Lincoln's views on slavery

On Jun 6, 10:31*pm, mg wrote:
On Jun 5, 6:01*am, Gary wrote:









On Wed, 5 Jun 2013 04:43:23 -0700 (PDT), mg
wrote:

On Jun 5, 5:12 am, Gary wrote:
The Real Lincoln in His Own Words

" I think no wise man has perceived, how it [slavery] could be at once
eradicated, without producing a greater evil, even to the cause of
human liberty himself."

http://lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo257.html

"...The real Lincoln was a dictator and a tyrant who shredded the
Constitution, fiendishly orchestrated the mass murder of hundreds of
thousands of fellow citizens, and did it all for the economic benefit
of the special interests who funded the Republican Party....."

I think this is the entire quote during a Eulogy on Henry Clay on July
6, 1852:

"Having been led to allude to domestic slavery so frequently already,
I am unwilling to close without referring more particularly to Mr.
Clay's views and conduct in regard to it. He ever was on principle and
in feeling, opposed to slavery. The very earliest, and one of the
latest public efforts of his life, separated by a period of more than
fifty years, were both made in favor of gradual emancipation of the
slaves in Kentucky. He did not perceive, that on a question of human
right, the negroes were to be excepted from the human race. And yet
Mr. Clay was the owner of slaves. Cast into life where slavery was
already widely spread and deeply seated, he did not perceive, as I
think no wise man has perceived, how it could be at once eradicated,
without producing a greater evil, even to the cause of human liberty
itself. His feeling and his judgment, therefore, ever led him to
oppose both extremes of opinion on the subject. Those who would shiver
into fragments the Union of these States; tear to tatters its now
venerated constitution; and even burn the last copy of the Bible,
rather than slavery should continue a single hour, together with all
their more halting sympathisers, have received, and are receiving
their just execration; and the name, and opinions, and influence of
Mr. Clay, are fully, and, as I trust, effectually and enduringly,
arrayed against them."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/ne...1/replies?c=17

That's interesting. * I'll read it all later. * Right now, * I'm in
the middle of reading about how Booth killed Lincoln. * *I think there
is more there than meets the eye.

I think Lincoln was a good man that was born during the bad times when
most everybody was proslavery and I think he was also, at least at one
time. However, I think he was ahead of the country in seeing the wrong
of slavery and looking forward to its eventual demise.

Slavery was evil. *And the men who bought and sold slaves were evil.
What one thing *-- other than slavery -- has caused (and still causes)
this country so much damage ?

Funny thing is that in 1860, *probably 90% of Southerners also hated
slavery. * *But what they hated worse than slavery was the thought of
.... integration. * * So they fought a war to preserve segregation.
At a cost of 300,000 dead you men. * *Two of my ancestors among them.
And they ended up with .... integration.

According to Wikipedia total deaths are estimated at "750,000 soldiers
and an undetermined number of civilian casualties. Historian John
.................................................. .................................................. ...
Huddleston estimates the death toll at ten percent of all Northern
males 20–45 years old, and 30 percent of all Southern white males aged
18–40."

HA!

The axiom that one of the fruits of victory in war is how the history
of that war is interpreted manifests still again.

Depends on how those 'historians' spin the numbers


A history lesson for you:

"The U.S. Civil War, also called the War between the States, was
waged
from April 1861 until April 1865...

....The casualties had been enormous for both sides. More than 359,000
Union soldiers had died, while the Confederate dead numbered
258,000...."

Read mo U.S. Civil War - Union, Lincoln, Lee, Grant, Court, and
Troops http://law.jrank.org/pages/11021/U-S...#ixzz1Ggw8VQH3

Do the math.

Despite your so called rebel "hillbillies" in the CSA being
massively .outnumbered and
outgunned it still took over one Union casualty to effect a single
Confederate casualty.

Another War Between the States? Red States vs Blue States?
Conservatism vs Socialism?

Things would be even worse for yankees in Blue States this go around

Your rebel "hillbillies" in those conservative Red States got most
of the guns now and they know how to use them ,,,,.

A new cessation by conservative Red States, a new Confederacy?

google: "freeze a yankee in the dark

then google "starve a yankee in the dark:

.. . .

"New Estimate Raises Civil War Death Toll

By GUY GUGLIOTTA
Published: April 2, 2012

For 110 years, the numbers stood as gospel: 618,222 men died in the
Civil War, 360,222 from the North and 258,000 from the South — by far
the greatest toll of any war in American history.

