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pet food cattle??? (was: Goo Was Pretending....)
On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:50:22 -0400, sighthounds & siberians wrote:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:52:08 -0700, dh@. wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:26:10 +0000, Derek wrote: On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:22:35 -0700, dh@. wrote: On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:18:08 +0000, Derek wrote: On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:03:10 -0800, dh@. wrote: Also it seems fairly clear that Goo believes some cattle are specifically raised to be pet food but are not raised that long, though he hasn't been able to provide any more examples of it than "Derek". If you're trying to claim that the purchase of pet food doesn't increase the number of cattle going to slaughter, vegan cat owners will be able to claim no animals were killed for the production of their purchase. There are probably no cattle raised for pet food ... So you can relax....people don't contribute to life and death for cattle by buying cat food. Gee, thanks Dave. You're welcome. If this really eases your mind a bit you might even consider buying some cage free eggs for them too, while you're still thinking somewhat flexibly. Then you would be contributing to life for laying hens which I guess you would not want to do, BUT!, at least it would be contribution to a decent farming method that could use all the support it can get because it's not as practical as the damned nasty cage method. You could pull the yolks out and scramble up some nice cage free eggs and by that be giving the kitties a nice treat and actually contributing to something good for farm animals too. ¦¬) Maybe you guys could remove rpdhealth from your crossposting. Tell us why we should bow down to you as our accepted net nanny. |
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pet food cattle??? (was: Goo Was Pretending....)
On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 07:16:20 -0700, Goo wrote:
On 3/14/2011 5:22 PM, dh@. wrote: they should be able to figure out that no cattle lived and died because of cat food based on fish. chortle Most people should be able to at least figure out that much Goo, even if you can't figure out how yourself. How about beef cat food, if there is such? No, probably no cattle live and die because of beef cat food either. "Probably" - in other words, you don't have a ****ing clue. There doesn't appear to be any reason why they should Goob, and as yet we haven't seen any evidence that any do. How long do you think animals are raised only to be pet food Goo, do you have any clue? Parts of some that live and die do end up in cat food, but it's unlikely that any live and die because of it. "Unlikely" - you're just guessing. So are you Goober. The difference is that I'm honest about it, and you're not. You don't have a ****ing clue. How long do you want people to think cattle are raised just to be pet food Goob, and why would anyone believe you about it? Well done, Harrison. [...] There are probably no cattle raised for pet food More wild, unfounded guessing. It's the same guess Goober. In fact, the sheer numbers of dogs and cats, and the sheer quantity of beef they eat, means "probably" there are cattle raised for pet food. It all depends on what pet owners are willing to pay for pet food, and when you look at the price of premium pet food, it's entirely plausible that some animals are, indeed, raised for pet food. Maybe some horses, but probably not even them. There is NO REASON to believe cattle are raised only to be pet food. That means Goober that even if some are, you STILL haven't given us any reason to believe it. Do you think that if 93~million cattle feed 309~million people, there's enough by-product left over to combine with vegetable by-product and feed 78~million dogs and 94~million cats? I sure do. You think a lot of crazy ****. What breeds of cattle do you think are raised just to be pet food and how long do you think they are raised Goober? You also think that livestock animals pre-exist, That's obviously a lie since if I did believe in multiple lives as billions of people do I would have explained why by now. Instead I've explained that I consider the possibility but have no true belief about it one way or the other. You're either too stupid to comprehend in part because you can't imagine it yourself, or you're dishonestly pretending to be too stupid for whatever dishonest reasons you decided to pretend to be stupider than you actually are. and that they can experience complex emotions that they can't. Any person reading this who has been around animals for any period of time should be able to give you examples of animals anticipating. If there are any six year olds with goldfish reading this, please explain to stupid Goobernicus how you can tell that your fish are able to anticipate. Or if anyone else has an example of an animal anticipating, please share it so stupid Goo can get exposed to yet another example of animal enticipation. |
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pet food cattle???
