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Low-phosphorus cat food
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" wrote: Now Purina does make special for urinary tract, which I rarely see in supermarkets: Friskies Special Diet Ocean Whitefish and Tuna Dinner, 5.5 ounces, 31 kcal/oz. Special for urinary tract. 176.1 kcalories, note this is for the 5.5 ounces, not the 3 ounce cans above. Urinary, low magnesium and low pH, phosphorus is 0.61 DMB, 0.17% phosphorus? In previous formulation Ocean Whitefish was superhigh phosphorus. Have to be careful. This phosphorus is 0.61% which is nice and low, so perhaps look for this but be careful. Many of the names sound the same, use the same words, but are NOT the same. I have been unable to find the above-mentioned "Friskies Special Diet Ocean Whitefish and Tuna Dinner" on the Friskies website, or on Google for that matter. They do list a "Friskies Special Diet Ocean Whitefish Diet" for urinary tract. Is it possible that they have discontinued the formulation with tuna? Do you have any information on the Special Diet formulation without tuna? Raff |
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Low-phosphorus cat food
"Steve Crane" wrote in message oups.com... This may help - from Nestle Purina Veterinary Product Guide Fall 2005 All DMB values Fancy Feast Fish & Shrimp Calcium 1.91% phos 1.56% Fancy Feast Turkey & Giblet Feast Ca 1.74%, phos 1.53% Fancy Feast Savory Salmon Feast Ca 1.45% phos 1.45% Fancy Feast Ocean Whitefish & Tuna Feast Ca 1.68%, phos 1.64% Friskies Prime Filets Turkey Dinner Ca 1.79%, phos 1.23% Friskies Turkey & Cheese Dinner Ca 1.32%, phos 1.01% Friskies Salmon Dinner Ca 1.28%, phos 1.28% Friskies Sliced Chicken Dinner Ca 1.53%, phos 1.15% Why did you only post the Fancy Feast and Friskies diets with the highest phosphorus content? Some FF & Friskies diets are as low and even *lower* in phosphorus than some Science Diets. Fancy Feast Marinated Chicken Feast:.................0.09% (AF) - 0.40% (DMB) Fancy Feast Marinated Salmon Feast:..................0.13% (AF) - 0.59% (DMB) Fancy Feast Seafood Filets Tuna & Oceanfish in Aspic: 0.16% (AF) - 0.72% (DMB) Fancy Feast Minced Beef Feast:..........................0.17% (AF) - 0.77% (DMB) Fancy Feast Sliced Beef Feast:...........................0.17% (AF) - 0.77% (DMB) Fancy Feast Marinated Beef Feast:.....................0.18% (AF) - 0.81% (DMB) Fancy Feast Grilled Chicken Feast:.....................0.18% (AF) - 0.81% (DMB) Fancy Feast Grilled Tuna Feast:..........................0.18% (AF) - 0.81% (DMB) Fancy Feast Sliced Beef & Giblets Feast:......... .0.18% (AF) - 0.81% (DMB) Fancy Feast Grilled Turkey Feast:......................0.21% (AF) - 0.95% (DMB) Fancy Feast Sliced Chicken Hearts & Liver Feast: 0.21% (AF) - 0.95% (DMB) Friskies Fine Cuts With Real Chicken in Gravy...............................0.15% (AF)-0.68% (DMB) Friskies Fine Cuts With Real Fish With Ocean Whitefish & Tuna....0.19% (AF)-0.86% (DMB) Friskies Fine Cuts With Tuna In Sauce...........................................0. 19% (AF))-0.86% (DMB) Friskies Prime Filets With Chicken In Gravy...................................0.17% (AF)- 0.77% (DMB) Friskies Seared Filets With Salmon............................................ ....0.19% (AF))-0.86% (DMB) Friskies Seared Filets With Turkey & Giblets..................................0.15% (AF))-0.68% (DMB) Friskies Shredded Chicken & Salmon Dinner in Gravy....................0.18% (AF) - 0.81% (DMB) Friskies Sliced Gourmet Grill............................................. .............0.18% (AF) - 0.81% (DMB) Friskies Special Diet Sliced Chicken In Gravy................................0.17% (AF)- 0.77% (DMB) |
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Low-phosphorus cat food
"Raff" wrote in message ... In article . com, I have been unable to find the above-mentioned "Friskies Special Diet Ocean Whitefish and Tuna Dinner" on the Friskies website, or on Google for that matter. They do list a "Friskies Special Diet Ocean Whitefish Diet" for urinary tract. Friskies Special Diet Ocean Whitefish Diet 0.26% (AF) 1.18% DMB) Do you have any information on the Special Diet formulation without tuna? This is the only Special Diet with Ocean Whitefish that N/P lists in their nutritional profiles. Phil |
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Phil asked-