But new research shows that the numbers were far too low.

By combing through newly digitized census data from the 19th century,
J. David Hacker, a demographic historian from Binghamton University in
New York, has recalculated the death toll and increased it by more
than 20 percent — to 750,000.

The new figure is already winning acceptance from scholars. . . ."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/03/sc...anted=all&_r=0

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On Jun 6, 10:31 pm, mg wrote:
On Jun 5, 6:01 am, Gary wrote:









On Wed, 5 Jun 2013 04:43:23 -0700 (PDT), mg
wrote:

On Jun 5, 5:12 am, Gary wrote:
The Real Lincoln in His Own Words

" I think no wise man has perceived, how it [slavery] could be at
once
eradicated, without producing a greater evil, even to the cause of
human liberty himself."

http://lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo257.html

"...The real Lincoln was a dictator and a tyrant who shredded the
Constitution, fiendishly orchestrated the mass murder of hundreds of
thousands of fellow citizens, and did it all for the economic
benefit
of the special interests who funded the Republican Party....."

I think this is the entire quote during a Eulogy on Henry Clay on July
6, 1852:

"Having been led to allude to domestic slavery so frequently already,
I am unwilling to close without referring more particularly to Mr.
Clay's views and conduct in regard to it. He ever was on principle and
in feeling, opposed to slavery. The very earliest, and one of the
latest public efforts of his life, separated by a period of more than
fifty years, were both made in favor of gradual emancipation of the
slaves in Kentucky. He did not perceive, that on a question of human
right, the negroes were to be excepted from the human race. And yet
Mr. Clay was the owner of slaves. Cast into life where slavery was
already widely spread and deeply seated, he did not perceive, as I
think no wise man has perceived, how it could be at once eradicated,
without producing a greater evil, even to the cause of human liberty
itself. His feeling and his judgment, therefore, ever led him to
oppose both extremes of opinion on the subject. Those who would shiver
into fragments the Union of these States; tear to tatters its now
venerated constitution; and even burn the last copy of the Bible,
rather than slavery should continue a single hour, together with all
their more halting sympathisers, have received, and are receiving
their just execration; and the name, and opinions, and influence of
Mr. Clay, are fully, and, as I trust, effectually and enduringly,
arrayed against them."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/ne...1/replies?c=17

That's interesting. I'll read it all later. Right now, I'm in
the middle of reading about how Booth killed Lincoln. I think there
is more there than meets the eye.

I think Lincoln was a good man that was born during the bad times when
most everybody was proslavery and I think he was also, at least at one
time. However, I think he was ahead of the country in seeing the wrong
of slavery and looking forward to its eventual demise.

Slavery was evil. And the men who bought and sold slaves were evil.
What one thing -- other than slavery -- has caused (and still causes)
this country so much damage ?

Funny thing is that in 1860, probably 90% of Southerners also hated
slavery. But what they hated worse than slavery was the thought of
.... integration. So they fought a war to preserve segregation.
At a cost of 300,000 dead you men. Two of my ancestors among them.
And they ended up with .... integration.

According to Wikipedia total deaths are estimated at "750,000 soldiers
and an undetermined number of civilian casualties. Historian John
.................................................. .................................................. .
Huddleston estimates the death toll at ten percent of all Northern
males 20–45 years old, and 30 percent of all Southern white males aged
18–40."

HA!

The axiom that one of the fruits of victory in war is how the history
of that war is interpreted manifests still again.

Depends on how those 'historians' spin the numbers


A history lesson for you:

"The U.S. Civil War, also called the War between the States, was
waged
from April 1861 until April 1865...

...The casualties had been enormous for both sides. More than 359,000
Union soldiers had died, while the Confederate dead numbered
258,000...."

Read mo U.S. Civil War - Union, Lincoln, Lee, Grant, Court, and
Troops http://law.jrank.org/pages/11021/U-S...#ixzz1Ggw8VQH3

Do the math.

Despite your so called rebel "hillbillies" in the CSA being
massively .outnumbered and
outgunned it still took over one Union casualty to effect a single
Confederate casualty.

Another War Between the States? Red States vs Blue States?
Conservatism vs Socialism?

Things would be even worse for yankees in Blue States this go around

Your rebel "hillbillies" in those conservative Red States got most
of the guns now and they know how to use them ,,,,.

