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[OT] Tips for Coping
Baha's recent post inspired this. For those of you who don't want to talk
in person (and that is one of the symptoms of depression - we don't have the energy to make the effort to get help), I'm putting down here some of the things to watch for as the early signs of depression (the earlier you catch it, the easier it is to overcome - and as strange as it may seem, we don't always recognize it when we begin to feel depressed), and some tips on what you can do to help yourself get through. Signs to watch for: - Feelings of lethargy, not wanting to put forth the effort to do anything. - Changing your normal routine without apparent cause. - Feeling alone or isolated from the rest of the world. - Loss of appetite (or, for some, eating much more than you normally do). - Sudden weight loss or weight gain. - Wanting to sleep, not wanting to get out of bed or, adversely, insomnia. - Sudden bursts of weeping for no apparent reason. - Memories of bad things that happened to you that seem to stick in your head. - Dwelling on the loss of someone or something important in your life. - Wanting to hear sad songs over and over again. - Feeling annoyed when someone around you is acting happy, bubbly, excited, etc. - Feeling angry about something that wouldn't ordinarily make you angry. - Feeling "clingy" with partners or pets or, adversely, not wanting to be touched. - Shutting yourself off from others by going to another room to be alone, or going driving alone. (And lots of others that may be specific to an individual - learn to recognize your own signs of depression.) Things you can do to help get yourself through to the "other side" of your bouts of depression. These are *IN ADDITION TO* getting help from a doctor or psychiatrist. [PLEASE - don't be ashamed or afraid to seek professional help. Society tends to stigmatize people with mental health issues ignoring that fact that there are *MILLIONS* of people who suffer from these problems. The only shame involved is when you know you need help but refuse to seek in.] - Smile! This is weird, but it works and I'll tell you why it works. B.F. Skinner showed us that we have physiological reactions - real physical changes to our bodies - when using repeated, or "learned" stimuli. Just as his dogs salivated when he rang a bell, our bodies "learn" that certain actions are associated with certain reactions and will automatically trigger physical responses to associated actions. From the time we are born we smile when we feel happy, loved, secure, and comforted. What makes us feel those things (or maybe because we are feeling those things - cause and effect here are a bit tenuous), is that endorphins are being released in our brains. Endorphins are very powerful hormones equivalent to morphine. They help to ease pain and they make us feel good. For all our lives our bodies have associated the physical act of smiling with the release of those endorphins. Even if you are feeling terribly depressed, *FORCE* yourself to put a smile on your face and consciously *FORCE* yourself to *KEEP* a smile on your face. After a few minutes your brain will start releasing endorphins and you will begin to feel better. This really does work, try it even if you're not feeling depressed and note the difference in your feelings! - DO something. Rearrange the furniture, clean out a closet, and if you don't like housework, just pack up the kids and take a walk. This accomplishes two things. First of all, the physical exertion will help wash out of your bloodstream the hormones and chemicals that are associated with depression. Secondly, just the act of doing something, anything, helps get rid of that feeling of helplessness. You are taking charge of something, no matter how small, and this leads to confidence that you can take charge of the larger things. - Exercise (along with or in addition to the above for the same reasons). - Find a friend to talk to. Even if there is nothing they can do to help you out of your situation, it will at least keep you in contact with a "saner" perspective on things (providing you pick a sane friend, that is ; ). - Help someone else in need. An act of kindness or charity will make you feel better about yourself and might also help you put your problems into a better perspective. Caveat: don't choose someone whose problems are similar to your own, don't get into a hopeless situation that will depress you further - you want something that will take you out of yourself and get you involved with something other than your problems. Choose someone who *CAN* be helped, not a "hopeless cause". - Rent the funniest movies you remember seeing, things that you know will make you laugh in spite of what you may be feeling. - Put on fast-paced, upbeat music and get up and dance (pick up a kitty and dance with him/her. - Play! Play with the kitties, go to a park or playground and swing on the swings. Let yourself enjoy the physical sensations and the freedom of acting silly no matter who might be watching. - Stand in front of a mirror and make funny faces at yourself - stick out your tongue, wiggle your ears, do something to keep from taking yourself too seriously, show yourself that that your can make fun of yourself and your problems. - Think about, and make concrete plans for, something fun in the near future (like a special treat for Valentine's day or