Why did you only post the Fancy Feast and Friskies diets with the highest phosphorus content? Because he is trying to promote Science Diet! ---MIKE--- In the White Mountains of New Hampshire (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') |
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Phil P. wrote: "Steve Crane" wrote in message oups.com... This may help - from Nestle Purina Veterinary Product Guide Fall 2005 All DMB values Fancy Feast Fish & Shrimp Calcium 1.91% phos 1.56% Fancy Feast Turkey & Giblet Feast Ca 1.74%, phos 1.53% Fancy Feast Savory Salmon Feast Ca 1.45% phos 1.45% Fancy Feast Ocean Whitefish & Tuna Feast Ca 1.68%, phos 1.64% Friskies Prime Filets Turkey Dinner Ca 1.79%, phos 1.23% Friskies Turkey & Cheese Dinner Ca 1.32%, phos 1.01% Friskies Salmon Dinner Ca 1.28%, phos 1.28% Friskies Sliced Chicken Dinner Ca 1.53%, phos 1.15% Why did you only post the Fancy Feast and Friskies diets with the highest phosphorus content? Some FF & Friskies diets are as low and even *lower* in phosphorus than some Science Diets. Because those are the only ones Purina lists in the veterinary product guide - you'd have to ask them why they only put those products in the guide. I did not pick and choose but listed every one of the foods that Purina puts in the veterinary product guide book. |
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Phil P. wrote: "Raff" wrote in message ... In article . com, I have been unable to find the above-mentioned "Friskies Special Diet Ocean Whitefish and Tuna Dinner" on the Friskies website, or on Google for that matter. They do list a "Friskies Special Diet Ocean Whitefish Diet" for urinary tract. Friskies Special Diet Ocean Whitefish Diet 0.26% (AF) 1.18% DMB) Do you have any information on the Special Diet formulation without tuna? This is the only Special Diet with Ocean Whitefish that N/P lists in their nutritional profiles. Phil Thanks for the update. I got that info I posted from them. Apparently it's now way off base. I actually saw that item once and purchased it. |
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(I put both lists in ascending values)
Phil P. wrote: This may help - from Nestle Purina Veterinary Product Guide Fall 2005 All DMB values Fancy Feast Marinated Chicken Feast:.................0.09% (AF) - 0.40%(DMB) Fancy Feast Marinated Salmon Feast:..................0.13% (AF) - 0.59%(DMB) Fancy Feast Seafood Filets Tuna & Oceanfish in Aspic: 0.16% (AF) - 0.72%(DMB) Fancy Feast Minced Beef Feast:..........................0.17% (AF) - 0.77%(DMB) Fancy Feast Sliced Beef Feast:...........................0.17% (AF) - 0.77%(DMB) Fancy Feast Marinated Beef Feast:.....................0.18% (AF) - 0.81%(DMB) Fancy Feast Grilled Chicken Feast:.....................0.18% (AF) - 0.81%(DMB) Fancy Feast Grilled Tuna Feast:..........................0.18% (AF) - 0.81%(DMB) Fancy Feast Sliced Beef & Giblets Feast:......... .0.18% (AF) - 0.81% (DMB) Fancy Feast Grilled Turkey Feast:......................0.21% (AF) - 0.95%(DMB) Fancy Feast Sliced Chicken Hearts & Liver Feast: 0.21% (AF) - 0.95% (DMB) Friskies Fine Cuts With Real Chicken in Gravy...................0.15% (AF)-0.68% (DMB) Friskies Seared Filets With Turkey & Giblets......................0.15% (AF))-0.68% (DMB) Friskies Special Diet Sliced Chicken In Gravy.....................0.17% (AF)- 0.77% (DMB) Friskies Prime Filets With Chicken In Gravy........................0.17% (AF)- 0.77% (DMB) Friskies Shredded Chicken & Salmon Dinner in Gravy........0.18%(AF) - 0.81% (DMB) Friskies Sliced Gourmet Grill............................................. ...0.18% (AF) -0.81% (DMB) Friskies Fine Cuts With Real Fish With Ocean Whitefish & Tuna..0.19%(AF)-0.86% Friskies Fine Cuts With Tuna In Sauce.................................0.19% (AF))-0.86% (DMB) Friskies Seared Filets With Salmon.......................................0.19% (AF))-0.86%(DMB) This is great information. I tried to get this from Purina. I gave up after getting three different values for the same product. It's very uneven the quality of information. It's much better if this is published. It's kind of sad that this ordinary information is only available as a veterinary resource. Why not public information? After all, it's only the product listing. I'm especially put off that the values I was given over the phone for: UPC Bar Code, 5 0000 42524, Friskies Special Diet Sliced Chicken, 5.5 ounce can, Special diet banner - well it does not even exist any more? I guess I cannot depend on Purina for any accurate information unless it is published in some kind of formal representation. Thanks for putting this very basic information out there for us. Friskies Special Diet Ocean Whitefish Diet 0.26% (AF) 1.18% (DMB). In my notes I had this as 1.09% (DMB) in a previous formuation. |