****wit David Harrison, criminal breeder of fighting roosters, attempted
unsuccessfully to bull****: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:43:48 -0400, sighthounds& wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:33:46 -0700, dh@. wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:50:22 -0400, sighthounds& wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:52:08 -0700, dh@. wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:26:10 +0000, wrote: On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:22:35 -0700, dh@. wrote: On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:18:08 +0000, wrote: On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:03:10 -0800, dh@. wrote: Also it seems fairly clear that Goo believes some cattle are specifically raised to be pet food but are not raised that long, though he hasn't been able to provide any more examples of it than "Derek". If you're trying to claim that the purchase of pet food doesn't increase the number of cattle going to slaughter, vegan cat owners will be able to claim no animals were killed for the production of their purchase. There are probably no cattle raised for pet food ... So you can relax....people don't contribute to life and death for cattle by buying cat food. Gee, thanks Dave. You're welcome. If this really eases your mind a bit you might even consider buying some cage free eggs for them too, while you're still thinking somewhat flexibly. Then you would be contributing to life for laying hens which I guess you would not want to do, BUT!, at least it would be contribution to a decent farming method that could use all the support it can get because it's not as practical as the damned nasty cage method. You could pull the yolks out and scramble up some nice cage free eggs and by that be giving the kitties a nice treat and actually contributing to something good for farm animals too. ¦¬) Maybe you guys could remove rpdhealth from your crossposting. Tell us why we should bow down to you as our accepted net nanny. I don't know; The answer is: The answer is, you're a stupid prickcheese for spamming groups having nothing to do with your ****witted clap-trap. You should honor his request because he is your intellectual, moral and social better, and because his request is reasonable, and your ****-4-braincell spamming of groups is the product of mental illness and vile character. maybe because you were asked nicely, since this is off-topic? It's a good enough topic for these ngs, It's typical ****wit David Harrison cracker bull****. Maybe because you're trying to disprove the saying "on the internet, nobody knows you're an asshole"? Well, we don't "know" you're an asshole, but *Everyone* knows you're an asshole, ****wit. You're an asshole, and a convicted breeder of illegal fighting roosters. You're an inbred, cornholing stupid cracker. |
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pet food cattle???
****wit David Harrison, criminal breeder of fighting roosters, attempted
unsuccessfully to bull****: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 19:16:14 +0000, wrote: ****wit David Harrison, criminal breeder of fighting roosters, attempted unsuccessfully to bull****: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:26:10 +0000, wrote: ****wit David Harrison, criminal breeder of fighting roosters, attempted unsuccessfully to bull****: On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:18:08 +0000, wrote: ****wit David Harrison, criminal breeder of fighting roosters, attempted unsuccessfully to bull****: Also it seems fairly clear that Goo believes some cattle are specifically raised to be pet food but are not raised that long, though he hasn't been able to provide any more examples of it than "Derek". If you're trying to claim that the purchase of pet food doesn't increase the number of cattle going to slaughter, vegan cat owners will be able to claim no animals were killed for the production of their purchase. There are probably no cattle raised for pet food ... So you can relax....people don't contribute to life and death for cattle by buying cat food. Gee, thanks Dave. You're welcome. If this really eases your mind a bit you might even consider buying some cage free eggs for them too I don't have a cat. I have a dog, Dogs enjoy eggs too. You don't have a clue what dogs like. but I never feed him pet food. We always make an extra portion of whatever vegetarian foods we're eating and give him that at the same time to stop him bothering us when we're having ours. For one thing that's giving in to the dog but it's better than feeding him from the table, which I feel sure you also do. Which, of course, you have no reason to believe he does. You're just attempting to bull****, again. For another thing dogs are not vegetarian creatures. Dogs are omnivores. They are not obligate carnivores. And for another you shouldn't even have a dog, but instead You have no moral standing to say if he should or should not have a dog. But of course, if you're of the opinion that no animals are raised and killed for pet food, I'm not going to try changing it. You already did. If I'm wrong I'd like to find out but so far it doesn't appear that I am, It does indeed appear that you are wrong, and in fact, you are wrong. |
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pet food cattle??? (was: Goo Was Pretending....)
