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DON'T FALL FOR IT
On Apr 16, 8:16*am, kraut
wrote: I'm not sure whether you're replying to Dan, or Lori, but I can't believe you'd say that to either one of them, as well as you should know them by now. *You think the answer is more laws? * The English, AFAIK, don't have *specific* laws regarding declaw (I could be wrong about this; you British friends correct me if so) I'm not in England, but I think it's the same there as here in Finland, that we don't have laws specifically banning declawing, but the practice of declawing has never developed in our countries, so we don't need laws against it. Our animal-protection legislation states something like 'you may not cause any animal undue pain' and I think declawing would fall under that category. There's also a clause about allowing animals to live in a way that is natural for them (don't know how the fur industry and battery-hen keepers work around this!). First let me say that I am not for declawing. *I have 6 furballs and none are declawed and my furniture looks it even though I have scratching post and pads. *But on the other hand my ex rescued 2 furballs but the only way I could talk her into it was if they were declawed. *Otherwise they were in line to be put down. *They are the sweetest things you could ask for (Next to mine). *We were going to be remarried until the subject of declawing my babies came up and I said no way so no marriage. If you saw a cat heading for the death chamber but someone was willing to take it if it was declawed what would you do? *Especially if they were 2 heading there?!?! The point is that some people are so radical when it comes to ANYTHING that they can only see one side and would rather see an animal keep its claws even if it meant it's life and do matter how much you talk they are unwilling to see any other point to it!!! Wow....good for you for having such a strong commitment to doing what's right. The "Declaw or Die" debate comes up often. My answer to that, when I am asked that same question, (what would I do)...I'd call other area shelters looking for a cat already declawed. I'd talk my head off trying to explain what they're about to do, really, to the cat. I would not declaw a cat, if given the ultimatum by a prospective adoptor, even in the most overcrowded situation. I couldn't anyway. The clause is in the contract. I don't think it's guaranteed that this theoretical couple will give this cat a forever home. Particularly if it's a new cat owner. Besides clawing, cats poop, they pee, they shed, they bite, they jump on the counter, People who are keen on declawing, IMO, are people who want instant behavior modification, and people who don't have much tolerance for normal behavior to begin with. Who don't want to consider training, covering their furniture, trying softpaws, or any other alternative. They just don't need a cat. This is the part I usually get flamed about....but there are worse things than euthanasia. A declawed cat turned out in the street to fend for itself is one of them. As always, this is just my .02. :-) And for the record, I've never had to deal with that ultimatum. You never *really* know what you'd do in a situation until you're in it, I suppose. I might end up stuffing the cat in my purse and stealing it. I'm not above that :-) Sherry |
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DON'T FALL FOR IT
On Apr 16, 1:29*am, "tanadashoes" wrote:
"Sherry" wrote in message ... And besides that, they *enjoy* their claws, no? At lleast judging from the look of absolute nirvana on their face when they're s-t-r-e-t-c-h- i-n-g and clawing on a scratching post! Defense is a good argument on its own for keeping the claws, but I think the biggest issue with me is the residual pain that some cats have, for the rest of their lives, from declaw surgery. *I've even read that declawing a cat changes the way it walks on the paw pads, causing orthopedic problems later. I believe that theory is still out for argument, but it sure sounds reasonable to me. I don't know why declaw is taboo, either. I've never seen the subject cause a problem among regulars, or at least that I recall. ================================= Maybe we should lobby the American Veterinary Association about it. *If enough people make a stink about it (sorry Catnippped) maybe the time will come that the AVA will include it as a non practice. Pam S. who bids 300 quatloons for the stinky truck I think the AVA would be a good place to start. I ragged on a local vet once about it. He *knows* it's wrong. You could tell by how he was making excuses and getting defensive.... He's a good vet (otherwise). One thing he said that struck me was "Well, I won't do 4-paw, no matter what." Like that somehow was redeeming. Sigh. It does stink. (sorry CN) Sherry --- who can't decide which is worse, eau de dead mouse or tomcat spray |
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I'm not sure whether you're replying to Dan, or Lori, but I can't believe you'd say that to either one of them, as well as you should know them by now. *You think the answer is more laws? * The English, AFAIK, don't have *specific* laws regarding declaw (I could be wrong about this; you British friends correct me if so) I'm not in England, but I think it's the same there as here in Finland, that we don't have laws specifically banning declawing, but the practice of declawing has never developed in our countries, so we don't need laws against it. Our animal-protection legislation states something like 'you may not cause any animal undue pain' and I think declawing would fall under that category. There's also a clause about allowing animals to live in a way that is natural for them (don't know how the fur industry and battery-hen keepers work around this!). First let me say that I am not for declawing. *I have 6 furballs and none are declawed and my furniture looks it even though I have scratching post and pads. *But on the other hand my ex rescued 2 furballs but the only way I could talk her into it was if they were declawed. *Otherwise they were in line to be put down. *They are the sweetest things you could ask for (Next to mine). *We were going to be remarried until the subject of declawing my babies came up and I said no way so no marriage. If you saw a cat heading for the death chamber but someone was willing to take it if it was declawed what would you do? *Especially if they were 2 heading there?!?! The point is that some people are so radical when it comes to ANYTHING that