Useless replies

I went back & read through the replies to the OP's first post, & honestly
did not find judgmental replies.

The balance of your post, I agree with.

Cathy

--
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("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon

"Betsy" -0 wrote in message
...
When you first posted, I read the first line of your post and then ignored
it as troll bait.

After seeing this one, I went back and checked the first one. Yes, you
did
get a lot of judgment heaped on your head, but most of the calmer replies
concurred: it could be anything, and you need to seek out a better vet,
or
go back to the first one and be more aggressive in your demands.

It's impossible to diagnose on the internet, and the symptoms you
described
are so general as to be suggestive of any one of thousands of things!

"BigDaDDY" wrote in message
...
Ya know, If I wanted to be judged, I would have entered a popularity
contest. Perhaps you people could stick to answering the posts and keep
your judgements to yourselves, since you probably don't know the entire
story.

If you really want to know, there are probably very few people in the
world
that love cats more than my fiance. She was crying last night because
she
was worried about her cat. I told her I would post on here to see if
someone knew what may be the problem. If you people are that dumb to
think
we aren't going to go for a second opinion, then I guess I thought the
intellect on this board was a little higher. The post was simply a means
to
perhaps comfort her by possibly knowing what may be wrong, not as a
substitute for a second opinion.


So after all the posts, not a single thing addressed my question.
Thanks
for nothin'!

"BigDaDDY" wrote in message
...
Caroline wrote:

"Joe Canuck" wrote
BigDaDDY wrote:
snip
So after all the posts, not a single thing addressed my question.
Thanks for nothin'!

One does have to wonder when their cat obviously has a medical issue
why
they run first to the newsgroups for answers instead of going to the
obvious place for this... the VET.

Joe, the guy went to the vet and didn't get anything from the visit that
helped. So naturally he was baffled. Happens to all of us, it seems to
me.

Vets do misdiagnose. These misdiagnoses do come up here. (I write this
not
as an indictment of vets. I was one of the faction that did not want any
action taken against a certain vet who recently did not meet the
standards
of many people here.. )

Sometimes people on the newsgroup do have more experience than certain
vets. Besides, at the newsgroup, posters have all the time in the world
to
relate a cat's symptoms. A vet has a few minutes to look at a cat and
listen to a description of symptoms.

BigDaddy, for what it's worth, I found nothing wrong and everything
right
in your initial post, which explicitly and merely asked if anyone else
had
seen certain symptoms in their own cats. I know money is often a concern
that affects most everyone's pet (and children, and parent) decisions,
so
I don't blame anyone for trying to be cost-effective, within reason
(which
is pretty subjective!).

My cat has never had all the symptoms you describe. He did go through a
period of vomiting and having some litter box changes last year (but
nothing as serious as your cat's), and I (not the darn vet to whom I
took
him!) found all he needed was some petroleum jelly-based hairball
remedy.
I don't fault the vet, per se. I do fault any vet who doesn't
acknowledge
they often can't be sure what's wrong with a cat, so continue
troubleshooting.

Your cat sounds very sick. I hope you find the problem, one way or
another, and that Sammy is better soon. I for one would welcome an
update.
I'm sure it will help others here in the future.

Good luck to your cat, your fiancé, and you,

C
OH MY GOD!!!! FINALLY!!!! Someone with some intellect.

More like someone who coddled you & said what you wanted to hear. This
person may very well have a good amoint of intelligence, but the other
answers weren't derelict in that regard.

Thank you very much
for your response. If only people would read the damn question and answer
my specific question rather than make assumptions about my priorites and
concern for my cat.

I found nothing wrong w/ your original post, either. Otoh, your reply (&
subsequent replies) to the others' responses - which were perfectly
legitimate - were downright obnoxious. We *did* read the "damn question" &
answered it as best as possbile. In this case, no one knows what's wrong w/
the cat, only that it was in serious need of a vet, ASAP, if not sooner.


I have been on newsgroups a lot, and I can tell you from experience that
oftentimes you can learn more on a newsgroup than you can anywhere else
because past experience is a good teacher.