your or your honey's birthday. Write down all the things you want to do to make the occasion festive. - Have sex (even if it's just with yourself ;). Make your body feel good and get reconnected with life. - Eat chocolate. It's been shown that chocolate affects the same area of the brain that sex does, especially in women. I hope that some of this helps whoever is out there who may be dealing with seasonal depression. Again, feel free to email me your phone number and I *WILL* call you to talk about whatever it is that is making your feel depressed and try to help make you feel better (it's my repayment for being given a second chance at life - see below). As for me, I am so grateful that I did not succeed in taking my own life 28 years ago. Back then I thought I would be so much better off dead, life meant nothing but pain and I could *NOT* foresee things *EVER* getting better. Looking back it takes my breath away when I think about the unbelievably happy, joyous things I would have missed had I succeeded - meeting my current DH who make my life *SO* sweet; seeing my kids graduate; seeing my kids get married; seeing my grandbabies being born; the wonderful kitties I've loved since then - more happy things that I could ever list here, and none of those things would I have experienced had I be successful in my efforts. I am thankful every day of my life (even the ones when I am battling depression) for the second chance I was given. Life is *NEVER* so bad that we can't get through it and there is *ALWAYS* something better that will happen if you can just stick it out and get through the bad times. Hugs, CatNipped |
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You cannot know how timely this is for me. I'm going thru a bad spell. A
lot of losses I can't seem to get my head around, poor health, a little help from some nasty medication and the season have all ganged up on me at once. I must say I am grateful for and thankful for being older and having been here before. It was so much harder when I was young and didn't really know there was light on the other side. I'll be OK. I'm weaning off the bad medicine. And seeing my doctor Monday. The sun is out today and I will go out and sit in the light if I do nothing else all day. We are having an unusual cold spell, and plans for the next trip to the store include warm socks and gloves to be dropped off at the rescue mission. We have a large local population that just kind of camps in the riverbottoms. Usually it isn't all that bad for them but it usually isn't this cold. I wish I could take you up on the talk. Part of the loss is the loss of my hearing. I was scheduled for a cochlear implant in July only to have it yanked away by my insurance on the day before surgery. Now I have been on disability long enough to get Medicare and I understand they will cover it. Next appointment with the hearing doctors is December 8th. Jo "CatNipped" wrote in message ... Baha's recent post inspired this. For those of you who don't want to talk in person (and that is one of the symptoms of depression - we don't have the energy to make the effort to get help), I'm putting down here some of the things to watch for as the early signs of depression (the earlier you catch it, the easier it is to overcome - and as strange as it may seem, we don't always recognize it when we begin to feel depressed), and some tips on what you can do to help yourself get through. Signs to watch for: - Feelings of lethargy, not wanting to put forth the effort to do anything. - Changing your normal routine without apparent cause. - Feeling alone or isolated from the rest of the world. - Loss of appetite (or, for some, eating much more than you normally do). - Sudden weight loss or weight gain. - Wanting to sleep, not wanting to get out of bed or, adversely, insomnia. - Sudden bursts of weeping for no apparent reason. - Memories of bad things that happened to you that seem to stick in your head. - Dwelling on the loss of someone or something important in your life. - Wanting to hear sad songs over and over again. - Feeling annoyed when someone around you is acting happy, bubbly, excited, etc. - Feeling angry about something that wouldn't ordinarily make you angry. - Feeling "clingy" with partners or pets or, adversely, not wanting to be touched. - Shutting yourself off from others by going to another room to be alone, or going driving alone. (And lots of others that may be specific to an individual - learn to recognize your own signs of depression.) Things you can do to help get yourself through to the "other side" of your bouts of depression. These are *IN ADDITION TO* getting help from a doctor or psychiatrist. [PLEASE - don't be ashamed or afraid to seek professional help. Society tends to stigmatize people with mental health issues ignoring that fact that there are *MILLIONS* of people who suffer from these problems. The only shame involved is when you know you need help but refuse to seek in.] - Smile! This is weird, but it works and I'll tell you why it works. B.F. Skinner showed us that we have physiological reactions - real physical changes to our bodies - when using repeated, or "learned" stimuli. Just as his dogs salivated when he rang a bell, our bodies "learn" that certain actions are associated with certain reactions and will automatically trigger physical responses to associated actions. From the time we are born we smile when we feel