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Singer Boyle reaches Talent final
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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote: snip Don't get me started on what passes for "talent", these days! Aside from her unfortunate appearance (couldn't she at least TRY to improve her grooming?) she has a mediocre voice which might or might not profit from a few lessons with a qualified voice teacher. Given a choice between her and most current pop "singers", I'd probably prefer to listen to her. (However, that's not saying much, since I'd prefer silence to either!) So she's not Bubbles. So what? I've heard her say nothing to suggest she even *wants* to be another Bubbles! Baird -- You know you're getting old when Muzak plays the Top 40 of your salad days. |
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Singer Boyle reaches Talent final
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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote: Practically anyone who can carry a tune CAN!!!! The only thing "amazing" about her voice is the chutpzah that allows her to display it in public. To call it "beautiful" is profound overstatement, and indicates you have not heard any TRULY beautiful voices (which is possible, considering what gets recorded as "professional" singing these days). Would Callas' voice count as "beautiful?" I find Boyle's voice to be more beautiful than Callas' - but then, I never cared for tremolo, especially when it is screeched rather than sung. The "beauty" of a voice is not always a measure of its quality, either. I wouldn't say that Ethel Merman, Tina Turner or Cher had and have particularly "beautiful" voices - but they could and can certainly *sell* a song. Sometimes that counts for more than mere "beauty." I'd be more impressed by Boyle's detractors if so many of them didn't sound as though they are trying very, very hard to persuade themselves that the grapes are sour. Baird -- You know you're getting old when Muzak plays the Top 40 of your salad days. |
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"Cheryl P." wrote in message ... EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote: Practically anyone who can carry a tune CAN!!!! The only thing "amazing" about her voice is the chutpzah that allows her to display it in public. To call it "beautiful" is profound overstatement, and indicates you have not heard any TRULY beautiful voices (which is possible, considering what gets recorded as "professional" singing these days). Could you be specific about what's missing for those of us who are not trained musicians? She certainsly sounds dramatically different (and to me, better) than a great many other singers, including many professionals. I also doubt what you said elsewhere, about anyone being able to learn to sing like that. I couldn't. I can carry a tune, especially if someone else sings along or plays a piano, and the melody isn't too difficult. I can quite often hit the right notes, if the music isn't too hard and I get some help. But I can't sing like she can. I don't have the volume, or the fullness of the sound. I also don't know the right technical music terms to discuss this topic, alas. I can carry a tune and was in a choir once. I cannot sing like Susan Boyle either. Tweed |
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"Baird Stafford" wrote in message
... In article , "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote: Practically anyone who can carry a tune CAN!!!! The only thing "amazing" about her voice is the chutpzah that allows her to display it in public. To call it "beautiful" is profound overstatement, and indicates you have not heard any TRULY beautiful voices (which is possible, considering what gets recorded as "professional" singing these days). Would Callas' voice count as "beautiful?" I find Boyle's voice to be more beautiful than Callas' - but then, I never cared for tremolo, especially when it is screeched rather than sung. The "beauty" of a voice is not always a measure of its quality, either. I wouldn't say that Ethel Merman, Tina Turner or Cher had and have particularly "beautiful" voices - but they could and can certainly *sell* a song. Sometimes that counts for more than mere "beauty." I'd be more impressed by Boyle's detractors if so many of them didn't sound as though they are trying very, very hard to persuade themselves that the grapes are sour. Baird I get that impression too. Apparently some people think one has to look glamorous to be a good singer. I like the fact that she doesn't try to pretend to be something she isn't. Joy |
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Baird Stafford wrote:
In article , "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote: snip Don't get me started on what passes for "talent", these days! Aside from her unfortunate appearance (couldn't she at least TRY to improve her grooming?) Her unfortunate appearance, Evelyn? What does it matter what she looks like? The woman can sing. Tweed |
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Singer Boyle reaches Talent final
MLB wrote:
Adrian wrote: Scottish singer Susan Boyle has secured a place in the final of ITV's Britain's Got Talent, after performing live on television for the first time. To bring it on topic, she sang, Memory from the musical, Cats. :-) I tried to find it on the TV and computer but the only thing I could bring up was the previous show. She is extraordinary and she is "tops". MLB I located it today on the computer and she definitely would get my vote. IMHO she has a lovely voice and she is a winner as far as I am concerned. Not everyone is a beauty contestant but I personally think she looks just fine. MLB |
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Singer Boyle reaches Talent final
Scottish singer Susan Boyle has secured a place in the final of
