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You presume too much. And I resent that. I once had strays dogs come into my yard and kill a kitten. By your logic would I be wrong if I had shot the strays (I didn't, but I there is probably some law against that on the books)? Not only by *my* logic, but by city ordinance in most cities in the U.S. Besides being against the law to kill animals (which obviously from the article, it is in Nebraska), it's also against the law to discharge a firearm in city limits. There are more humane alternatives. Your "I hate people who make excuses" remark is I take it because of my "I hate when a post doesn't say what its talking about". No, wrong again. Your "I hate people who make excuses for animal abusers" comes from your post which said, quote: "That said, its not clear he's totally at fault. Sounds like she (the neighbor) knew her animals were eating his feed and did nothing about it. If he laid traps, he had some reason for doing so, i.e this wasn't the first time her animals had gotten in to his stuff." As if the fact that the cats were "getting into" his feed made it *possibly* okay to trap and kill them--you say *possibly* it "wasn't his fault." . After all, it wasn't the first time? Did it ever occur to you he could *possibly* keep the feed in a more secure place? He could have called animal control? 1) its a common ruse of spammers and 2) should never be done in a post without breifly explaining (whats important to you may not be important to me ands its rude to presume so). Posting a link is the accept method of directing people to photos, news articles, etc. If you'd lurked long enough, you'd have realized Karen has been posting here for years, and is no spammer. And I can do without your bad attempt at sarcasm. I can do without your spouting off defending an animal abuser when you know nothing about the circumstances. I'm glad you've learned the circumstances now. Sherry |
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You presume too much. And I resent that. I once had strays dogs come into my yard and kill a kitten. By your logic would I be wrong if I had shot the strays (I didn't, but I there is probably some law against that on the books)? Not only by *my* logic, but by city ordinance in most cities in the U.S. Besides being against the law to kill animals (which obviously from the article, it is in Nebraska), it's also against the law to discharge a firearm in city limits. There are more humane alternatives. Your "I hate people who make excuses" remark is I take it because of my "I hate when a post doesn't say what its talking about". No, wrong again. Your "I hate people who make excuses for animal abusers" comes from your post which said, quote: "That said, its not clear he's totally at fault. Sounds like she (the neighbor) knew her animals were eating his feed and did nothing about it. If he laid traps, he had some reason for doing so, i.e this wasn't the first time her animals had gotten in to his stuff." As if the fact that the cats were "getting into" his feed made it *possibly* okay to trap and kill them--you say *possibly* it "wasn't his fault." . After all, it wasn't the first time? Did it ever occur to you he could *possibly* keep the feed in a more secure place? He could have called animal control? 1) its a common ruse of spammers and 2) should never be done in a post without breifly explaining (whats important to you may not be important to me ands its rude to presume so). Posting a link is the accept method of directing people to photos, news articles, etc. If you'd lurked long enough, you'd have realized Karen has been posting here for years, and is no spammer. And I can do without your bad attempt at sarcasm. I can do without your spouting off defending an animal abuser when you know nothing about the circumstances. I'm glad you've learned the circumstances now. Sherry |
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Charles M wrote:
Contrarywise, of course he could be a cruel monster. The point is,I don't know. And I cannot tell from the story. Its too short on facts. Yeah, the problem with followup news articles is they tend to assume that everyone knows the previous story (I don't think the article leavs it out on purpose, just from reading the header to this thread I get the idea it's a followup to a previous story). It drives me up the wall every time I have to read one of those and I haven't had a chance to read the news that started it (especially when they don't leave links to previous articles). Alice -- The root cause of problems is simple overpopulation. People just aren't worth very much any more, and they know it. Makes 'em testy. ...Bev |\ _,,,---,,_ Tigress /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/tigress |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-' '---''(_/--' `-'\_) Cat by Felix Lee. |
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Charles M wrote:
Contrarywise, of course he could be a cruel monster. The point is,I don't know. And I cannot tell from the story. Its too short on facts. Yeah, the problem with followup news articles is they tend to assume that everyone knows the previous story (I don't think the article leavs it out on purpose, just from reading the header to this thread I get the idea it's a followup to a previous story). It drives me up the wall every time I have to read one of those and I haven't had a chance to read the news that started it (especially when they don't leave links to previous articles). Alice -- The root cause of problems is simple overpopulation. People just aren't worth very much any more, and they know it. Makes 'em testy. ...Bev |\ _,,,---,,_ Tigress /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/tigress |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-' '---''(_/--' `-'\_) Cat by Felix Lee. |
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Sherry wrote:
As if the fact that the cats were "getting into" his feed made it *possibly* okay to trap and kill them--you say *possibly* it "wasn't his fault." . After all, it wasn't the first time? Did it ever occur to you he could *possibly* keep the feed in a more secure place? He could have called animal control? And, if we're talking theoretical here and not what happened (cause from what I read what has happened he clearly has no excuse), the people should not have had their cats roaming around free (or found some way to keep them away, like leashign them or supervising them when they are out) *if* he had let them know that he did not like them on his land. If in the theoretical sccenario though he just started killing them without even asking his neighbors to please keep their pets off his lawn... he is fully at fault. In a scenario where the people are rude and refuse to consider the feelings of their neighbor about their pets being on the neighbor's land, I don't think we can put blame solely on the neighbor. It's frustrating if you keep getting what you consider a pest on your yard and the neighbor jsut tells you to deal. It's kinda like road rage... while it's not excusable, it's understandable and I don't think it is solely the responsible of the person raging. People should try to be considerate of each other and they might noit have to deal with scenarios where frustrated neighbor finally just has it and decides to get really mean. Yeah, he should have kept his temper in check, but that is no excuse for the person to not try to