I'm so upset

I took in this feral cat, and scratch-training was effortless.
I wonder if they're just looking to throw money at it.

My mom adopted a cat that was already declawed. It's hideous. It
walks around on these stumps as if it still hurts (maybe it does).

It's front paws are so horrible, and every toe is a different length,
and the front paws are half the size of the rear.

What do they charge for this "procedure," because I'm pretty sure I
could do the same job with wire cutters.

"Annie Wxill" wrote in message
...

"Wendy" wrote in message
news ... The dh also mentioned that they really need to get him
fixed and if their vet insists on waiting till the cat is 11 mos. ...
The
dh also made sure that they understood
that declawing is an amputation (they didn't know that). ...
I don't understand how a vet could talk to people about this procedure
without telling them what it actually is. I suspect a lot of people (who
haven't researched it on their own) figure it's no more serious than
having
a toenail removed.
W
Also, I don't understand how a vet could tell someone to wait until the
cat
is 11 mos. old before neutering. It sets the owners up for a real hassle
if
a male starts spraying or a female comes into heat.
I'd be concerned about taking a cat to this vet for any reason.
You have got to be relieved that the people are willing to learn about cat
care and decided to let the cat keep his claws. Now maybe you could
recommend a vet who can help them with the neutering.
Annie



I already recommended another vet. I think they were concerned about how
long the vet said to wait as well. They are concerned that he'll start the
less wonderful intact male behavior too.

W

"Annie Wxill" wrote in message
...

"Wendy" wrote in message
news ... The dh also mentioned that they really need to get him
fixed and if their vet insists on waiting till the cat is 11 mos. ...
The
dh also made sure that they understood
that declawing is an amputation (they didn't know that). ...
I don't understand how a vet could talk to people about this procedure
without telling them what it actually is. I suspect a lot of people (who
haven't researched it on their own) figure it's no more serious than
having
a toenail removed.
W
Also, I don't understand how a vet could tell someone to wait until the
cat
is 11 mos. old before neutering. It sets the owners up for a real hassle
if
a male starts spraying or a female comes into heat.
I'd be concerned about taking a cat to this vet for any reason.
You have got to be relieved that the people are willing to learn about cat
care and decided to let the cat keep his claws. Now maybe you could
recommend a vet who can help them with the neutering.
Annie



I already recommended another vet. I think they were concerned about how
long the vet said to wait as well. They are concerned that he'll start the
less wonderful intact male behavior too.

W

In article ,
enlightened us with...
that declawing is an amputation (they didn't know that). I don't think I
have to worry about Midnight losing his claws.


Yay!
Great news!!

I don't understand how a vet could talk to people about this procedure
without telling them what it actually is.

My vets never told us what it was, either.
When I found out, I was horrified. I had declawed cats while I was
growing up. One never fully recovered and always limped a bit. Now I
know why. The old guillotine procedure (still commonly performed unless
you request otherwise) has many such casualties.

Can you believe there is no law across all 50 states that says the vet
has to tell you what the procedure is?
http://cats.about.com/cs/declawing/a/disclose_wait.htm


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In article ,
enlightened us with...
that declawing is an amputation (they didn't know that). I don't think I
have to worry about Midnight losing his claws.


Yay!
Great news!!

I don't understand how a vet could talk to people about this procedure
without telling them what it actually is.

My vets never told us what it was, either.
When I found out, I was horrified. I had declawed cats while I was
growing up. One never fully recovered and always limped a bit. Now I
know why. The old guillotine procedure (still commonly performed unless
you request otherwise) has many such casualties.

Can you believe there is no law across all 50 states that says the vet
has to tell you what the procedure is?
http://cats.about.com/cs/declawing/a/disclose_wait.htm


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A midget fortune teller who escapes from prison is a small
medium at large.
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http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace

In article ,
enlightened us with...
I took in this feral cat, and scratch-training was effortless.
I wonder if they're just looking to throw money at it.