True, but in this case, no one seems to have a cat with the same symptoms.
I ventured a guess as to blockage(s), as did somebody(ies?) else, &
dehydration, as did someone else. But no one *really* knows what's going
on, or why.

Not to mention, it is possible
that 1 or more vets hang out here as well.

One used to - but haven't seen him for a long time. Last I knew, some vets
hang out at alt.med.veterinary.

In any case, I talked with
someone I work with, and he mentioned that his cat had similar problems
and
that it was a kidney problem. The cat eventually died from it. Anyway,
Sammy is at the vet overnight tonight and she's having some tests done.
Hope all goes well.

Good - I'm glad Sammy's at the vet & that tests are being run.

Cathy

--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon

Thanks again.

Matt

"BigDaDDY" wrote in message
...
Caroline wrote:

"Joe Canuck" wrote
BigDaDDY wrote:
snip
So after all the posts, not a single thing addressed my question.
Thanks for nothin'!

One does have to wonder when their cat obviously has a medical issue
why
they run first to the newsgroups for answers instead of going to the
obvious place for this... the VET.

Joe, the guy went to the vet and didn't get anything from the visit that
helped. So naturally he was baffled. Happens to all of us, it seems to
me.

Vets do misdiagnose. These misdiagnoses do come up here. (I write this
not
as an indictment of vets. I was one of the faction that did not want any
action taken against a certain vet who recently did not meet the
standards
of many people here.. )

Sometimes people on the newsgroup do have more experience than certain
vets. Besides, at the newsgroup, posters have all the time in the world
to
relate a cat's symptoms. A vet has a few minutes to look at a cat and
listen to a description of symptoms.

BigDaddy, for what it's worth, I found nothing wrong and everything
right
in your initial post, which explicitly and merely asked if anyone else
had
seen certain symptoms in their own cats. I know money is often a concern
that affects most everyone's pet (and children, and parent) decisions,
so
I don't blame anyone for trying to be cost-effective, within reason
(which
is pretty subjective!).

My cat has never had all the symptoms you describe. He did go through a
period of vomiting and having some litter box changes last year (but
nothing as serious as your cat's), and I (not the darn vet to whom I
took
him!) found all he needed was some petroleum jelly-based hairball
remedy.
I don't fault the vet, per se. I do fault any vet who doesn't
acknowledge
they often can't be sure what's wrong with a cat, so continue
troubleshooting.

Your cat sounds very sick. I hope you find the problem, one way or
another, and that Sammy is better soon. I for one would welcome an
update.
I'm sure it will help others here in the future.

Good luck to your cat, your fiancé, and you,

C
OH MY GOD!!!! FINALLY!!!! Someone with some intellect.

More like someone who coddled you & said what you wanted to hear. This
person may very well have a good amoint of intelligence, but the other
answers weren't derelict in that regard.

Thank you very much
for your response. If only people would read the damn question and answer
my specific question rather than make assumptions about my priorites and
concern for my cat.

I found nothing wrong w/ your original post, either. Otoh, your reply (&
subsequent replies) to the others' responses - which were perfectly
legitimate - were downright obnoxious. We *did* read the "damn question" &
answered it as best as possbile. In this case, no one knows what's wrong w/
the cat, only that it was in serious need of a vet, ASAP, if not sooner.


I have been on newsgroups a lot, and I can tell you from experience that
oftentimes you can learn more on a newsgroup than you can anywhere else
because past experience is a good teacher.

True, but in this case, no one seems to have a cat with the same symptoms.
I ventured a guess as to blockage(s), as did somebody(ies?) else, &
dehydration, as did someone else. But no one *really* knows what's going
on, or why.

Not to mention, it is possible
that 1 or more vets hang out here as well.

One used to - but haven't seen him for a long time. Last I knew, some vets
hang out at alt.med.veterinary.

In any case, I talked with
someone I work with, and he mentioned that his cat had similar problems
and
that it was a kidney problem. The cat eventually died from it. Anyway,
Sammy is at the vet overnight tonight and she's having some tests done.
Hope all goes well.

