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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 16:22:14 +0100, Cal wrote:
A similar situation occurs on Ascension Island in the South Atlantic. There were no real indiginous ground based predators on the island, which forms the breeding grounds for large numbers of seabirds many of which nest on open rocky beaches. The introduced cat population often decimates these colonies by killing large numbers of flightless chicks,often not even eating them. If it only kills 1 in 10 of them, what's the problem? -- "It's easier to find people online who openly support the KKK than people who openly support the RIAA" -- comment on Wikipedia (Email: zen19725 at zen dot co dot uk) |
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 16:22:14 +0100, Cal wrote:
A similar situation occurs on Ascension Island in the South Atlantic. There were no real indiginous ground based predators on the island, which forms the breeding grounds for large numbers of seabirds many of which nest on open rocky beaches. The introduced cat population often decimates these colonies by killing large numbers of flightless chicks,often not even eating them. If it only kills 1 in 10 of them, what's the problem? -- "It's easier to find people online who openly support the KKK than people who openly support the RIAA" -- comment on Wikipedia (Email: zen19725 at zen dot co dot uk) |
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 18:13:26 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
wrote: My reaction, too! Tempting a cat with the great outdoors when it's confined and can't explore seems to me extreme cruelty. Although I prefer to let my cats come and go as they choose (and believe the cats prefer it that way, too), I now live where Melisande must perforce be an indoor cat. Her only exposure to the outdoors now (other than window sitting) is when she must make a trip to the vet. Cats can adapt to being indoor only, if they must - teasing one with trips outdoors confined to a cage is giving it the worst of both worlds, IMO. In the 7 years I've been taking the cats on walks, I have learned a few things. Number one: cats have their own reasons for wanting to go outside. For five of those seven years, trips outside consisted of me sitting down to read a book, and my Rana-cat perching on the porch rail for a half hour, intently watching for mice in the ivy. Sometimes she'd actually get to pounce (most often missing), and after that she was perfectly happy to go back inside. Now, she will demand to go on the patio so that she can trot across to the detached garage to sleep on the car. The point is, from my experience, cats that want to go outside do not actually want or need to go roaming for vast distances. Cats are ambush predators. Give them a good spot to hunker down and watch for prey, and they will be quite happy, even if nothing ever wanders by. Rebecca |
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 18:13:26 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
wrote: My reaction, too! Tempting a cat with the great outdoors when it's confined and can't explore seems to me extreme cruelty. Although I prefer to let my cats come and go as they choose (and believe the cats prefer it that way, too), I now live where Melisande must perforce be an indoor cat. Her only exposure to the outdoors now (other than window sitting) is when she must make a trip to the vet. Cats can adapt to being indoor only, if they must - teasing one with trips outdoors confined to a cage is giving it the worst of both worlds, IMO. In the 7 years I've been taking the cats on walks, I have learned a few things. Number one: cats have their own reasons for wanting to go outside. For five of those seven years, trips outside consisted of me sitting down to read a book, and my Rana-cat perching on the porch rail for a half hour, intently watching for mice in the ivy. Sometimes she'd actually get to pounce (most often missing), and after that she was perfectly happy to go back inside. Now, she will demand to go on the patio so that she can trot across to the detached garage to sleep on the car. The point is, from my experience, cats that want to go outside do not actually want or need to go roaming for vast distances. Cats are ambush predators. Give them a good spot to hunker down and watch for prey, and they will be quite happy, even if nothing ever wanders by. Rebecca |
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"phil hunt" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 16:22:14 +0100, Cal wrote: A similar situation occurs on Ascension Island in the South Atlantic. There were no real indiginous ground based predators on the island, which forms the breeding grounds for large numbers of seabirds many of which nest on open rocky beaches. The introduced cat population often decimates these colonies by killing large numbers of flightless chicks,often not even eating them. If it only kills 1 in 10 of them, what's the problem? I was using "decimated" in a figurative sense, the damage is probably rather more extreme than 1 in 10. For example; two species of indiginous ground birds are now completely extinct, and others no longer nest on the island itself. This seems pretty off topic for this group, but if anyone is really interested take a look at: http://www.ascension-island.gov.ac/restoration.htm -- Cal |
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"phil hunt" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 16:22:14 +0100, Cal wrote: A similar situation occurs on Ascension Island in the South Atlantic. There were no real indiginous ground based predators on the island, which forms the breeding grounds for large numbers of seabirds many of which nest on open rocky beaches. The introduced cat population often decimates these colonies by killing large numbers of flightless chicks,often not even eating them. If it only kills 1 in 10 of them, what's the problem? I was using "decimated" in a figurative sense, the damage is probably rather more extreme than 1 in 10. For example; two species of indiginous ground birds are now completely extinct, and others no longer nest on the island itself. This seems pretty off topic for this group, but if anyone is really interested take a look at: http://www.ascension-island.gov.ac/restoration.htm -- Cal |
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phil hunt wrote:
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 16:22:14 +0100, Cal wrote: A similar situation occurs on Ascension Island in the South Atlantic. There were no real indiginous ground based predators on the island, which forms the breeding grounds for large numbers of seabirds many of which nest on open rocky beaches. The introduced cat population often decimates these colonies by killing large numbers of flightless chicks,often not even eating them. If it only kills 1 in 10 of them, what's the problem? Like many other words, decimates, is usualy used wrongly. I doubt many people would know what it actualy means. -- Adrian (Owned by Snoopy, Milo & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat. |
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phil hunt wrote:
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 16:22:14 +0100, Cal wrote: A similar situation occurs on Ascension Island in the South Atlantic. There were no real indiginous ground based predators on the island, which forms the breeding grounds for large numbers of seabirds many of which nest on open rocky beaches. The introduced cat population often decimates these colonies by killing large numbers of flightless chicks,often not even eating them. If it only kills 1 in 10 of them, what's the problem? Like many other words, decimates, is usualy used wrongly. I doubt many people would know what it actualy means. -- Adrian (Owned by Snoopy, Milo & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat. |
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"Adrian" writes:
phil hunt wrote: On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 16:22:14 +0100, Cal wrote: A similar situation occurs on Ascension Island in the South Atlantic. There were no real indiginous ground based predators on the island, which forms the breeding grounds for large numbers of seabirds many of which nest on open rocky beaches. The introduced cat population often decimates these colonies by killing large numbers of flightless chicks,often not even eating them. If it only kills 1 in 10 of them, what's the problem? Like many other words, decimates, is usualy used wrongly. I doubt many people would know what it actualy means. Hmm.. Just curious, but didn't "populus" refer to a groups of of persons and should be tha above "many person would know"? |
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"Adrian" writes:
phil hunt wrote: On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 16:22:14 +0100, Cal wrote: A similar situation occurs on Ascension Island in the South Atlantic. There were no real indiginous ground based predators on the island, which forms the breeding grounds for large numbers of seabirds many of which nest on open rocky beaches. The introduced cat population often decimates these colonies by killing large numbers of flightless chicks,often not even eating them. If it only kills 1 in 10 of them, what's the problem? Like many other words, decimates, is usualy used wrongly. I doubt many people would know what it actualy means. Hmm.. Just curious, but didn't "populus" refer to a groups of of persons and should be tha above "many person would know"? |
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