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Old April 6th 07, 12:24 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
Amy C.
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Does anyone else find it ironic that with the surplus of wheat in the
US that Canadian and US companies are importing WHEAT from China?

I'm about ready to move to Mars. At least humans haven't destroyed all
that's sacred and healthy there yet.

thank GOD my cats are not sick. Although I do have a 16 year old with
recently diagnosed age related renal failure. But it's early stages
and treatable by (yes, as you suspected) dietary interventions should
we ever find a food that's not toxic, that is...sigh

I digress...

Mom to 4 feline boys and a human son with Autism.

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Old April 6th 07, 12:54 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
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"Amy C." wrote in message
ups.com...
Does anyone else find it ironic that with the surplus of wheat in the
US that Canadian and US companies are importing WHEAT from China?

I'm about ready to move to Mars. At least humans haven't destroyed all
that's sacred and healthy there yet.

thank GOD my cats are not sick. Although I do have a 16 year old with
recently diagnosed age related renal failure. But it's early stages
and treatable by (yes, as you suspected) dietary interventions should
we ever find a food that's not toxic, that is...sigh

I digress...

Mom to 4 feline boys and a human son with Autism.

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As far as I know, the prescription kidney diets k/d (dry only) and x/d (dry
only) do not contain any wheat gluten or other wheat products.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.


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Old April 6th 07, 01:02 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
Doug Bashford
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On 5 Apr 2007, Amy C. said about:
Wheat Gluten from China?!?!


Does anyone else find it ironic that with the surplus of wheat in the
US that Canadian and US companies are importing WHEAT from China?


Being sort of a news/politics junkie, I wouldn't
use the word "irony" to describe it.

I'm tempted to use the word "evil," however.
But I generally dont approve of that word,
since I'm not religious.

** "Fascism should more properly be called
** corporatism, since it is the merger of state
** and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

"The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people
tolerate the growth of private power to a point where
it becomes stronger than the democratic state itself.
That in it's essence is fascism: ownership of the
government by an individual, by a group or any
controlling private power."
-- Franklin Delano Roosevelt, message to congress,
proposing the "Standard Oil" Monopoly Investigation, 1938


I'm about ready to move to Mars. At least humans haven't destroyed all
that's sacred and healthy there yet.


Indeed. Yet.

I think the solution is far easier. But sadly, more
difficult (as our founding fathers warned us) than mere
voting. So in reality, that rules you out, doesn't it?
Aint we well trained?


Mom to 4 feline boys and a human son with Autism.


Autism is up what? 400%???

Just a coincedence, right? No need to get angry.
I mean, not really, really angry.
Somebody might call you unpatriotic.
It's just a cost of doing business.

I'm reminded of the golden wire in the novel, Watership
Down.

Best,
--Doug


--

When one gains a political certainty akin to
a loyal sports fan, one has achieved the final
tranquility of servitude, a joyous slavery.


"If ye love wealth better than liberty,
the tranquility of servitude better than
the animating contest of freedom,
go home from us in peace.
We ask not your counsels or arms.
Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.
May your chains set lightly upon you,
and may posterity forget that ye were
our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams, August 1, 1776
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Old April 6th 07, 02:05 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
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"Doug Bashford" wrote in message
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-- Franklin Delano Roosevelt, message to congress,
proposing the "Standard Oil" Monopoly Investigation, 1938




ROTFLMAO! And you quote Roosevelt !!!!????

He was and still is the biggest Neo-Liberal Socialist
to ever hold the presidency.

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
try again hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha




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Old April 6th 07, 02:10 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
OKC
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"Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer" wrote in
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These deals with China are free trade at it's worst! Maybe Bill Clinton
and
George Bush should sit down together for a meal of "free trade" wheat
gluten resulting from the policies they have been promoting for the last
14
years.....



Yup, there you go, you got it right, unlike the nut case above who
holds up the Neo-Liberal Socialist Franklin Roosevelt as some
sort of sick joke. Neither the Republicans OR the Democraps are to
be trusted. They are both playing on the same team, and that team
does not have America's best interests at heart.