Good - I'm glad Sammy's at the vet & that tests are being run.

Cathy

--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon

Thanks again.

Matt

"Cathy Friedmann" wrote
"BigDaDDY" wrote
snip
OH MY GOD!!!! FINALLY!!!! Someone with some intellect.

More like someone who coddled you & said what you wanted to hear.

I respect your judgment, although FWIW, what you allege was not my intent. (If I
can't persuade you of that, that's okay.) Good cop-bad cop stuff is just silly,
IMO. My goal was to help the cat and, indirectly, the people involved. I presume
this was pretty much everyone else's main goal.

This
person may very well have a good amoint of intelligence, but the other
answers weren't derelict in that regard.

In all but one or two of the posts I myself sensed sanctimony. IMO this tends to
be unpersuasive.

The point was to help this man's and his fiance's cat. His first post politely
said he'd tried a vet; it didn't help; had anyone other suggestions?

There are more convincing ways of saying to someone, "This sounds serious. I've
never seen a condition this bad before. Unfortunately, misdiagnoses to happen. I
know it's expensive, but I think if I really valued my cat, I would spend the
money for a second opinion. Just my point of view... "

People can keep employing the judgmental approach, of course, but this won't at
all necessarily get the best help for the cat. At least, it doesn't work for me.

Just saying...

"Cathy Friedmann" wrote
"BigDaDDY" wrote
snip
OH MY GOD!!!! FINALLY!!!! Someone with some intellect.

More like someone who coddled you & said what you wanted to hear.

I respect your judgment, although FWIW, what you allege was not my intent. (If I
can't persuade you of that, that's okay.) Good cop-bad cop stuff is just silly,
IMO. My goal was to help the cat and, indirectly, the people involved. I presume
this was pretty much everyone else's main goal.

This
person may very well have a good amoint of intelligence, but the other
answers weren't derelict in that regard.

In all but one or two of the posts I myself sensed sanctimony. IMO this tends to
be unpersuasive.

The point was to help this man's and his fiance's cat. His first post politely
said he'd tried a vet; it didn't help; had anyone other suggestions?

There are more convincing ways of saying to someone, "This sounds serious. I've
never seen a condition this bad before. Unfortunately, misdiagnoses to happen. I
know it's expensive, but I think if I really valued my cat, I would spend the
money for a second opinion. Just my point of view... "

People can keep employing the judgmental approach, of course, but this won't at
all necessarily get the best help for the cat. At least, it doesn't work for me.

Just saying...

From: "Caroline"


In all but one or two of the posts I myself sensed sanctimony. IMO this tends
to
be unpersuasive.

The point was to help this man's and his fiance's cat.

Since when is advising someone that their cat should be seen by a vet right
away being sanctimonious?
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From: "Caroline"


In all but one or two of the posts I myself sensed sanctimony. IMO this tends
to
be unpersuasive.

The point was to help this man's and his fiance's cat.

Since when is advising someone that their cat should be seen by a vet right
away being sanctimonious?
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"Caroline" wrote in message
news
"Cathy Friedmann" wrote
"BigDaDDY" wrote
snip
OH MY GOD!!!! FINALLY!!!! Someone with some intellect.

More like someone who coddled you & said what you wanted to hear.

I respect your judgment, although FWIW, what you allege was not my intent.
(If I
can't persuade you of that, that's okay.) Good cop-bad cop stuff is just
silly,
IMO. My goal was to help the cat and, indirectly, the people involved. I
presume
this was pretty much everyone else's main goal.

This
person may very well have a good amoint of intelligence, but the other
answers weren't derelict in that regard.

In all but one or two of the posts I myself sensed sanctimony. IMO this
tends to
be unpersuasive.

I beg to differ w/ your assessment. I *have* seen sanctimonious, rude
replies here, plenty of times - too many of them, too often, IMO - ones that
would simply by guaranteed to put the whoever the OP has been (& who is
often on the naive side, but the replies doen't take that into account) on
the defensive, & therefore would not be in the best interests of the cat.
And the replies this guy got were not of that genre. They said that it
sounded like a serious problem, & that he needed to get the cat back to a
vet, right away. He *did* absolutely need to do that - it was good advice.
Some peolpe took stabs at guessing what might be wrong, but that was as far
as anyone could possibly get.


