totally selfish. That little thing follows me around like non-problem cat (wonderful as she is) will NEVER do. She knows I saved her cookies and thinks I am the most wonderful human the world has ever seen. Ya can't buy that : Yeah, you saved a cat. Admirable as it is (and it is admirable), it doesn't make any difference to the cat population whether it's a pee-er, biter, healthy or whatever - one cat is one cat. Why make it harder on yourself by adopting a challenge when healthy cats die anyway? Because I was willing and I was able. And like I said, if you give a damn at all, you should do the best that you can. Effort and going the extra mile (to beat a cliche to death) are the antidote to selfishness and self centeredness. It's how we make the world a better place, in the little microcosmic ways that we can. We all have to figure out what we can do to help. You bend down to give a homeless guy a quarter, you try not to work for the despoilers of the earth, you attempt to treat other people with respect, you love your family and do your best for them even when they drive you nuts, you volunteer for worthy causes ... whatever. You do what you can to right a wrong when you see one. It all makes your individual life harder, but you do it anyway. If you like a hard case, I suppose it might be attractive. But I think by and large people who put themselves up on the pedastal for taking the hard cases do it for *themselves*. It makes themselves feel better. Honestly, I couldn't care less - I just want you to take *a* cat - doesn't matter which one. And that condemns the older ones, the ugly ones, the charmless ones , the sick ones, the frightened ones, the abandoned ones. Are they worthless? They didn't start out that way. They were cute kittens just like the rest of them, but they fell into bad situations and were *unlucky* enough to survive as "hard cases". Characterizing feeling for them as self-glorification is pretty nasty stuff. Is empathy too difficult a concept? And I really have to question the logic/mental stability of someone who willingly takes in a cat that pees all over the house because of behavioral issues. Who wants to live in cat ****? I sure don't. Thanks, but my mental stability is fine. She doesn't and didn't pee all over the house. She missed the litterbox a few times when she got startled. Eventually she realized she was safe here, for the first time in her entire life, and now she loves her litterbox and is probably the most fastidious little kitty on earth. And ya know, when my husband gets sick and vomits, (which happened a few months ago), I didn't kick him out of the house either. I cleaned it up. He leaves the tube off the toothpaste and towels on the floor sometimes, too, but he's still here : It's called living with others. There ain't no perfect humans and there ain't no perfect cats. We gotta love one another despite the flaws. "The best you can" *to you* means adopting a hard case. Fine. Lovely. I commend you. Really. "The best you can" for other people means different things. Sure. It depends on circumstances. But so often we don't do the best we can do, even when it is possible, because we love doing the easy thing, like buying a purebred kitten we are assured will meet all of our physical, temperamental and behavioral requirements. Like any living thing can or should be held to arbitrary standards and there is such a thing as a totally predictable cat. Seems easier, often doesn't turn out that way, and is a rejection of the opportunity to do something better. Personally I don't care if someone takes a biter, a pee-er, a healthy cat, a kitten or what - as long as they take if from a kill shelter. To me, that's doing "the best you can", for *anyone* wanting a cat. X number of cats are slated to die. If given a choice, I have no problem seeing a healthy cat live and a problem cat die. So shoot me. Why make life harder on yourself than it needs to be? Problem cats *are* healthy cats, given a chance. I know you want to believe that the problem cats are *different*, but they're not. It's just a rationalization. And yeah,. being around mass euthanasia would make anyone rationalize. It's pretty unbearable any other way. . Well, I did and it's the best thing I have ever done. OK. Did you do it to "make yourself feel better?". That may be a benefit, but I doubt it was your primary motivation. There are easier ways to get an adrenaline rush. So why characterize others in such belittling terms when you know it isn't so? |
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What do you mean by "life of one cat is
just as important as the lives of many"? I am saying that one cat matters just as much as many do. For example, someone that wants a purebred and justifies it by saying that if they went to a shelter it would only save one cat so what difference does it make anyway. IT certainly makes a dfference to that cat that isn't adopted and is killed. Or Kelly's saving a cat yet saying it's "just one life" as though it doesn't mean as much. It DOES mean as much, whether one cat or one hundred are saved. And it especially matters to the cat being saved. Until there are none, rescue one. Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray |
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wrote: I am saying that one cat matters just as much as many do. For example, someone that wants a purebred and justifies it by saying that if they went to a shelter it would only save one cat so what difference does it make anyway. IT certainly makes a dfference to that cat that isn't adopted and is killed. Or Kelly's saving a cat yet saying it's "just one life" as though it doesn't mean as much. It DOES mean as much, whether one cat or one hundred are saved. And it especially matters to the cat being saved. Until there are none, rescue one. Megan Oh, ITA. I just didn't understand, the way you worded it. -L. |
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In article .net, 1chip-
enlightened us with... I was just playing. Despite our differences, at least you do not support breeders. Sounds like a gay thing. Not that there's anything wrong with that. *ahem* -- -- ~kaeli~ Dancing cheek-to-cheek is really a form of floor play. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace |
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"Philip" wrote in message
hlink.net... Catnipped wrote: "Philip" wrote in message link.net... CatNipped wrote: "Philip" wrote in message link.net... CatNipped wrote: "Mary" wrote in message ... "CatNipped" wrote ALL completely irrelevent. The scenario was a values test and you failed. Thank God you were spared this scenario in real life. ROTFLMAOWTIME! Oh, woe is me! Thank you Philip, er, I mean God, for sparing me this scenario - of *course* I accept your judgment of me (after all I'm brain damaged, why wouldn't I?)! LOL! Psst .... Lori! over here --------------------- Phillip the Dickless is trolling you. Oh, I know, I'm just having so much fun laughing at his attempts that I'm playing along until I get tired of it. ; Hugs, CatNipped This thread of late is the most attention anybody has paid to you in a very long time ... and you're lapping it up with gusto. You're desparate for attention ... of any kind. I am, I really am, please give me more, come on big man, give it to me, give it to me (bet you haven't heard that in a long time - if ever)! LOL I hear it often from the wife. It's always in reference to larger dollar denominations from my wallet. ROTFLMAO! OK, good one! Now ask if she get it. Oh, being your wife, I seriously doubt she ever gets it! LOL |
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"Philip" wrote in message
ink.net... I agree. And to just make clear the hypocrisy of the 'eccentrics' here, did any of you female 'eccentrics' marry your husband with or because of known congenital birth defects? I really doubt it. Yes, asshole, I actually did. My husband has spina biffida occulta. But, unlike you, I don't base love, respect, friendship, or anything else based on a person's or animal's "defects". You really are sad, and far to typical of what's wrong with the world these days - at your age I would have thought you'd been reared with better values - wrong for a third time, I see. |
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"-L." wrote in message
oups.com... kaeli wrote: I won't take in a cat that ****es and ****s in the floor or bites people, either. And I don't want a genetic freak cat with health problems if I can help it. Well, neither do I, and quite frankly, how many people do? I suspect all of the bellowers who are giving Phillip a hard time didn't adopt known pee-ers, poopers or biters, either. Wrong again. Man, you're really making a career of this aren't you Lyn? And again, honestly, why should anyone? Maybe because these cats need a loving home just as much, if not *more* than perfectly healthy cats and kittens that don't have problems getting adopted. But then, you'd have to *have* a heart to discern that fact. There are perfectly healthy cats and kittens without behavioral problems being killed daily for lack of homes. Kudos to the people who do want to take that on - I'm not one of them, nor are most people. Thank gawd! -L. |
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