Franklin Roosevelt MY ASS!



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Old April 6th 07, 02:16 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
Amy C.
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On Apr 5, 8:50 pm, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer
These deals with China are free trade at it's worst! Maybe Bill Clinton and
George Bush should sit down together for a meal of "free trade" wheat
gluten resulting from the policies they have been promoting for the last 14
years.....

And while we're being political....does it strike anyone odd that we
have free trade with China with all the Communist goings on. Yet we
cannot have Cuban Cigars in the US?????

Ok, off my political pulpit. I have to go pack for Mars..

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Old April 6th 07, 03:31 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
chatnoir
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On Apr 5, 7:51 pm, Anonyma wrote:
Does anyone else find it ironic that with the surplus of wheat in the
US that Canadian and US companies are importing WHEAT from China?


They eat a lot of wheat gluten in Asia, and that begs the question of
whether or not China or any of China's neighbors is experiencing a new
epidemic of liver or kidney disease. It sounds like a lot of plasticware
may have gotten in the milling operation. Great Q.A. work there!

I wonder if a local manager wasn't throwing old plastic scrap in the mills
to increase output tonnage without increasing feedstock costs.



Hard to say! I know of a Pizza Hut truck that sat in the parking lot
for a week before going out! The thermostat in the freezer was set to
110 degrees C instead of minus 10! The manager just removed the top
layer of melted cheese and sent the truck out on delivery! So, any
thing can happen and be covered up! Maybe not too many will die!

Fertilizer
or insecticide sources aren't likely unless fallen wheat was gleaned from
the ground. That's another very unpleasant thought, in which case Q.A. is
futile since the grain will have an indeterminate and ever changing set of
contaminants.

Remember, the Chinese vendor claims that it is FOOD GRADE gluten but that
they aren't responsible. They just bought the gluten from these neighboring
provinces, whose accountability seems to have gone on vacation for the
spring. If it were a Japanese or Korean vendor, the managers may very well
have committed suicide by now. Huge difference in paradigms between Asian
countries.

These deals with China are free trade at it's worst! Maybe Bill Clinton and
George Bush should sit down together for a meal of "free trade" wheat
gluten resulting from the policies they have been promoting for the last 14
years.....


It is a money issue like most other things - cheaper to get overseas!:

http://www.slate.com/id/2163235/

Un-American Pet FoodWhy do we put Chinese wheat gluten in Fido's
kibble?
By Michelle Tsai
Posted Monday, April 2, 2007, at 7:33 PM ET
Download the MP3 audio version of this story here, or sign up for The
Explainer's free daily podcast on iTunes.
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration blocked imports of wheat gluten
from a Chinese company Monday. The agency identified the company as
the source of the tainted wheat gluten that caused a massive pet-food
recall last week. Given how much wheat is produced by American
farmers, why do we need to import wheat gluten?
Because it's cheaper than buying domestic gluten. We may be the
world's largest exporter of wheat, shipping 1 billion bushels to other
countries in last year's growing season. Yet we export relatively
little wheat gluten. To extract the gluten from wheat, you have to
separate it from the starch, by repeatedly washing and kneading wheat
flour. But only four U.S. companies go through this process; last
year, they produced roughly 100 million pounds of wheat gluten, about
20 percent of the domestic demand.
Almost two-thirds of the more than 400 million pounds we imported came
from European Union countries. That's because the Europeans use wheat
starch to make sweeteners, which leaves them with a lot of extra
gluten. The United States, on the other hand, relies on corn for
sweeteners-thus the high-fructose corn syrup in our sodas. Add in
Europe's wheat subsidies, and EU nations can sell their wheat gluten
for a low price. U.S. wheat-gluten-makers say EU prices are sometimes
below American production costs.