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Steve Crane wrote:
wrote: (I put both lists in ascending values) This is great information. I tried to get this from Purina. I gave up after getting three different values for the same product. It's very uneven the quality of information. It's much better if this is published. It's kind of sad that this ordinary information is only available as a veterinary resource. Why not public information? After all, it's only the product listing. Actually I doubt the information is all that good. Unless you can match the analyticals to the same manufacturing location and the same lot of pet food. Any expectation that nutrient values in grocery store foods will be the same from one lot to another is pretty much wishful thinking. That is not the goal - or even a last place sub-goal of foods manufactured for this market channel. It shouldn't be at all surprising that you would get three or four or different sets of values. It would not surprise me at all to find an analysis of 3 different lots of precisely the same food that have a variation in nutrients by more than 50% from the highest to the lowest. Now I feel much better about the young sounding women [only women] answering the phones at Purina/Nestles. I knew something was very wrong when I got different values for the same product Fancy Feast can. And if I asked repeatedly, well, sometimes I got the same answer and sometimes not. So it's not their fault but the lack or indifference to what are the phosphorus levels. Since most phosphorus levels in Fancy Feast, I mean 55 out of 60 products, to guess roughly, aare too high, more than 1%, for cat food, it was wishful thinking to think I could find a relatively low phosphorus level Fancy Feast. It's possible but now you planted a big seed of doubt coupled with my previous experience with Purina/Nestles. It's also funny that it was very difficult to even get the phosphorus levels. They mail that out only in hard copy. So it's not available digitized anywhere. If I ask on the phone, I will sometimes get phosphorus values, sometimes not. But I had to wait for snail mail. Why? Why not published anywhere? It's published on the vet site part of Purina/Nestles. So is it really solid there? Phil P. was also to reference this but I certainly cannot. An example of NO information was the recent formulation for the "new" Fancy Feast Marinated Morsel Salmon Feast in Gravy, which was previously Marinated Chicken/Salmon Feast in Savory Juices. 1. When I first asked about the above, I was told, NO PHOSPHORUS levels to be had. Why not? How can you put a product on the supermarket shelves and not be able to tell me the amount of phosphorus? Maybe they just do not care? 2. Then I was given different numbers from the old version of this food when I kept asking for phosphorus level for the new Marinated Morsels. 3. Then I was told the phosphorus levels for the new version was the same as the old version. The only difference was they made the food smaller or something in bite sizes. But what about putting this in writing? I still do not see this in writing anywhere. Not for the new product. But your explanation now makes sense of all of this. There is no way to know for sure and with accuracy what is in the foods. Roughly I can estimate phosphorus levels by the type of protein but that is way off base or can be. I missed their lack of precision and just chalked it up to the talking heads not knowing their products. Now I see no one knows what's inside since they lack those controls for the mass supermarket. Bad news. I guess I'll buy more of Science Diet, Steve |
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Phil P. wrote: "Steve Crane" wrote in message oups.com... This may help - from Nestle Purina Veterinary Product Guide Fall 2005 I just registered at Purina using my university affiliation. But I cannot find the above anywhere on the site. I searched for it. Is there yet a super secret part of the Purina Vet site that I have to look for? |
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