On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:43:48 -0400, sighthounds & siberians wrote:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:33:46 -0700, dh@. wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:50:22 -0400, sighthounds & siberians wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:52:08 -0700, dh@. wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:26:10 +0000, Derek wrote: On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:22:35 -0700, dh@. wrote: On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:18:08 +0000, Derek wrote: On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:03:10 -0800, dh@. wrote: Also it seems fairly clear that Goo believes some cattle are specifically raised to be pet food but are not raised that long, though he hasn't been able to provide any more examples of it than "Derek". If you're trying to claim that the purchase of pet food doesn't increase the number of cattle going to slaughter, vegan cat owners will be able to claim no animals were killed for the production of their purchase. There are probably no cattle raised for pet food ... So you can relax....people don't contribute to life and death for cattle by buying cat food. Gee, thanks Dave. You're welcome. If this really eases your mind a bit you might even consider buying some cage free eggs for them too, while you're still thinking somewhat flexibly. Then you would be contributing to life for laying hens which I guess you would not want to do, BUT!, at least it would be contribution to a decent farming method that could use all the support it can get because it's not as practical as the damned nasty cage method. You could pull the yolks out and scramble up some nice cage free eggs and by that be giving the kitties a nice treat and actually contributing to something good for farm animals too. ¦¬) Maybe you guys could remove rpdhealth from your crossposting. Tell us why we should bow down to you as our accepted net nanny. I don't know; The answer is: We have no reason to bow to you. maybe because you were asked nicely, since this is off-topic? It's a good enough topic for these ngs, and it's not our fault that none of you in the dogs group know or care anything about it. But someone might care and have something to say about where they think the meat comes from that's in their dog food, even though you don't. Maybe because you're trying to disprove the saying "on the internet, nobody knows you're an asshole"? LOL! Well, we don't "know" you're an asshole, but it's certainly beginning to look as though you are. It must take some sort of asshole mentality to try to tell the world where they should and shoud not post threads about pet food, especially when even you don't know why we should accept you as our nanny. Are you a vegan who feeds his poor dog(s) a vegan diet, btw? I ask because in aaev we have found that only eliminationists have reason to oppose consideration for the lives of livestock animals. |
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pet food cattle??? (was: Goo Was Pretending....)
On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 19:16:14 +0000, Derek wrote:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:52:08 -0700, dh@. wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:26:10 +0000, Derek wrote: On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:22:35 -0700, dh@. wrote: On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:18:08 +0000, Derek wrote: On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:03:10 -0800, dh@. wrote: Also it seems fairly clear that Goo believes some cattle are specifically raised to be pet food but are not raised that long, though he hasn't been able to provide any more examples of it than "Derek". If you're trying to claim that the purchase of pet food doesn't increase the number of cattle going to slaughter, vegan cat owners will be able to claim no animals were killed for the production of their purchase. There are probably no cattle raised for pet food ... So you can relax....people don't contribute to life and death for cattle by buying cat food. Gee, thanks Dave. You're welcome. If this really eases your mind a bit you might even consider buying some cage free eggs for them too I don't have a cat. I have a dog, Dogs enjoy eggs too. but I never feed him pet food. We always make an extra portion of whatever vegetarian foods we're eating and give him that at the same time to stop him bothering us when we're having ours. For one thing that's giving in to the dog but it's better than feeding him from the table, which I feel sure you also do. For another thing dogs are not vegetarian creatures. And for another you shouldn't even have a dog, but instead should have him put down so he doesn't have to suffer as your carnivorous prisoner being restricted to a vegan diet. But of course, if you're of the opinion that no animals are raised and killed for pet food, I'm not going to try changing it. You already did. If I'm wrong I'd like to find out but so far it doesn't appear that I am, and I sure don't want to accept something that's wrong for no reason. It would be a kindness for your dog and contribute to decent lives for laying hens if you give him some cage free eggs. It would be a kindness to your dog and not contribute to any life for livestock if you buy him dog food, or some sort of organ meat like liver, or kidneys, or heart. Well, it's really a huge exaggeration to say it would be a "kindness" to feed your dog the sort of diet that dogs SHOULD be fed, but for one in your poor dog's position it would sadly be a kindness to him. That poor dog... |
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pet food cattle??? (was: Goo Was Pretending....)
On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:22:21 -0700, Goo wussed:
dh challenged Goo to explain: How long do you want people to think cattle are raised just to be pet food Goo, do you have any clue? That's another ****wittism I made you reveal that you have no clue what you think you're trying to talk about, Goo. .. . . What breeds of cattle do you think are raised just to be pet food, and how long do you think they are raised Goober? Another ****wittism I AGAIN made you reveal that you have no clue what you think you're trying to talk about, Goo. .. . . Any person reading this who has been around animals for any period of time should be able to give you examples of animals anticipating. Wrong sense of the word Anticipation is anticipation Goober, even if you truly are too stupid to comprehend how it possibly could be. (mental image of the Goober scratching his head and wondering if it's possible that--somehow--anticipation really could be anticipation...) .. |
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pet food cattle??? (was: Goo Was Pretending....)