In addition to EU countries, Australia accounted for more than 18
percent of imported gluten in 2006 and China 14 percent, according to
the USDA's Foreign Agricultural Service. Industry insiders say Chinese
imports more than doubled from 2005, based on U.S. Census Bureau
figures.
Our enormous appetite for wheat gluten exacerbates the wheat-gluten
trade deficit. We're the world's biggest consumer of wheat gluten
today; American manufacturers use it to produce baked goods. Having
the right protein content in dough ensures that it will remain intact
as it rises. Without the elasticity afforded by the gluten, bread
would collapse, yielding a dense, heavy loaf. Wheat gluten also gives
vegetarian "fake meat," like DIY seitan, and pet food a meatlike
texture and binds together processed foods like chicken nuggets,
turkey burgers, and imitation crabmeat. Gluten even makes its way into
shampoo and biodegradable sporks.
Bonus Explainer: We may be the biggest wheat exporter around, but
we're also an importer. The United States bought $304 million worth of
wheat from Canada last year, and smaller amounts from Mexico, Hungary,
and a few other nations.
Got a question about today's news? Ask the Explainer.
Explainer thanks Joshua Lagos at the USDA's Foreign Agricultural
Service, Ronald Madl of the Bioprocessing and Industrial Value Added
Center at Kansas State University, and Steve Pickman of MGP
Ingredients.


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Old April 7th 07, 06:52 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
chatnoir
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Default Wheat Gluten from China?!?!

On Apr 5, 6:50 pm, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer
wrote:
Does anyone else find it ironic that with the surplus of wheat in the
US that Canadian and US companies are importing WHEAT from China?


They eat a lot of wheat gluten in Asia, and that begs the question of
whether or not China or any of China's neighbors is experiencing a new
epidemic of liver or kidney disease. It sounds like a lot of plasticware
may have gotten in the milling operation. Great Q.A. work there!

I wonder if a local manager wasn't throwing old plastic scrap in the mills
to increase output tonnage without increasing feedstock costs. Fertilizer
or insecticide sources aren't likely unless fallen wheat was gleaned from
the ground. That's another very unpleasant thought, in which case Q.A. is
futile since the grain will have an indeterminate and ever changing set of
contaminants.


I heard that the melamine was probably added on purpose to make it
look like the wheat gluten had a higher protein content than it did!

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Old April 7th 07, 07:03 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
Joe Canuck
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Default Wheat Gluten from China?!?!

chatnoir wrote:
On Apr 5, 6:50 pm, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer
wrote:
Does anyone else find it ironic that with the surplus of wheat in the
US that Canadian and US companies are importing WHEAT from China?

They eat a lot of wheat gluten in Asia, and that begs the question of
whether or not China or any of China's neighbors is experiencing a new
epidemic of liver or kidney disease. It sounds like a lot of plasticware
may have gotten in the milling operation. Great Q.A. work there!

I wonder if a local manager wasn't throwing old plastic scrap in the mills
to increase output tonnage without increasing feedstock costs. Fertilizer
or insecticide sources aren't likely unless fallen wheat was gleaned from
the ground. That's another very unpleasant thought, in which case Q.A. is
futile since the grain will have an indeterminate and ever changing set of
contaminants.


I heard that the melamine was probably added on purpose to make it
look like the wheat gluten had a higher protein content than it did!


Source of that information? ...was it online?
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Old April 7th 07, 07:55 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav
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"Joe Canuck" wrote in message
...
chatnoir wrote:
On Apr 5, 6:50 pm, Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer
wrote:
Does anyone else find it ironic that with the surplus of wheat in the
US that Canadian and US companies are importing WHEAT from China?
They eat a lot of wheat gluten in Asia, and that begs the question of
whether or not China or any of China's neighbors is experiencing a new
epidemic of liver or kidney disease. It sounds like a lot of plasticware
may have gotten in the milling operation. Great Q.A. work there!

I wonder if a local manager wasn't throwing old plastic scrap in the
mills
to increase output tonnage without increasing feedstock costs.
Fertilizer
or insecticide sources aren't likely unless fallen wheat was gleaned
from
the ground. That's another very unpleasant thought, in which case Q.A.
is
futile since the grain will have an indeterminate and ever changing set
of
contaminants.


I heard that the melamine was probably added on purpose to make it
look like the wheat gluten had a higher protein content than it did!


Source of that information? ...was it online?


Joe. This was posted with an anon remailer, why do you think that is?


 




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