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Joy wrote:
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message m... jmcquown wrote: On 9/14/2013 2:49 PM, EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote: Case in point: "Lady Day" (jazz singer Billy Holiday). But she was far from the only jazz musician who started with marijuana, then graduated to the hard stuff. Janis Joplin, Hendrix, yada yada yada. How about people you know? Did you ever meet someone who was suddenly a drug addict because they smoked pot? SFAIK, I never knew anyone who smoked pot! (Except for professional jazz musicians, my generation just didn't.) I suspect you and I may be in the same generation. When I was in high school, I went to school one day to find the whole campus buzzing. A surprise search of gym lockers had found some pot in one of them. Everybody in the school was shocked. Joy, You're in the same generation as my parents (my dad was born in 1933, and mom in '34). I remember in the early 70s when everyone was concerned about kids taking drugs, my dad said that when he was young, the only people who smoked it (in the US) were urban black jazz musicians, and they'd pull the shades down first. I can only assume he was talking about the 40s or early 50s. By the 60s, marijuana and some other drugs (eg, LSD) had become popular with white, middle-class teenagers and young adults. When harder drugs hit the suburbs, suddenly we had a crisis on our hands, but people in inner cities had been using drugs like heroin for years. -- Joyce He spent one-third of the time telling me about the musical he was writing about raccoons, one-third of the time talking about C++, and one-third of the time demonstrating the plot of Othello using the salt and pepper shakers. -- A Treasury of the World's Worst Online Dating Stories |
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On 9/15/2013 7:02 PM, Joy wrote:
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message m... jmcquown wrote: On 9/14/2013 2:49 PM, EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote: Case in point: "Lady Day" (jazz singer Billy Holiday). But she was far from the only jazz musician who started with marijuana, then graduated to the hard stuff. Janis Joplin, Hendrix, yada yada yada. How about people you know? Did you ever meet someone who was suddenly a drug addict because they smoked pot? SFAIK, I never knew anyone who smoked pot! (Except for professional jazz musicians, my generation just didn't.) I suspect you and I may be in the same generation. When I was in high school, I went to school one day to find the whole campus buzzing. A surprise search of gym lockers had found some pot in one of them. Everybody in the school was shocked. Joy I used to know people who would occasionally smoke pot on their lunch break in high school (1970's). That's something I did NOT do. I took my school-work pretty seriously and made good grades. I have a sneaking suspicion my Dad tried it when he was in Vietnam. Mom once asked me what it was like to smoke pot. I stammered, "uh, uh... ask my brothers!" She asked me that when I was in my 30's. Seriously, I didn't know how to answer her question. I got the feeling she wouldn't have minded giving pot a try. Uh oh. Not knowing what to say, I told her to ask my brothers. What the heck, they're older so it makes sense they might know. Okay, yes, I evaded the question. I knew she wouldn't ask them. LOL She dropped the subject, for which I was grateful. I wouldn't have known where to find pot for her to try in the first place. I was many years away from high school. Jill |
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jmcquown wrote:
I used to know people who would occasionally smoke pot on their lunch break in high school (1970's). Ah, the "dazed and confused" generation. I have a sneaking suspicion my Dad tried it when he was in Vietnam. If that's all he did drug-wise, he was lucky. Lots of vets came back from Vietnam with serious heroin habits. Mom once asked me what it was like to smoke pot. I stammered, "uh, uh... ask my brothers!" LOL. I have to tell you about my family. We were all degenerates. My dad smoked pot when I was still in high school. My sister and I would raid his stash from time to time - what was he going to do, confront us? Then he'd have to admit that he was smoking it, too. We only did it when we were out of our own, because the stuff he had was terrible, probably home-grown. I lived in Massachusetts, so "home-grown" was synonymous with poor quality. It wasn't like sunny California. Also, it was a long time ago, before the stuff was bred to be stronger. On the other hand, you could buy an ounce for $20. After all the experimentation, my dad was the only one who had developed a real habit. He continued to smoke and do other drugs for years after the rest of us had decided we'd had enough. I don't think he's still doing it, not after his quintuple bypass 10 years ago. In spite of all that (the years of various drugs and smoking cigarettes), he's in surprisingly good health now. Well, physically. Psychologically, the picture isn't so rosy. Which is why I steer clear of him most of the time. -- Joyce Do not walk behind me, for I may not lead. Do not walk ahead of me, for I may not follow. Do not walk beside me, either. Just leave me the hell alone. -- Unknown |
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"jmcquown" wrote in message
... On 9/15/2013 3:19 PM, EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote: jmcquown wrote: On 9/14/2013 2:49 PM, EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote: Case in point: "Lady Day" (jazz singer Billy Holiday). But she was far from the only jazz musician who started with marijuana, then graduated to the hard stuff. Janis Joplin, Hendrix, yada yada yada. How about people you know? Did you ever meet someone who was suddenly a drug addict because they smoked pot? SFAIK, I never knew anyone who smoked pot! (Except for professional jazz musicians, my generation just didn't.) Yes, different generation. Or those who did kept it well hidden. (I never knew any professional jazz musicians, either.) At any rate, I'm not promoting smoking pot. I'm just saying I never saw any evidence of it leading to harder drugs among my peer group. Jill I've never known anybody who smoked it, that I knew about. However, I once worked for an attorney. He had a lawyer friend who had to give up his practice because he said smoking marijuana fried his brain. Joy |