The point was to help this man's and his fiance's cat. His first post
politely
said he'd tried a vet; it didn't help; had anyone other suggestions?

He mentioned getting Clavamox from the vet, but that it didn't help. He
didn't say when the last vet appt. had been, but no matter - this cat *had*
to get back for another assessment if it had not eliminated in a week (I
still find that one really hard to believe, & the OP never made it precisely
clear) & was throwing up, plus was not drinking water. Would result in
toxins galore, & maybe dehydrated as all get-out.

But... acc. to last post I saw, the cat's now at the vet, being re-evaluted;
good.


There are more convincing ways of saying to someone, "This sounds serious.
I've
never seen a condition this bad before. Unfortunately, misdiagnoses to
happen. I
know it's expensive, but I think if I really valued my cat, I would spend
the
money for a second opinion. Just my point of view... "

People can keep employing the judgmental approach, of course, but this
won't at
all necessarily get the best help for the cat. At least, it doesn't work
for me.

See above - doesn't work for me, either.

Cathy

--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon

Just saying...

"Caroline" wrote in message
news
"Cathy Friedmann" wrote
"BigDaDDY" wrote
snip
OH MY GOD!!!! FINALLY!!!! Someone with some intellect.

More like someone who coddled you & said what you wanted to hear.

I respect your judgment, although FWIW, what you allege was not my intent.
(If I
can't persuade you of that, that's okay.) Good cop-bad cop stuff is just
silly,
IMO. My goal was to help the cat and, indirectly, the people involved. I
presume
this was pretty much everyone else's main goal.

This
person may very well have a good amoint of intelligence, but the other
answers weren't derelict in that regard.

In all but one or two of the posts I myself sensed sanctimony. IMO this
tends to
be unpersuasive.

I beg to differ w/ your assessment. I *have* seen sanctimonious, rude
replies here, plenty of times - too many of them, too often, IMO - ones that
would simply by guaranteed to put the whoever the OP has been (& who is
often on the naive side, but the replies doen't take that into account) on
the defensive, & therefore would not be in the best interests of the cat.
And the replies this guy got were not of that genre. They said that it
sounded like a serious problem, & that he needed to get the cat back to a
vet, right away. He *did* absolutely need to do that - it was good advice.
Some peolpe took stabs at guessing what might be wrong, but that was as far
as anyone could possibly get.


The point was to help this man's and his fiance's cat. His first post
politely
said he'd tried a vet; it didn't help; had anyone other suggestions?

He mentioned getting Clavamox from the vet, but that it didn't help. He
didn't say when the last vet appt. had been, but no matter - this cat *had*
to get back for another assessment if it had not eliminated in a week (I
still find that one really hard to believe, & the OP never made it precisely
clear) & was throwing up, plus was not drinking water. Would result in
toxins galore, & maybe dehydrated as all get-out.

But... acc. to last post I saw, the cat's now at the vet, being re-evaluted;
good.


There are more convincing ways of saying to someone, "This sounds serious.
I've
never seen a condition this bad before. Unfortunately, misdiagnoses to
happen. I
know it's expensive, but I think if I really valued my cat, I would spend
the
money for a second opinion. Just my point of view... "

People can keep employing the judgmental approach, of course, but this
won't at
all necessarily get the best help for the cat. At least, it doesn't work
for me.

See above - doesn't work for me, either.

Cathy

--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon

Just saying...

From: ospam (Yngver)

Also, when I asked to go back and say goodby to our cat when
she was about to be spayed, I found that the cats and dogs were both caged in
the same area. So you'd have sick cats in small cages right over top the
large
dog cages, where the dogs would be barking. Enough to terrify any sick cat.

Wow, that is not good at all. I wonder how common this is in vet clinics where
they have both dogs and cats.

Lauren
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