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Jette Goldie wrote:
Trust me, if you have gallstones, or an irritable gall bladder, eat fatty foods and suffer the effects of pancreatitis. That's far from eating a chunk of fat and dropping down dead, isn't it? -- Victor M. Martinez http://www.che.utexas.edu/~martiv |
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"Victor M. Martinez" wrote in message ... Jette Goldie wrote: Trust me, if you have gallstones, or an irritable gall bladder, eat fatty foods and suffer the effects of pancreatitis. That's far from eating a chunk of fat and dropping down dead, isn't it? You may WISH to drop down dead, however! (the pain is quite ...... indescribable)(yes, I do speak from experience) It rather depends on the state of your pancreas before you start on that chunk of fat. Pancreatitis *can* be fatal. I doubt that eating a particularly fatty meal would kill anyone healthy, but if one was already at risk, who knows? (well, a doctor might) -- Jette "Work for Peace and remain Fiercely Loving" - Jim Byrnes http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ |
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"CK" wrote in message ...
Jette Goldie wrote: "Jo Firey" wrote in message ... "Jette Goldie" wrote in message ... Your gall bladder, where bile is produced which is necessary to digest fat, is located in your pancreas. Uh, wrong! Uh, right. (gall stone sufferer for many years) Well I'm inclined to agree with Jo, as the gall bladder, is located on the under surface of the liver, whereas the pancreas, being a gland that secrets a fluid that assists in the digestive function, is located near the stomach. And while we are at it, the gall bladder does not produce bile. It only stores it. Otherwise having the gall bladder out would be a much bigger deal than it is. |
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Being a hospital worker and purposefully ignoring the "gallbladder,
pancreas, bile" locations/functions statements, as the slave of a now RB diabetic cat whom I loved and treated with insulin for many years, I wish to enlighten re "pancreatitis" that due to his diabetes this cat was subject to repeated attacks of "pancreatitis" (inflammation of the pancreas) before his final and life-taking session with it. Pancreas is the organ which secretes insulin to cats and hoomins' bodies. Diabetes is a disease caused when pancreas either quits altogether or doesn't secrete *enough* insulin for correct bodily functions. It has nothing to do with "bile". Pancreatitis is very painful when hoomins are suffering from it; I would assume it's the same for cats, but who knows? It also has other causes in hoomins besides diabetes. "Jo Firey" wrote in message ... : "CK" wrote in message ... : Jette Goldie wrote: : : "Jo Firey" wrote in message : ... : : "Jette Goldie" wrote in message : ... : : Your gall bladder, where bile is produced which is necessary to : digest fat, is located in your pancreas. : : Uh, wrong! : : Uh, right. : : (gall stone sufferer for many years) : : : Well I'm inclined to agree with Jo, as the gall bladder, is located on : the under surface of the liver, whereas the pancreas, being a gland that : secrets a fluid that assists in the digestive function, is located near : the stomach. : : And while we are at it, the gall bladder does not produce bile. It only stores it. : Otherwise having the gall bladder out would be a much bigger deal than it is. : : |
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Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 18:45:27 -0400, "Hopitus2" wrote: Being a hospital worker and purposefully ignoring the "gallbladder, pancreas, bile" locations/functions statements, as the slave of a now RB diabetic cat whom I loved and treated with insulin for many years, I wish to enlighten re "pancreatitis" that due to his diabetes this cat was subject to repeated attacks of "pancreatitis" (inflammation of the pancreas) before his final and life-taking session with it. Pancreas is the organ which secretes insulin to cats and hoomins' bodies. Diabetes is a disease caused when pancreas either quits altogether or doesn't secrete *enough* insulin for correct bodily functions. It has nothing to do with "bile". Pancreatitis is very painful when hoomins are suffering from it; I would assume it's the same for cats, but who knows? It also has other causes in hoomins besides diabetes. Speaking as a human diabetic, you have described only one form of diabetes above, type I. Type II, which i have, is where the body is still producing insulin, but another step in the biochemical process is missing, so the cells won't let the insulin in through the cell walls. As long as the diabetic's body is still producing enough insulin, the treatment is to give oral drugs that allow the insulin to be made use of, rather than giving additional insulin. Some type II diabetics end up having to inject insulin as well. I don't know whether or not cats ever develop type II diabetes. I have only heard of them having type I (insulin-dependent) diabetes. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBP1uxnDMYPge5L34aEQLnVQCfeYAC2R63uIfMNEO1y9Ak+q 8ZKawAoNYa LRwu3KRI1Ptj0K2JB9OOm92O =pMZY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- John F. Eldredge -- PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexendria |
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I, too, am type II, on oral meds for same. Never asked the vet "what kind of
diabetes" our cat had (I didn't have diabetes then) - from what I remember of his life between diagnosis and his RB trip, it would seems indeed that what he had was type I, like the hoomins whose pancreas has quit producing insulin. I had to test his urine for sugar twice a day and give him (pig) insulin am and pm after his feedings. Some hoomins who work with me have type I and they carry a little kit around with them for testing their blood and injecting themselves with insulin. Because of events that have happened to them we kinda keep a close eye on these coworkers. That insulin is tricky stuff, even though it is a hormone. With the type I's, it can kill them if their blood sugar gets too low. "John F. Eldredge" wrote in message news : -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- : Hash: SHA1 : : On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 18:45:27 -0400, "Hopitus2" : wrote: : : Being a hospital worker and purposefully ignoring the "gallbladder, : pancreas, bile" locations/functions statements, as the slave of a : now RB diabetic cat whom I loved and treated with insulin for many : years, I wish to enlighten re "pancreatitis" that due to his : diabetes this cat was subject to repeated attacks of "pancreatitis" : (inflammation of the pancreas) before his final and life-taking : session with it. Pancreas is the organ which secretes insulin to : cats and hoomins' bodies. Diabetes is a disease caused when pancreas : either quits altogether or doesn't secrete *enough* insulin for : correct bodily functions. It has nothing to do with "bile". : Pancreatitis is very painful when hoomins are suffering from it; I : would assume it's the same for cats, but who knows? It also has : other causes in hoomins besides diabetes. : : Speaking as a human diabetic, you have described only one form of : diabetes above, type I. Type II, which i have, is where the body is : still producing insulin, but another step in the biochemical process : is missing, so the cells won't let the insulin in through the cell : walls. As long as the diabetic's body is still producing enough : insulin, the treatment is to give oral drugs that allow the insulin : to be made use of, rather than giving additional insulin. Some type : II diabetics end up having to inject insulin as well. : : I don't know whether or not cats ever develop type II diabetes. I : have only heard of them having type I (insulin-dependent) diabetes. : : -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- : Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com : : iQA/AwUBP1uxnDMYPge5L34aEQLnVQCfeYAC2R63uIfMNEO1y9Ak+q 8ZKawAoNYa : LRwu3KRI1Ptj0K2JB9OOm92O : =pMZY : -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- : : -- : John F. Eldredge -- : PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu : "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better : than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexendria : |
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Here is an interesting article about cat food. This author says cats
don't need carbohydrates. I didn't know that. http://cats.about.com/cs/catfood/a/tipsforchoosing.htm Todd http://www.shopflintriver.com |
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"Todd" wrote in message
oups.com... Here is an interesting article about cat food. This author says cats don't need carbohydrates. I didn't know that. http://cats.about.com/cs/catfood/a/tipsforchoosing.htm Todd http://www.shopflintriver.com Cats can eat the occasional meal of dog food with no ill effects, just like a human can eat a meal from a fast-food outlet with no ill effects. However, *living* on the stuff is a different matter. I've given dog food to my cat when I've run out and haven't been able to get tot he shop before the next cat meal. However, I wouldn't be feeding my cat dog food for a long period of time, and nor would I be feeding my dog cat food (she gets cat food when I run out of dog food and can't get to the store) all the time, either. Yowie PS, I have *no idea* what message you are actually replying to. Could you please include at least the author and the part of the post you are addressing next time you reply to a message here, as I have done above with your message, please? |
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Todd wrote: Here is an interesting article about cat food. This author says cats don't need carbohydrates. I didn't know that. They "manufacture" their own, being true carnivores. (Just as most animals do not need vitamin C in their diets because their bodies make it.) |
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