happy, loved, secure, and comforted. What makes us feel those things (or maybe because we are feeling those things - cause and effect here are a bit tenuous), is that endorphins are being released in our brains. Endorphins are very powerful hormones equivalent to morphine. They help to ease pain and they make us feel good. For all our lives our bodies have associated the physical act of smiling with the release of those endorphins. Even if you are feeling terribly depressed, *FORCE* yourself to put a smile on your face and consciously *FORCE* yourself to *KEEP* a smile on your face. After a few minutes your brain will start releasing endorphins and you will begin to feel better. This really does work, try it even if you're not feeling depressed and note the difference in your feelings! - DO something. Rearrange the furniture, clean out a closet, and if you don't like housework, just pack up the kids and take a walk. This accomplishes two things. First of all, the physical exertion will help wash out of your bloodstream the hormones and chemicals that are associated with depression. Secondly, just the act of doing something, anything, helps get rid of that feeling of helplessness. You are taking charge of something, no matter how small, and this leads to confidence that you can take charge of the larger things. - Exercise (along with or in addition to the above for the same reasons). - Find a friend to talk to. Even if there is nothing they can do to help you out of your situation, it will at least keep you in contact with a "saner" perspective on things (providing you pick a sane friend, that is ; ). - Help someone else in need. An act of kindness or charity will make you feel better about yourself and might also help you put your problems into a better perspective. Caveat: don't choose someone whose problems are similar to your own, don't get into a hopeless situation that will depress you further - you want something that will take you out of yourself and get you involved with something other than your problems. Choose someone who *CAN* be helped, not a "hopeless cause". - Rent the funniest movies you remember seeing, things that you know will make you laugh in spite of what you may be feeling. - Put on fast-paced, upbeat music and get up and dance (pick up a kitty and dance with him/her. - Play! Play with the kitties, go to a park or playground and swing on the swings. Let yourself enjoy the physical sensations and the freedom of acting silly no matter who might be watching. - Stand in front of a mirror and make funny faces at yourself - stick out your tongue, wiggle your ears, do something to keep from taking yourself too seriously, show yourself that that your can make fun of yourself and your problems. - Think about, and make concrete plans for, something fun in the near future (like a special treat for Valentine's day or your or your honey's birthday. Write down all the things you want to do to make the occasion festive. - Have sex (even if it's just with yourself ;). Make your body feel good and get reconnected with life. - Eat chocolate. It's been shown that chocolate affects the same area of the brain that sex does, especially in women. I hope that some of this helps whoever is out there who may be dealing with seasonal depression. Again, feel free to email me your phone number and I *WILL* call you to talk about whatever it is that is making your feel depressed and try to help make you feel better (it's my repayment for being given a second chance at life - see below). As for me, I am so grateful that I did not succeed in taking my own life 28 years ago. Back then I thought I would be so much better off dead, life meant nothing but pain and I could *NOT* foresee things *EVER* getting better. Looking back it takes my breath away when I think about the unbelievably happy, joyous things I would have missed had I succeeded - meeting my current DH who make my life *SO* sweet; seeing my kids graduate; seeing my kids get married; seeing my grandbabies being born; the wonderful kitties I've loved since then - more happy things that I could ever list here, and none of those things would I have experienced had I be successful in my efforts. I am thankful every day of my life (even the ones when I am battling depression) for the second chance I was given. Life is *NEVER* so bad that we can't get through it and there is *ALWAYS* something better that will happen if you can just stick it out and get through the bad times. Hugs, CatNipped |
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"Jo Firey" wrote in message
... You cannot know how timely this is for me. I'm going thru a bad spell. A lot of losses I can't seem to get my head around, poor health, a little help from some nasty medication and the season have all ganged up on me at once. Oh wow, purrs that your health improves very soon. I must say I am grateful for and thankful for being older and having been here before. It was so much harder when I was young and didn't really know there was light on the other side. I'll be OK. I'm weaning off the bad medicine. And seeing my doctor Monday. The sun is out today and I will go out and sit in the light if I do nothing else all day. That's another thing that contributes to depression at this time of year - the darkness and dreariness, sunshine can literally help lighten up your life. We are having an unusual cold spell, and plans for the next trip