ITV's Britain's Got Talent The only thing "amazing" about her voice is the chutpzah that allows her to display it in public. To call it "beautiful" is profound overstatement I'm not that bothered about voice quality - one of my main interests is folk music, where the whole *point* is that any voice can do it. But Boyle is only interested in performing the most cliched, sentimental, commercially middle-of-the-road garbage imaginable. I won't willingly listen to ANYBODY singing that crap, and the fact that they have a made-for-TV romantic-fantasy background story of overcoming frumpiness and mental retardation to get where they are doesn't do a damn thing to make me want to listen. Evelyn has written here or in some other forum about the singer Thomas Quasthoff, who has some very severe physical problem. I forget what it is; I listen to Quasthoff because of what he sounds like. Probably he could have sucked up to a TV executive and turned himself into a cripple-does-good success story, but he had the good taste not to. I can think of two major-league instrumental players I knew from recordings and was surprised to see them come on stage in wheelchairs when I first saw them live; none of the sleeve notes mentioned any handicaps they'd had to deal with. Once the novelty of the "brain-damaged frump makes the big time" angle wears off, Boyle's complete lack of originality will see her consigned to oblivion again. She's only where she is now because the British tabloids needed a long-running human interest story and Jade Goody finally made herself unavailable. ==== j a c k at c a m p i n . m e . u k === http://www.campin.me.uk ==== Jack Campin, 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland == mob 07800 739 557 CD-ROMs and free stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, and Mac logic fonts ****** I killfile Google posts - email me if you want to be whitelisted ****** |
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"Jack Campin - bogus address" wrote in message ... Scottish singer Susan Boyle has secured a place in the final of Once the novelty of the "brain-damaged frump makes the big time" angle wears off, Boyle's complete lack of originality will see her consigned to oblivion again. She's only where she is now because the British tabloids needed a long-running human interest story and Jade Goody finally made herself unavailable. What a grump you are, Jack. I saw Susan Boyle for the first time last night, I missed her the first time. I did notice that she had a slight touch of learning disability there, but you cannot say that she doesn't have a wonderful voice. All power to her, I hope she wins. Tweed |
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On May 25, 6:05*pm, Baird Stafford wrote:
In article , *"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote: Practically anyone who can carry a tune CAN!!!! *The only thing "amazing" about her voice is the chutpzah that allows her to display it in public. *To call it "beautiful" is profound overstatement, and indicates you have not heard any TRULY beautiful voices (which is possible, considering what gets recorded as "professional" singing these days). Would Callas' voice count as "beautiful?" *I find Boyle's voice to be more beautiful than Callas' - but then, I never cared for tremolo, especially when it is screeched rather than sung. The "beauty" of a voice is not always a measure of its quality, either. * I wouldn't say that Ethel Merman, Tina Turner or Cher had and have particularly "beautiful" voices - but they could and can certainly *sell* a song. *Sometimes that counts for more than mere "beauty." I'd be more impressed by Boyle's detractors if so many of them didn't sound as though they are trying very, very hard to persuade themselves that the grapes are sour. Baird Andrea Bocelli even had some awful reviews and distractors, who even went as far as to say the attraction to the public was not a great singing voice, it was the blind-guy- overcomes-disability card that made him a star. (I disagree). IIRC Ray Charles didn't call himself a singer, but a "song stylist." Still he was a wonderful entertainer and sang from the soul. And nobody whines like Bob Dylan. I do like opera, but it would be a boring world if that were the only music available. Sherry |
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Singer Boyle reaches Talent final
Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:
Scottish singer Susan Boyle has secured a place in the final of ITV's Britain's Got Talent The only thing "amazing" about her voice is the chutpzah that allows her to display it in public. To call it "beautiful" is profound overstatement I'm not that bothered about voice quality - one of my main interests is folk music, where the whole *point* is that any voice can do it. But Boyle is only interested in performing the most cliched, sentimental, commercially middle-of-the-road garbage imaginable. I won't willingly listen to ANYBODY singing that crap, and the fact that they have a made-for-TV romantic-fantasy background story of overcoming frumpiness and mental retardation to get where they are doesn't do a damn thing to make me want to listen. But thats what gets on TV. She'd be stupid if she sang something that the mainstream audience couldn't relate to, and sappy overly-emotional 'Big Number' show-tunes are pretty much the only 'style' she could do well enough to please the audience (predominantly young and mainstream) in question. She'd certainly look (and probably sound) extremely silly doing modern pop songs, most jazz, rock or the blues (perhaps powerballads would work, but I can't imagine her doing Bed of Roses by BonJovi for example). As any performer would know, half the task of giving a well-received performance is understanding and *working* your audience. In this regard, she (or whoever is managing/advising her) is doing very well indeed, and the 'frumpy, old, mentally challenged unrecognised talent' schtick is just the cherry on top. In this regard, she's going to be quite successful... at least until the novelty wanes (like many of the other "talents" that have been shot to stardom and then abandoned by the likes of /Idol/, /got talent/, Stock, Aitkin and waterman, and Malcolm McClaren). But unlike many 'talents' in those sorts of stables, I don't think she'll be quite so gullible to the lies those folks like to spin, and I suspect she is less likely to believe her own publicity as the good-looking youngen's who are desperate for fame and fortune that such mass-producers use as fodder. Even if she sinks back into obscurity, I suspect she'll continue singing just as she did, and remain pretty much the person she always has been. I don't think she'll suffer the 'hasbeens' of visibly burning out to the utter glee of tabloids as many other ex-members of the talent 'stables'. And yes, I like many others who have no idea about 'what real music is', I find the way she sings spine tingling and inspiring. Even if a good-looking 20-something had that voice, I'd find it enjoyable. And in the end, thats what sells the I-Tunes downloads[1], not the critic's opinion, as valid as it well may be. Yowie [1] I was going to write 'records' but thats such an old-fashioned thing to say -- "because its more fun to be evil" - Jarppi, _The Dudesons_ |
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