consider his feelings in the matter and tell him to just deal. And no, I'm not one of htose eople that doesn't want your cat on my lawn. I grew up in a neighborhood where it was expected and people were friendly to each other's pets. I think that is more like a neighborhood I want to be in. As I told a customer coming through my line who told me he liked to give treats to his neighbors dogs even, I'd like to have neighbors like him who like animals and like to get to know their neighbors' animals. But working at a pet store, and reading opinions on people who don't want cats in their yard, has let me see it from a different point of view. For example, some one on the herp newsgruop remarked, "Do you want my snake on your lawn? Then keep your cat off mine.". Yes, the snake isn't as cute and cuddly (well, I think snakes are cute, I'm one of those that like both) to person, but neither is their cat cute and cuddly to (theoretical cat hating) neighbor. Alice -- The root cause of problems is simple overpopulation. People just aren't worth very much any more, and they know it. Makes 'em testy. ...Bev |\ _,,,---,,_ Tigress /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/tigress |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-' '---''(_/--' `-'\_) Cat by Felix Lee. |
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Sherry wrote:
As if the fact that the cats were "getting into" his feed made it *possibly* okay to trap and kill them--you say *possibly* it "wasn't his fault." . After all, it wasn't the first time? Did it ever occur to you he could *possibly* keep the feed in a more secure place? He could have called animal control? And, if we're talking theoretical here and not what happened (cause from what I read what has happened he clearly has no excuse), the people should not have had their cats roaming around free (or found some way to keep them away, like leashign them or supervising them when they are out) *if* he had let them know that he did not like them on his land. If in the theoretical sccenario though he just started killing them without even asking his neighbors to please keep their pets off his lawn... he is fully at fault. In a scenario where the people are rude and refuse to consider the feelings of their neighbor about their pets being on the neighbor's land, I don't think we can put blame solely on the neighbor. It's frustrating if you keep getting what you consider a pest on your yard and the neighbor jsut tells you to deal. It's kinda like road rage... while it's not excusable, it's understandable and I don't think it is solely the responsible of the person raging. People should try to be considerate of each other and they might noit have to deal with scenarios where frustrated neighbor finally just has it and decides to get really mean. Yeah, he should have kept his temper in check, but that is no excuse for the person to not try to consider his feelings in the matter and tell him to just deal. And no, I'm not one of htose eople that doesn't want your cat on my lawn. I grew up in a neighborhood where it was expected and people were friendly to each other's pets. I think that is more like a neighborhood I want to be in. As I told a customer coming through my line who told me he liked to give treats to his neighbors dogs even, I'd like to have neighbors like him who like animals and like to get to know their neighbors' animals. But working at a pet store, and reading opinions on people who don't want cats in their yard, has let me see it from a different point of view. For example, some one on the herp newsgruop remarked, "Do you want my snake on your lawn? Then keep your cat off mine.". Yes, the snake isn't as cute and cuddly (well, I think snakes are cute, I'm one of those that like both) to person, but neither is their cat cute and cuddly to (theoretical cat hating) neighbor. Alice -- The root cause of problems is simple overpopulation. People just aren't worth very much any more, and they know it. Makes 'em testy. ...Bev |\ _,,,---,,_ Tigress /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/tigress |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-' '---''(_/--' `-'\_) Cat by Felix Lee. |
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And, if we're talking theoretical here and not what happened (cause from
what I read what has happened he clearly has no excuse), the people should not have had their cats roaming around free (or found some way to keep them away, like leashign them or supervising them when they are out) *if* he had let them know that he did not like them on his land. Ethically, no, the cats should not have been roaming. Legally, I am not sure whether there is a leash law in the city. I don't recall if the article mentioned it. If in the theoretical sccenario though he just started killing them without even asking his neighbors to please keep their pets off his lawn... he is fully at fault. He is fully at fault anyway, in the legal sense. It is against the law in that state to kill or injure a domestic animal. Period. Sherry In a scenario where the people are rude and refuse to consider the feelings of their neighbor about their pets being on the neighbor's land, I don't think we can put blame solely on the neighbor. I worked an abuse call where a neighbor was repeatedly told to keep her cats off the other neighbor's lawn. He never called animal control. Instead, he shot the cat clean through with an arrow. When we arrived the cat was still writhing in pain. We euthanized it on the spot. Was the owner partly at fault? Yes. Was the neighbor justified in taking matters into his own hands? Hell, no. Sherry |
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And, if we're talking theoretical here and not what happened (cause from
what I read what has happened he clearly has no excuse), the people should not have had their cats roaming around free (or found some way to keep them away, like leashign them or supervising them when they are out) *if* he had let them know that he did not like them on his land. Ethically, no, the cats should not have been roaming. Legally, I am not sure whether there is a leash law in the city. I don't recall if the article mentioned it. If in the theoretical sccenario though he just started killing them without even asking his neighbors to please keep their pets off his lawn... he is fully at fault. He is fully at fault anyway, in the legal sense. It is against the law in that state to kill or injure a domestic animal. Period. Sherry In a scenario where the people are rude and refuse to consider the feelings of their neighbor about their pets being on the neighbor's land, I don't think we can put blame solely on the neighbor. I worked an abuse call where a neighbor was repeatedly told to keep her cats off the other neighbor's lawn. He never called animal control. Instead, he shot the cat clean through with an arrow. When we arrived the cat was still writhing in pain. We euthanized it on the spot. Was the owner partly at fault? Yes. Was the neighbor justified in taking matters into his own hands? Hell, no. Sherry |
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This is an update of something that happened 4 to 6 weeks ago
Brandy Alexandre wrote: Dave wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: If you would have read the complete thred you would know. What thread? This is a brand new thread according to my newsreader. |
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