to the store include warm socks and gloves to be dropped off at the rescue mission. We have a large local population that just kind of camps in the riverbottoms. Usually it isn't all that bad for them but it usually isn't this cold. Good on you! Bless you for helping out those less fortunate. I wish I could take you up on the talk. Part of the loss is the loss of my hearing. I was scheduled for a cochlear implant in July only to have it yanked away by my insurance on the day before surgery. Now I have been on disability long enough to get Medicare and I understand they will cover it. Next appointment with the hearing doctors is December 8th. Well, feel free to email me whenever you like, lcrew(at)houston(dot)rr(dot)com, and we can still "talk" for as long as you'd like. Or, just continue the discussion here - I'm sure other's won't object, this may be helping those who don't want to actively participate in this discussion or those who just "lurk" here without posting. Hugs, CatNipped |
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On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 09:54:03 -0600, "CatNipped"
yodeled: Baha's recent post inspired this. For those of you who don't want to talk in person (and that is one of the symptoms of depression - we don't have the energy to make the effort to get help), I'm putting down here some of the things to watch for as the early signs of depression (the earlier you catch it, the easier it is to overcome - and as strange as it may seem, we don't always recognize it when we begin to feel depressed), and some tips on what you can do to help yourself get through. Signs to watch for: - Feelings of lethargy, not wanting to put forth the effort to do anything. snip much good advice I'm like that *all* the time! I consider that normal. I really treasure my lack of drive. I wish I lived in Italy or Spain, where they don't think work is the most important thing in life. BUT SERIOUSLY, these are all great suggestions, and I only butted in to make a wisecrack. As a veteran of many clinical depressions, I endorse everything Nipped said. Especially about doing everything you possibly can to make yourself laugh. When I'm feeling down, I get out the "Far Side" and "Calvin and Hobbes" books. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com |
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On 2004-12-03, CatNipped penned:
Baha's recent post inspired this. For those of you who don't want to talk in person (and that is one of the symptoms of depression - we don't have the energy to make the effort to get help), I'm putting down here some of the things to watch for as the early signs of depression (the earlier you catch it, the easier it is to overcome - and as strange as it may seem, we don't always recognize it when we begin to feel depressed), and some tips on what you can do to help yourself get through. Thanks for this post. It's timely for me. This year has been full of stress, both from good and bad events -- got married, husband in the hospital twice, having to give up Eros, lingering injuries that prevented me from getting the kind of exercise I wanted, a host of illnesses, huge job stress, spent all my vacation visiting my grandmother in germany (long story, but it was as stressful as all of the above) ... and of course it's getting dark before I leave work now, which never helps. I've had an upset stomach for the last week, regardless of what I do or don't eat. A reaction I inherited from Dad, apparently. We'd been planning to spend Christmas at my parents'. Both my brothers would be there, as well as my brother K's new wife and her (now their) two kids, whom I haven't yet met. Between the complete lack of vacation time, a serious need to get certain projects done by mid-january, and the realization of how insanely expensive two tickets to NC would be for us, well, I called my dad in tears last night to tell him I didn't think I could do it. My parents understand, of course, but it's still a real bummer, and of course I feel guilty. Anyway, the really sad part to me is that, when I told my dad I was going to look for a therapist to talk some of my stress out, it really bummed him out. Yes, I've sought professional help during dark times, but in this case, I want to just flush my brain a little, talk to someone with an outside perspective and no agenda. My husband certainly understands, but my father I guess is just a different generation and a different culture. He said something like, "Well, honey, when you say you're going to see a therapist ... that sounds like, you know, you think you 'need therapy.'" When I related this to my husband later on, he responded, "Well, what's wrong with needing therapy?" Honestly, I think my life is pretty good, and I feel blessed. I don't mean to sound like I think my life is falling apart, because I know it's not. I think sometimes, the day to day stresses of normal life are the hardest to cope with. I don't know how people manage with kids. They just do, I guess. But, as I told my dad last night, I'm just feeling a little ... brittle right now. Things are bothering me more than they should; easy decisions seem hard. It's not full-blown depression, but I know myself well enough to monitor the situation. Here I am, babbling on ... anyway, thanks for the post. -- monique, caretaker of Oscar |
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Kreisleriana wrote:
On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 09:54:03 -0600, "CatNipped" yodeled: Baha's recent post inspired this. For those of you who don't want to talk in person (and that is one of the symptoms of depression - we don't have the energy to make the effort to get help), I'm putting down here some of the things to watch for as the early signs of depression (the earlier you catch it, the easier it is to overcome - and as strange as it may seem, we don't always recognize it when we begin to feel depressed), and some tips on what you can do to help yourself get through. Signs to watch for: - Feelings of lethargy, not wanting to put forth the effort to do anything. snip much good advice I'm like that *all* the time! I consider that normal. I really treasure my lack of drive. I wish I lived in Italy or Spain, where they don't think work is the most important thing in life. Theresa Wisecracks or no, you'd be surprised. A friend of mine lives in Spain and guess what she does every Thursday? Irons sheets. Yes, she irons bedsheets. Not only is it expected of her, she feels it must be done. She also irons table cloths, napkins, underwear, t-shirts and jeans. I'm saying to myself... shake out the jeans and hang them. Fold the t-shirts. What table cloths and napkins? LOL Jill |
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guess what she does every Thursday? Irons sheets. Yes, she irons
bedsheets. Not only is it expected of her, she feels it must be done. She also irons table cloths, napkins, underwear, t-shirts and jeans. IRONS UNDERWEAR? Underwear???? Whoooaaaa. I iron tableclothes and napkins. Once a year, at Thanksgiving. :-) Sherry |
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"Jeanne Hedge" wrote in message ... On 03 Dec 2004 21:30:42 GMT, itty (Sherry ) wrote: guess what she does every Thursday? Irons sheets. Yes, she irons bedsheets. Not only is it expected of her, she feels it must be done. She also irons table cloths, napkins, underwear, t-shirts and jeans. IRONS UNDERWEAR? Underwear???? Whoooaaaa. I iron tableclothes and napkins. Once a year, at Thanksgiving. :-) Sherry Anyone watch/remember the BritCom "As Time Goes By"? There was an episode shortly after Lionel (Geoffrey Palmer) moved into Jean's (Dame Judi Dench - I have an awful girl-crush on Judi Dench...) house where he was feeling useless and non-contributing to the household. So he decided to iron the laundry. As the scene begins for us viewers, Lionel is desperately trying to figure out how to iron a bra g His relief at being told he didn't have to iron such things always brings a smile OH I loved that show. I always remember the episode where they have a party and I think it is Lionel that goes into the bathroom and won't come out and is doing the crossword puzzle toilet paper. |
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"CatNipped" wrote in message
... Baha's recent post inspired this. For those of you who don't want to talk in person (and that is one of the symptoms of depression - we don't have the energy to make the effort to get help), I'm putting down here some of the things to watch for as the early signs of depression (the earlier you catch it, the easier it is to overcome - and as strange as it may seem, we don't always recognize it when we begin to feel depressed), and some tips on what you can do to help yourself get through. Signs to watch for: - Feelings of lethargy, not wanting to put forth the effort to do anything. - Changing your normal routine without apparent cause. - Feeling alone or isolated from the rest of the world. - Loss of appetite (or, for some, eating much more than you normally do). - Sudden weight loss or weight gain. - Wanting to sleep, not wanting to get out of bed or, adversely, insomnia. - Sudden bursts of weeping for no apparent reason. - Memories of bad things that happened to you that seem to stick in your head. - Dwelling on the loss of someone or something important in your life. - Wanting to hear sad songs over and over again. - Feeling annoyed when someone around you is acting happy, bubbly, excited, etc. - Feeling angry about something that wouldn't ordinarily make you angry. - Feeling "clingy" with partners or pets or, adversely, not wanting to be touched. - Shutting yourself off from others by going to another room to be alone, or going driving alone. (And lots of others that may be specific to an individual - learn to recognize your own signs of depression.) Things you can do to help get yourself through to the "other side" of your bouts of depression. These are *IN ADDITION TO* getting help from a doctor or psychiatrist. [PLEASE - don't be ashamed or afraid to seek professional help. Society tends to stigmatize people with mental health issues ignoring that fact that there are *MILLIONS* of people who suffer from these problems. The only shame involved is when you know you need help but refuse to seek in.] - Smile! This is weird, but it works and I'll tell you why it works. B.F. Skinner showed us that we have physiological reactions - real physical changes to our bodies - when using repeated, or "learned" stimuli. Just as his dogs salivated when he rang a bell, our bodies "learn" that certain actions are associated with certain reactions and will automatically trigger physical responses to associated actions. From the time we are born we smile when we feel happy, loved, secure, and comforted. What makes us