My mom adopted a cat that was already declawed. It's hideous. It
walks around on these stumps as if it still hurts (maybe it does).

It's front paws are so horrible, and every toe is a different length,
and the front paws are half the size of the rear.

What do they charge for this "procedure," because I'm pretty sure I
could do the same job with wire cutters.


That's pretty much what the guillotine declaw is - it is a giant nail
clippers that they use to simply cut off the end of the bone that has
the claw on it. This method can produce bone fractures, uneven length,
future bone regrowth, and even future claw regrowth (as embedded claws
that cause a lot of pain to the animal), even if used to amputate at the
joint instead of cutting bone.
If performed today, the vet is not up to date and not using the more
recent declawing procedure that uses a laser to amputate at the joint
(instead of cutting bone). Unfortunately, many vets still use the
guillotine procedure unless the owner pays extra. Some vets don't even
know about the newer procedure. The guillotine procedure has a LOT more
complications than the newer laser procedure.

Note that I think both procedures are abhorrent. But if someone insists
on mutilating their animal, they should at least find an excellent vet
and shell out for the better procedure.

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In article ,
enlightened us with...
I took in this feral cat, and scratch-training was effortless.
I wonder if they're just looking to throw money at it.

My mom adopted a cat that was already declawed. It's hideous. It
walks around on these stumps as if it still hurts (maybe it does).

It's front paws are so horrible, and every toe is a different length,
and the front paws are half the size of the rear.

What do they charge for this "procedure," because I'm pretty sure I
could do the same job with wire cutters.


That's pretty much what the guillotine declaw is - it is a giant nail
clippers that they use to simply cut off the end of the bone that has
the claw on it. This method can produce bone fractures, uneven length,
future bone regrowth, and even future claw regrowth (as embedded claws
that cause a lot of pain to the animal), even if used to amputate at the
joint instead of cutting bone.
If performed today, the vet is not up to date and not using the more
recent declawing procedure that uses a laser to amputate at the joint
(instead of cutting bone). Unfortunately, many vets still use the
guillotine procedure unless the owner pays extra. Some vets don't even
know about the newer procedure. The guillotine procedure has a LOT more
complications than the newer laser procedure.

Note that I think both procedures are abhorrent. But if someone insists
on mutilating their animal, they should at least find an excellent vet
and shell out for the better procedure.

--
--
~kaeli~
A midget fortune teller who escapes from prison is a small
medium at large.
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace

wrote in message . ..
I took in this feral cat, and scratch-training was effortless.
I wonder if they're just looking to throw money at it.

My mom adopted a cat that was already declawed. It's hideous. It
walks around on these stumps as if it still hurts (maybe it does).

It's front paws are so horrible, and every toe is a different length,
and the front paws are half the size of the rear.

What do they charge for this "procedure," because I'm pretty sure I
could do the same job with wire cutters.

I have done it with sulpuric acid it dissolves the claws even though
it dissolves the pads off their paws too.

James Marz

Born in lust, turn to dust.
Born in sin? come on in! - Stephen King

wrote in message . ..
I took in this feral cat, and scratch-training was effortless.
I wonder if they're just looking to throw money at it.

My mom adopted a cat that was already declawed. It's hideous. It
walks around on these stumps as if it still hurts (maybe it does).

It's front paws are so horrible, and every toe is a different length,
and the front paws are half the size of the rear.

What do they charge for this "procedure," because I'm pretty sure I
could do the same job with wire cutters.

I have done it with sulpuric acid it dissolves the claws even though
it dissolves the pads off their paws too.

James Marz

Born in lust, turn to dust.
Born in sin? come on in! - Stephen King

From: "Wendy"

I don't understand how a vet could talk to people about this procedure
without telling them what it actually is. I suspect a lot of people (who
haven't researched it on their own) figure it's no more serious than having
a toenail removed.

If vets told people, they would lose their blood money. Most people I've come
across who had their cat declawed were shocked and sickened when told what the
vet really did to their cat.

Anyway, good job, Wendy!!

Lauren
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