they can only see one side and would rather see an animal keep its claws even if it meant it's life and do matter how much you talk they are unwilling to see any other point to it!!! Wow....good for you for having such a strong commitment to doing what's right. The "Declaw or Die" debate comes up often. My answer to that, when I am asked that same question, (what would I do)...I'd call other area shelters looking for a cat already declawed. I'd talk my head off trying to explain what they're about to do, really, to the cat. I would not declaw a cat, if given the ultimatum by a prospective adoptor, even in the most overcrowded situation. I couldn't anyway. The clause is in the contract. I don't think it's guaranteed that this theoretical couple will give this cat a forever home. Particularly if it's a new cat owner. Besides clawing, cats poop, they pee, they shed, they bite, they jump on the counter, People who are keen on declawing, IMO, are people who want instant behavior modification, and people who don't have much tolerance for normal behavior to begin with. Who don't want to consider training, covering their furniture, trying softpaws, or any other alternative. They just don't need a cat. This is the part I usually get flamed about....but there are worse things than euthanasia. A declawed cat turned out in the street to fend for itself is one of them. As always, this is just my .02. :-) And for the record, I've never had to deal with that ultimatum. You never *really* know what you'd do in a situation until you're in it, I suppose. I might end up stuffing the cat in my purse and stealing it. I'm not above that :-) Sherry I agree with most of what you say about "People who are keen on declawing, IMO, are people who want instant behavior modification, and people who don't have much tolerance for normal behavior to begin with". My babies go where they want and do what they want. If you check out my page at http://users.ameritech.net/lestark/page2.htm you will see them in the cupboards, linen closet, on stereo, on computer cabinet, on table where I keep a bowl of food for them, ETC. I have had people come here that tell me I am nuts for the way I let my furbabies do as they want!! I once also rehomed a stray that had no front claws also. |
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DON'T FALL FOR IT
On Apr 16, 10:52*am, kraut
wrote: I'm not sure whether you're replying to Dan, or Lori, but I can't believe you'd say that to either one of them, as well as you should know them by now. *You think the answer is more laws? * The English, AFAIK, don't have *specific* laws regarding declaw (I could be wrong about this; you British friends correct me if so) I'm not in England, but I think it's the same there as here in Finland, that we don't have laws specifically banning declawing, but the practice of declawing has never developed in our countries, so we don't need laws against it. Our animal-protection legislation states something like 'you may not cause any animal undue pain' and I think declawing would fall under that category. There's also a clause about allowing animals to live in a way that is natural for them (don't know how the fur industry and battery-hen keepers work around this!). First let me say that I am not for declawing. *I have 6 furballs and none are declawed and my furniture looks it even though I have scratching post and pads. *But on the other hand my ex rescued 2 furballs but the only way I could talk her into it was if they were declawed. *Otherwise they were in line to be put down. *They are the sweetest things you could ask for (Next to mine). *We were going to be remarried until the subject of declawing my babies came up and I said no way so no marriage. If you saw a cat heading for the death chamber but someone was willing to take it if it was declawed what would you do? *Especially if they were 2 heading there?!?! The point is that some people are so radical when it comes to ANYTHING that they can only see one side and would rather see an animal keep its claws even if it meant it's life and do matter how much you talk they are unwilling to see any other point to it!!! Wow....good for you for having such a strong commitment to doing what's right. The "Declaw or Die" debate comes up often. My answer to that, when I am asked that same question, (what would I do)...I'd call other area shelters looking for a cat already declawed. I'd talk my head off trying to explain what they're about to do, really, to the cat. I would not declaw a cat, if given the ultimatum by a prospective adoptor, even in the most overcrowded situation. I couldn't anyway. The clause is in the contract. I don't think it's guaranteed that this theoretical couple will give this cat a forever home. Particularly if it's a new cat owner. Besides clawing, cats poop, they pee, they shed, they bite, they jump on the counter, People who are keen on declawing, IMO, are people who want instant behavior modification, and people who don't have much tolerance for normal behavior to begin with. Who don't want to consider training, covering their furniture, trying softpaws, or any other alternative. They just don't need a cat. This is the part I usually get flamed about....but there are worse things than euthanasia. A declawed cat turned out in the street to fend for itself is one of them. As always, this is just my .02. *:-) And for the record, I've never had to deal with that ultimatum. You never *really* know what you'd do in a situation until you're in it, I suppose. I might end up stuffing the cat in my purse and stealing it. I'm not above that :-) Sherry I agree with most of what you say about "People who are keen on declawing, IMO, are people who want instant behavior modification, and people who don't have much tolerance for normal behavior to begin with". My babies go where they want and do what they want. *If you check out my page athttp://users.ameritech.net/lestark/page2.htmyou will see them in the cupboards, linen closet, on stereo, on computer cabinet, on table where I keep a bowl of food for them, ETC. I have had people come here that tell me I am nuts for the way I let my furbabies do as they want!! I once also rehomed a stray that had no front claws also.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Your cats are *beautiful*. Such unusual markings. I love the black & white one that looks like he has a moustache. Pretty calico girl, too, her coat is really pretty. They all look happy and healthy! Sherry |
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