feel those things (or maybe because we are feeling those things - cause and effect here are a bit tenuous), is that endorphins are being released in our brains. Endorphins are very powerful hormones equivalent to morphine. They help to ease pain and they make us feel good. For all our lives our bodies have associated the physical act of smiling with the release of those endorphins. Even if you are feeling terribly depressed, *FORCE* yourself to put a smile on your face and consciously *FORCE* yourself to *KEEP* a smile on your face. After a few minutes your brain will start releasing endorphins and you will begin to feel better. This really does work, try it even if you're not feeling depressed and note the difference in your feelings! - DO something. Rearrange the furniture, clean out a closet, and if you don't like housework, just pack up the kids and take a walk. This accomplishes two things. First of all, the physical exertion will help wash out of your bloodstream the hormones and chemicals that are associated with depression. Secondly, just the act of doing something, anything, helps get rid of that feeling of helplessness. You are taking charge of something, no matter how small, and this leads to confidence that you can take charge of the larger things. - Exercise (along with or in addition to the above for the same reasons). - Find a friend to talk to. Even if there is nothing they can do to help you out of your situation, it will at least keep you in contact with a "saner" perspective on things (providing you pick a sane friend, that is ; ). - Help someone else in need. An act of kindness or charity will make you feel better about yourself and might also help you put your problems into a better perspective. Caveat: don't choose someone whose problems are similar to your own, don't get into a hopeless situation that will depress you further - you want something that will take you out of yourself and get you involved with something other than your problems. Choose someone who *CAN* be helped, not a "hopeless cause". - Rent the funniest movies you remember seeing, things that you know will make you laugh in spite of what you may be feeling. - Put on fast-paced, upbeat music and get up and dance (pick up a kitty and dance with him/her. - Play! Play with the kitties, go to a park or playground and swing on the swings. Let yourself enjoy the physical sensations and the freedom of acting silly no matter who might be watching. - Stand in front of a mirror and make funny faces at yourself - stick out your tongue, wiggle your ears, do something to keep from taking yourself too seriously, show yourself that that your can make fun of yourself and your problems. - Think about, and make concrete plans for, something fun in the near future (like a special treat for Valentine's day or your or your honey's birthday. Write down all the things you want to do to make the occasion festive. - Have sex (even if it's just with yourself ;). Make your body feel good and get reconnected with life. - Eat chocolate. It's been shown that chocolate affects the same area of the brain that sex does, especially in women. I hope that some of this helps whoever is out there who may be dealing with seasonal depression. Again, feel free to email me your phone number and I *WILL* call you to talk about whatever it is that is making your feel depressed and try to help make you feel better (it's my repayment for being given a second chance at life - see below). As for me, I am so grateful that I did not succeed in taking my own life 28 years ago. Back then I thought I would be so much better off dead, life meant nothing but pain and I could *NOT* foresee things *EVER* getting better. Looking back it takes my breath away when I think about the unbelievably happy, joyous things I would have missed had I succeeded - meeting my current DH who make my life *SO* sweet; seeing my kids graduate; seeing my kids get married; seeing my grandbabies being born; the wonderful kitties I've loved since then - more happy things that I could ever list here, and none of those things would I have experienced had I be successful in my efforts. I am thankful every day of my life (even the ones when I am battling depression) for the second chance I was given. Life is *NEVER* so bad that we can't get through it and there is *ALWAYS* something better that will happen if you can just stick it out and get through the bad times. Don't think I"ve told the group this before. I have a scar on my left wrist from a suicide attempt when I was 21. Its not overly noticable, but I usually wear my watch over it. I didn't even know I was depressed until I was 26 and we got a whole new bunch of people at work who decided they were going to be friends with me whether i liked it or not. About a month after they arrived, my face was in constant agony. I much later figured out that it was because my smiling muscles had been grossly atrophied and were now actually having to do a fair bit of smiling work each day. And later than year, when the depression had well and truly lifted, I finally got up th confidence to leave my manipulative and abusive ex, who I had been with since I was 15. So yes, I know what depresion is, what its like, and never ever want to crawl back down that horrid pit of despair shudder Yowie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 20/11/04 |
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