A new cessation by conservative Red States, a new Confederacy?

google: "freeze a yankee in the dark

then google "starve a yankee in the dark:
..
..
..
You speak of rebellion.
You speak against majority rule.
Your are a traitor to America

On Jun 7, 10:18*am, "Sid9" sid9@ bellsouth.net wrote:
":????????" wrote in message

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On Jun 6, 10:31 pm, mg wrote:
On Jun 5, 6:01 am, Gary wrote:

On Wed, 5 Jun 2013 04:43:23 -0700 (PDT), mg
wrote:

On Jun 5, 5:12 am, Gary wrote:
The Real Lincoln in His Own Words

" I think no wise man has perceived, how it [slavery] could be at
once
eradicated, without producing a greater evil, even to the cause of
human liberty himself."

http://lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo257.html

"...The real Lincoln was a dictator and a tyrant who shredded the
Constitution, fiendishly orchestrated the mass murder of hundreds of
thousands of fellow citizens, and did it all for the economic
benefit
of the special interests who funded the Republican Party....."

I think this is the entire quote during a Eulogy on Henry Clay on July
6, 1852:

"Having been led to allude to domestic slavery so frequently already,
I am unwilling to close without referring more particularly to Mr.
Clay's views and conduct in regard to it. He ever was on principle and
in feeling, opposed to slavery. The very earliest, and one of the
latest public efforts of his life, separated by a period of more than
fifty years, were both made in favor of gradual emancipation of the
slaves in Kentucky. He did not perceive, that on a question of human
right, the negroes were to be excepted from the human race. And yet
Mr. Clay was the owner of slaves. Cast into life where slavery was
already widely spread and deeply seated, he did not perceive, as I
think no wise man has perceived, how it could be at once eradicated,
without producing a greater evil, even to the cause of human liberty
itself. His feeling and his judgment, therefore, ever led him to
oppose both extremes of opinion on the subject. Those who would shiver
into fragments the Union of these States; tear to tatters its now
venerated constitution; and even burn the last copy of the Bible,
rather than slavery should continue a single hour, together with all
their more halting sympathisers, have received, and are receiving
their just execration; and the name, and opinions, and influence of
Mr. Clay, are fully, and, as I trust, effectually and enduringly,
arrayed against them."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/ne...1/replies?c=17

That's interesting. * I'll read it all later. * Right now, * I'm in
the middle of reading about how Booth killed Lincoln. * *I think there
is more there than meets the eye.

I think Lincoln was a good man that was born during the bad times when
most everybody was proslavery and I think he was also, at least at one
time. However, I think he was ahead of the country in seeing the wrong
of slavery and looking forward to its eventual demise.

Slavery was evil. *And the men who bought and sold slaves were evil.
What one thing *-- other than slavery -- has caused (and still causes)
this country so much damage ?

Funny thing is that in 1860, *probably 90% of Southerners also hated
slavery. * *But what they hated worse than slavery was the thought of
.... integration. * * So they fought a war to preserve segregation.
At a cost of 300,000 dead you men. * *Two of my ancestors among them.
And they ended up with .... integration.

According to Wikipedia total deaths are estimated at "750,000 soldiers
and an undetermined number of civilian casualties. Historian John
.................................................. .......................... ..........................
Huddleston estimates the death toll at ten percent of all Northern
males 20�45 years old, and 30 percent of all Southern white males aged
18�40."

HA!

The axiom that one of the fruits of victory in war is how the history
of that war is interpreted manifests still again.

Depends on how those 'historians' spin the numbers

A history lesson for you:

"The U.S. Civil War, also called the War between the States, was
waged
from April 1861 until April 1865...

...The casualties had been enormous for both sides. More than 359,000
Union soldiers had died, while the Confederate dead numbered
258,000...."

Read mo U.S. Civil War - Union, Lincoln, Lee, Grant, Court, and
Troopshttp://law.jrank.org/pages/11021/U-S-Civil-War.html#ixzz1Ggw8VQH3

Do the math.

Despite your so called rebel "hillbillies" in the CSA being
massively .outnumbered and
outgunned it still took over one Union casualty to effect a single
Confederate casualty.
.................................................. ...........................................
Another War Between the States? Red States vs Blue States?
Conservatism vs Socialism?

Things would be even worse for yankees in Blue States this go around

Your rebel *"hillbillies" in those conservative Red States *got most
of the guns now and they know how to use them ,,,,.
.................................................. ...........................................
A new cessation by conservative Red States, a new Confederacy?

google: "freeze a yankee in the dark

then google "starve a yankee in the dark:

.................................................. ................................... .
..