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"Bastette" wrote in message
... Joy wrote: "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message m... jmcquown wrote: On 9/14/2013 2:49 PM, EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote: Case in point: "Lady Day" (jazz singer Billy Holiday). But she was far from the only jazz musician who started with marijuana, then graduated to the hard stuff. Janis Joplin, Hendrix, yada yada yada. How about people you know? Did you ever meet someone who was suddenly a drug addict because they smoked pot? SFAIK, I never knew anyone who smoked pot! (Except for professional jazz musicians, my generation just didn't.) I suspect you and I may be in the same generation. When I was in high school, I went to school one day to find the whole campus buzzing. A surprise search of gym lockers had found some pot in one of them. Everybody in the school was shocked. Joy, You're in the same generation as my parents (my dad was born in 1933, and mom in '34). I remember in the early 70s when everyone was concerned about kids taking drugs, my dad said that when he was young, the only people who smoked it (in the US) were urban black jazz musicians, and they'd pull the shades down first. I can only assume he was talking about the 40s or early 50s. By the 60s, marijuana and some other drugs (eg, LSD) had become popular with white, middle-class teenagers and young adults. When harder drugs hit the suburbs, suddenly we had a crisis on our hands, but people in inner cities had been using drugs like heroin for years. -- Joyce He spent one-third of the time telling me about the musical he was writing about raccoons, one-third of the time talking about C++, and one-third of the time demonstrating the plot of Othello using the salt and pepper shakers. -- A Treasury of the World's Worst Online Dating Stories You're right about my generation. I was born in '35. Joy |
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On 9/16/2013 6:47 PM, Bastette wrote:
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote: jmcquown wrote: Again, it depends on the drug. I don't believe marijuana is addictive. Neither is alcohol (in theory) but that doesn't prevent an awful lot of people being addicted to it! Alcohol has far more addictive properties than marijuana. Alcoholics develop a tolerance to the drug and then require more and more to achieve the same effect. Their body becomes dependent on it and withdrawing is a difficult phase of becoming sober. The DT's (delirium tremens) are a *very* physical withdrawal symptom. I don't think marijuana has any of those properties, on either the chemical or biological level. However, it's true that some people get psychologically dependent to it. They might appear to be similar to alcoholics, but technically, they're different issues. I agree. I didn't have any trouble giving up marijuana. Would I try it again if offered? Quite possibly. I know from experience even if I enjoyed it, I can easily walk away from it. BTDT. I think alcoholism may be genetic. My dad's father was an alcoholic. (This was a grandfather I rarely saw. Dad's parents divorced during WWII while Dad was in the South Pacific. Grandpa moved to Washington State.) My dad was an alcoholic and so were his two brothers, one older, one younger. Fortunately, Dad quit drinking in 1976. We never knew why he suddenly decided to quit. He just came home one day and told Mom he was giving up drinking. I suspect he had some near-miss that really shook him. I can't tell you the number of times Mom was called to come pick him up at some bar. After he stopped drinking he craved sugar and caffeine. He insisted on having candy (mostly M&M's) or other sweets in the house. I suspect this is why AA meetings have coffee and doughnuts. It's not simply to be hospitable. Dad did "fall off the wagon" when his older brother died at around age 60. He flew there for the funeral. Then he disappeared for three days. He'd gone on a "bender". He quit drinking again once he got home. Jill |
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On 9/16/2013 10:54 PM, Bastette wrote:
jmcquown wrote: I used to know people who would occasionally smoke pot on their lunch break in high school (1970's). Ah, the "dazed and confused" generation. I have a sneaking suspicion my Dad tried it when he was in Vietnam. If that's all he did drug-wise, he was lucky. Lots of vets came back from Vietnam with serious heroin habits. That's very true. I really doubt my father tried anything harder. He was so straight-laced Marine Corps his combat boots squeaked. LOL But I can picture him (an officer) just trying to be one of the guys. He probably took a toke or two. Mom once asked me what it was like to smoke pot. I stammered, "uh, uh... ask my brothers!" LOL. I have to tell you about my family. We were all degenerates. My dad smoked pot when I was still in high school. My sister and I would raid his stash from time to time - what was he going to do, confront us? Probably not! Then he'd have to admit that he was smoking it, too. We only did it when we were out of our own, because the stuff he had was terrible, probably home-grown. I lived in Massachusetts, so "home-grown" was synonymous with poor quality. "Skunk weed". LOL I don't know where these high school kids got their seeds. Sometimes it was bad, other times nice. It wasn't like sunny California. Also, it was a long time ago, before the stuff was bred to be stronger. On the other hand, you could buy an ounce for $20. In my day it was $15 ounce. Most teenagers could afford that simply on an allowance from of mowing lawns, washing cars, babysitting. After all the experimentation, my dad was the only one who had developed a real habit. He continued to smoke and do other drugs for years after the rest of us had decided we'd had enough. I don't think he's still doing it, not after his quintuple bypass 10 years ago. In spite of all that (the years of various drugs and smoking cigarettes), he's in surprisingly good health now. Well, physically. Psychologically, the picture isn't so rosy. Wow. I'm sorry about your dad, but at least he's in good physical condition. Which is why I steer clear of him most of the time. Is it possible he has Alzheimers? Not talking about using "drugs" now, just wondering. Jill |
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