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dgk wrote:
You're likely right, but the timing of it seemed to coincide with a bill in the Florida legislature that PETA opposed. PETA believes that any animal living under less than ideal circumstances should be put to death. This sounds like a distortion. I don't like PETA either, so I'm not defending them, but are you sure what you say is true? What do you mean by "ideal" circumstances? There's a long distance between the ideal situation and an outright cruel one, much of which is acceptable, at least to me. You're saying that PETA would reject all of it and prefer euthanization? If so, they're crazier than I thought they were. PETA believes that euthanization is better than an animal living in a no-kill shelter. They may have a point I don't agree with that at all. In order to agree with that, you must think that there is no point to no-kill shelters. Do you believe that? I would be surprised if you did - most animal lovers favor no-kill. but the timing of this raid looked like an attempt to stop that bill from being passed, so it promotes suspicion that there was an agenda and not just a rescue. That sounds like a reasonable suspicion to me. I don't think that means the ASPCA were "in on it", but if PETA managed to convince them that these cats were in a dire situation, they might have acted, not knowing that they were playing into PETA's hands. None of this is meant to say that I have a strong opinion either way about whether the ASPCA should have conducted this raid. I don't have enough information to form a strong opinion. -- Joyce - Mommy loves you too my sweaty litter baby fire - Ummm what mom? - MY SWEET LITTLE BABY GIRL!! sorry honey! -- damnyouautocorrect.com |
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On 3/15/2012 3:34 PM, Bastette wrote:
dgk wrote: You're likely right, but the timing of it seemed to coincide with a bill in the Florida legislature that PETA opposed. PETA believes that any animal living under less than ideal circumstances should be put to death. This sounds like a distortion. I don't like PETA either, so I'm not defending them, but are you sure what you say is true? What do you mean by "ideal" circumstances? There's a long distance between the ideal situation and an outright cruel one, much of which is acceptable, at least to me. You're saying that PETA would reject all of it and prefer euthanization? If so, they're crazier than I thought they were. PETA believes that euthanization is better than an animal living in a no-kill shelter. They may have a point I don't agree with that at all. In order to agree with that, you must think that there is no point to no-kill shelters. Do you believe that? I would be surprised if you did - most animal lovers favor no-kill. but the timing of this raid looked like an attempt to stop that bill from being passed, so it promotes suspicion that there was an agenda and not just a rescue. That sounds like a reasonable suspicion to me. I don't think that means the ASPCA were "in on it", but if PETA managed to convince them that these cats were in a dire situation, they might have acted, not knowing that they were playing into PETA's hands. None of this is meant to say that I have a strong opinion either way about whether the ASPCA should have conducted this raid. I don't have enough information to form a strong opinion. PETA is quite open about it's policy of opposing "animal enslavement" - meaning any situation in which humans have control ("imprisonment") of any animal. They feel that animals are better off dead than in captivity and this philosophy is not confined to feed stock animals, it's how they feel about pets also. They *don't* want to see no-kill shelters take in animals, they would rather the animals be euthanized - that's why they are attacking this new bill. People are being confused by their so-called love of animals and are getting they actual situation reversed in their minds. But honestly, they see euthanasia as a better alternative to a no-kill shelter. -- Hugs, CatNipped See all our masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped See the RPCA FAQ site, created by "Yowie", maintained by Mark Edwards, at: http://www.professional-geek.net/rpcablog/ Email: L(dot)T(dot)Crews(at)comcast(dot)net |
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"CatNipped" wrote in message ... On 3/15/2012 3:34 PM, Bastette wrote: dgk wrote: You're likely right, but the timing of it seemed to coincide with a bill in the Florida legislature that PETA opposed. PETA believes that any animal living under less than ideal circumstances should be put to death. This sounds like a distortion. I don't like PETA either, so I'm not defending them, but are you sure what you say is true? What do you mean by "ideal" circumstances? There's a long distance between the ideal situation and an outright cruel one, much of which is acceptable, at least to me. You're saying that PETA would reject all of it and prefer euthanization? If so, they're crazier than I thought they were. PETA believes that euthanization is better than an animal living in a no-kill shelter. They may have a point I don't agree with that at all. In order to agree with that, you must think that there is no point to no-kill shelters. Do you believe that? I would be surprised if you did - most animal lovers favor no-kill. but the timing of this raid looked like an attempt to stop that bill from being passed, so it promotes suspicion that there was an agenda and not just a rescue. That sounds like a reasonable suspicion to me. I don't think that means the ASPCA were "in on it", but if PETA managed to convince them that these cats were in a dire situation, they might have acted, not knowing that they were playing into PETA's hands. None of this is meant to say that I have a strong opinion either way about whether the ASPCA should have conducted this raid. I don't have enough information to form a strong opinion. PETA is quite open about it's policy of opposing "animal enslavement" - meaning any situation in which humans have control ("imprisonment") of any animal. They feel that animals are better off dead than in captivity and this philosophy is not confined to feed stock animals, it's how they feel about pets also. They *don't* want to see no-kill shelters take in animals, they would rather the animals be euthanized - that's why they are attacking this new bill. People are being confused by their so-called love of animals and are getting they actual situation reversed in their minds. But honestly, they see euthanasia as a better alternative to a no-kill shelter. We can maybe debate PETA's agenda another time. Do you believe there was no reason for the ASPA to move in to Caboodle Ranch? |
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On 3/16/2012 3:19 PM, Christina Websell wrote:
wrote in message ... On 3/15/2012 3:34 PM, Bastette wrote: dgk wrote: You're likely right, but the timing of it seemed to coincide with a bill in the Florida legislature that PETA opposed. PETA believes that any animal living under less than ideal circumstances should be put to death. This sounds like a distortion. I don't like PETA either, so I'm not defending them, but are you sure what you say is true? What do you mean by "ideal" circumstances? There's a long distance between the ideal situation and an outright cruel one, much of which is acceptable, at least to me. You're saying that PETA would reject all of it and prefer euthanization? If so, they're crazier than I thought they were. PETA believes that euthanization is better than an animal living in a no-kill shelter. They may have a point I don't agree with that at all. In order to agree with that, you must think that there is no point to no-kill shelters. Do you believe that? I would be surprised if you did - most animal lovers favor no-kill. but the timing of this raid looked like an attempt to stop that bill from being passed, so it promotes suspicion that there was an agenda and not just a rescue. That sounds like a reasonable suspicion to me. I don't think that means the ASPCA were "in on it", but if PETA managed to convince them that these cats were in a dire situation, they might have acted, not knowing that they were playing into PETA's hands. None of this is meant to say that I have a strong opinion either way about whether the ASPCA should have conducted this raid. I don't have enough information to form a strong opinion. PETA is quite open about it's policy of opposing "animal enslavement" - meaning any situation in which humans have control ("imprisonment") of any animal. They feel that animals are better off dead than in captivity and this philosophy is not confined to feed stock animals, it's how they feel about pets also. They *don't* want to see no-kill shelters take in animals, they would rather the animals be euthanized - that's why they are attacking this new bill. People are being confused by their so-called love of animals and are getting they actual situation reversed in their minds. But honestly, they see euthanasia as a better alternative to a no-kill shelter. We can maybe debate PETA's agenda another time. Do you believe there was no reason for the ASPA to move in to Caboodle Ranch? No, unfortunately. Forgetting all the "evidence" - I just don't think it's logistically possible for one man and a few sporadic volunteers to care for 600 - 700 cats - they breed too quickly, things deteriorate too fast, illnesses spread in the blink of an eye. I don't know all the facts about this so I can't state this categorically, it's just my opinion. Now, for as to how it was handled? I don't know if they needed a "raid" or if that only made things worse. Could they have just "stepped in" and offered help? Was Craig really committing fraud? I just don't know. I just hope both sides of this get to air their stories told. I also hope against all hope that the seized animals are given some sort of chance at life in a forever home, but sadly, I don't think that will happen... they'll be kept in small cages until the trial (a year of more away if we go by the current justice agenda), and then that most of them will be euthanized. -- Hugs, CatNipped See all our masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped See the RPCA FAQ site, created by "Yowie", maintained by Mark Edwards, at: http://www.professional-geek.net/rpcablog/ Email: L(dot)T(dot)Crews(at)comcast(dot)net |
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On Mar 15, 9:52*am, CatNipped wrote:
They're not allowing any adoptions because the cats themselves are "evidence" in the cast against Craig. *That's the part that makes me sick. Me too- I am not going to comment on the case as I don't know the facts but surely if a cat is in a bad condition and with feeding etc turns into a cat with good condition and ready to go to a new home then frankly they're no longer "evidence"- "Bring forth exhibit A" clerk of the court holds up a carrier containing a healthy cat ,,,supposedly a starving sickly animal.... They could use "before"and "after" photos and let the cats be rehomed Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs |
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"CatNipped" wrote in message ... We can maybe debate PETA's agenda another time. Do you believe there was no reason for the ASPA to move in to Caboodle Ranch? No, unfortunately. Forgetting all the "evidence" let's not forget the evidence. No way. It was a great idea but it failed, and he should have sought help somehow before it got so bad that the ASPA had to move in. It's good job they did, IMO. Whether the remaining cats will get euthanised is not clear but that's what can happen if you take on too many and fall short of even basic care. Yes, of course, we'd like to save them all. We can't and the sooner people realise this the less the Caboodle Ranch type of debacle will happen. Tweed |
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CatNipped wrote:
They're not allowing any adoptions because the cats themselves are "evidence" in the cast against Craig. That's the part that makes me sick. Hasn't anyone heard of a camera?? -- Joyce A black cat crossing your path signifies that the animal is going somewhere. -- Groucho Marx |
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On 3/17/2012 7:02 PM, Bastette wrote:
CatNipped wrote: They're not allowing any adoptions because the cats themselves are "evidence" in the cast against Craig. That's the part that makes me sick. Hasn't anyone heard of a camera?? Not only is justice blind, it's deaf and dumb as well. -- Hugs, CatNipped See all our masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped See the RPCA FAQ site, created by "Yowie", maintained by Mark Edwards, at: http://www.professional-geek.net/rpcablog/ Email: L(dot)T(dot)Crews(at)comcast(dot)net |
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On Mar 17, 7:02*pm, Bastette wrote:
CatNipped wrote: * They're not allowing any adoptions because the cats themselves are * "evidence" in the cast against Craig. *That's the part that makes me sick. Hasn't anyone heard of a camera?? -- Joyce If the laws are anything like here, yes, each cat would be ID'ed and photographed. I'm sure there the area plus the cats were videoed also. Just my HO, but I don't believe the cats will be held as evidence until the trial is over. That could be well over a year. They don't necessarily have to hold them as evidence. That decision is pretty much up to the DA and judge. Craig will be responsible for all costs of vetting and boarding as part of the sentence if he's found guilty so I'm sure they'll push for him to relinquish ownership, which would make it even easier to start adopting out the healthy cats. The good news here is that this has received so much media attention. And I think the publicity will certainly help their chance of getting adopted into good homes. We can hope so. Also *only* my HO, but I would venture a guess that many of those cats have already been put down. Sherry |
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