Goo wrote:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 21:00:20 -0700, dh@. pointed out: For another thing dogs are not vegetarian creatures. Dogs are omnivores. LOL! You probably think cattle and horses are too, Goo. |
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pet food cattle???
On 3/15/2011 9:06 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
****wit David Harrison, criminal breeder of fighting roosters, attempted unsuccessfully to bull****: For another thing dogs are not vegetarian creatures. Dogs are omnivores. They are not obligate carnivores. Dogs are opportunistic carnivores. That means they will eat other things when meat is not around but it's not their first choice. Any other diet besides meat, bones and organ meats will eventually cause medical problems most of the time. If dogs were omnivores they would not have carnivorous teeth with no molars for chewing plant material. They would not have the strong stomach acid needed for quickly digesting meat. They would not have the very short digestive track that carnivores have. http://rawfed.com/myths/omnivores.html "Dogs (and cats) are equipped with powerful jaw muscles and neck muscles that assist in pulling down prey and chewing meat, bone, and hide. Their jaws hinge open widely, allowing them to gulp large chunks of meat and bone. Their skulls are heavy, and are shaped to prevent lateral movement of the lower jaw when captured prey struggles (the mandibular fossa is deep and C-shaped); this shape permits only an up-and-down crushing motion, whereas herbivores and omnivores have flatter mandibular fossa that allows for the lateral motion necessary to grind plant matter." "Dogs do not normally produce the necessary enzymes in their saliva (amylase, for example) to start the break-down of carbohydrates and starches; amylase in saliva is something omnivorous and herbivorous animals possess, but not carnivorous animals. This places the burden entirely on the pancreas, forcing it to produce large amounts of amylase to deal with the starch, cellulose, and carbohydrates in plant matter. Thus, feeding dogs as though they were omnivores taxes the pancreas and places extra strain on it, as it must work harder for the dog to digest the starchy, carbohydrate-filled food instead of just producing normal amounts of the enzymes needed to digest proteins and fats (which, when fed raw, begin to "self-digest" when the cells are crushed through chewing and tearing and their enzymes are released). "Nor do dogs have the kinds of friendly bacteria that break down cellulose and starch for them. As a result, most of the nutrients contained in plant matter—even preprocessed plant matter—are unavailable to dogs. This is why dog food manufacturers have to add such high amounts of synthetic vitamins and minerals (the fact that cooking destroys all the vitamins and minerals and thus creates the need for supplementation aside) to their dog foods. If a dog can only digest 40-60% of its grain-based food, then it will only be receiving 40-60% (ideally!) of the vitamins and minerals it needs. To compensate for this, the manufacturer must add a higher concentration of vitamins and minerals than the dog actually needs." |
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pet food cattle??? (was: Goo Was Pretending....)
On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 19:16:14 +0000, Derek wrote:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:52:08 -0700, dh@. wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:26:10 +0000, Derek wrote: On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:22:35 -0700, dh@. wrote: On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:18:08 +0000, Derek wrote: On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:03:10 -0800, dh@. wrote: Also it seems fairly clear that Goo believes some cattle are specifically raised to be pet food but are not raised that long, though he hasn't been able to provide any more examples of it than "Derek". If you're trying to claim that the purchase of pet food doesn't increase the number of cattle going to slaughter, vegan cat owners will be able to claim no animals were killed for the production of their purchase. There are probably no cattle raised for pet food ... So you can relax....people don't contribute to life and death for cattle by buying cat food. Gee, thanks Dave. You're welcome. If this really eases your mind a bit you might even consider buying some cage free eggs for them too I don't have a cat. I have a dog, but I never feed him pet food. We always make an extra portion of whatever vegetarian foods we're eating and give him that at the same time to stop him bothering us when we're having ours. But of course, if you're of the opinion that no animals are raised and killed for pet food, I'm not going to try changing it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGeKSiCQkPw Turn speakers on. |
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