"The Russian Blue" book, anyone?

Jellicoe,

If you could actually give the cat the facts.. ALL the facts, Im certain
there isn't a cat in the world that would go outside. Cats aren't
particularly fond of being chased by dogs, hit by cars, tortured by mean
moronic people, getting caught in the rain, getting lost, wandering into a
neighbors yard who just treated with pesticide or any of the other hundreds
of other evils out there in the world.

Sadly, too many cat owners aren't aware of their cats, and they do not
provide enough mental and physical stimulation to keep them happy. Cats do
NOT need to go outside to get the stimulation they need. My five have shown
absolutely NO interest in going outside... including my eldest who used to.

Jellico is totally correct. The ideal life for a cat, if it can be
managed, is an indoor-outdoor life. Given the cat overpopulation
problem. I would not go so far as to suggest that anyone who is in an
urban environment shouldn't have a cat - a safe and loving home is
always better than no home at all, but I, at least, would express
regret if I were forced to keep my cats indoors 24/7.

I have seen cats wary about going through doors to the outside when
they are concerned whether or not the door will remain open for them
to return. I have never seen a cat in my life that would not joyfully
bound into a yard when it is no longer worried about that. Never,
ever, ever.

Jellico is totally correct. The ideal life for a cat, if it can be
managed, is an indoor-outdoor life. Given the cat overpopulation
problem. I would not go so far as to suggest that anyone who is in an
urban environment shouldn't have a cat - a safe and loving home is
always better than no home at all, but I, at least, would express
regret if I were forced to keep my cats indoors 24/7.

I have seen cats wary about going through doors to the outside when
they are concerned whether or not the door will remain open for them
to return. I have never seen a cat in my life that would not joyfully
bound into a yard when it is no longer worried about that. Never,
ever, ever.

"Victor Martinez" wrote in message
...
Jellicoe wrote:
inquisitive to keep penned up like that. I still honestly believe that
any cat would be happier with the option to go outside, and that no
cat in the world would opt to stay permanantly indoors if given the
choice. If you leave your back door open, do your cats chose not to go
out through it?

Xoxo, our oldest and former outdoors-only cat (we rescued him) has never
shown any desire to go outside. He's been out and he didn't like it one
bit. You see, it's much more comfortable inside.
I see you chose to ignore the part where I mentioned there's research
out there that proves that indoor-only cats are as happy as their
indoor-outdoor counterparts. Good for you. You keep repeating your truth
to yourself and avoid any facts that might contradict you.

Research is like statistics; it can be made to "prove" whatever the person
presenting it wants it to prove.

I still and will always maintain a cat should be allowed to do as it
pleases, if it wants to go out, it should be allowed to. If you don't want
it to, or you live in an area where it is *unsafe* for a cat to be
outside, you should not have one.

Ivor

"Victor Martinez" wrote in message
...
Jellicoe wrote:
inquisitive to keep penned up like that. I still honestly believe that
any cat would be happier with the option to go outside, and that no
cat in the world would opt to stay permanantly indoors if given the
choice. If you leave your back door open, do your cats chose not to go
out through it?

Xoxo, our oldest and former outdoors-only cat (we rescued him) has never
shown any desire to go outside. He's been out and he didn't like it one
bit. You see, it's much more comfortable inside.
I see you chose to ignore the part where I mentioned there's research
out there that proves that indoor-only cats are as happy as their
indoor-outdoor counterparts. Good for you. You keep repeating your truth
to yourself and avoid any facts that might contradict you.

Research is like statistics; it can be made to "prove" whatever the person
presenting it wants it to prove.

I still and will always maintain a cat should be allowed to do as it
pleases, if it wants to go out, it should be allowed to. If you don't want
it to, or you live in an area where it is *unsafe* for a cat to be
outside, you should not have one.

Ivor

Ivor Jones wrote:
Research is like statistics; it can be made to "prove" whatever the person
presenting it wants it to prove.

I take it your not a scientist. I am.

I still and will always maintain a cat should be allowed to do as it
pleases, if it wants to go out, it should be allowed to. If you don't want
it to, or you live in an area where it is *unsafe* for a cat to be
outside, you should not have one.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. Misguided as it might be.

Cheers.

--
Victor Martinez
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Ivor Jones wrote:
Research is like statistics; it can be made to "prove" whatever the person
presenting it wants it to prove.

I take it your not a scientist. I am.

I still and will always maintain a cat should be allowed to do as it
pleases, if it wants to go out, it should be allowed to. If you don't want
it to, or you live in an area where it is *unsafe* for a cat to be
outside, you should not have one.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. Misguided as it might be.

Cheers.

--
Victor Martinez
Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)
Send your spam he
Email me he

"Victor Martinez" wrote in message
...
Ivor Jones wrote:
Research is like statistics; it can be made to "prove" whatever the
person
presenting it wants it to prove.

I take it your not a scientist. I am.

I still and will always maintain a cat should be allowed to do as it
pleases, if it wants to go out, it should be allowed to. If you don't
want
it to, or you live in an area where it is *unsafe* for a cat to be
outside, you should not have one.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. Misguided as it might be.

As are you to yours. I just feel sorry for all those cats worldwide
effectively kept prisoner for such opinions.

Ivor

"Victor Martinez" wrote in message
...
Ivor Jones wrote:
Research is like statistics; it can be made to "prove" whatever the
person
presenting it wants it to prove.

I take it your not a scientist. I am.

I still and will always maintain a cat should be allowed to do as it
pleases, if it wants to go out, it should be allowed to. If you don't
want
it to, or you live in an area where it is *unsafe* for a cat to be
outside, you should not have one.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. Misguided as it might be.

As are you to yours. I just feel sorry for all those cats worldwide
effectively kept prisoner for such opinions.

Ivor

Ivor jones w/a phoney email address blankly utters

I still and will always maintain a cat should be allowed to do as it
pleases, if it wants to go out, it should be allowed to. If you don't want
it to, or you live in an area where it is *unsafe* for a cat to be
outside, you should not have one.


Cats are he or she...never "it". Are you really saying that 3/4 of those people
who don't live as recluses should give up their cats? Are you familiar with the
current US vs European debate about indoor - outdoor cats? Do you know that
millions of people live in cities (urban areas) where there are millions of
cars (dangers: getting hit by cars/poisoning of leaking antifreeze) dogs
roaming outdoors (dangers: getting maimed or killed by large dogs) etc.?