Other alternatives to Hills prescription s/d?

"PawsForThought" wrote:

Ham&Cheese regurgitated:

"PawsForThought" wrote:

OMG! EQ, is this true? It certainly would make sense, they way
Gaubster is always, and I mean always parroting Steve Crane.

If you heard it on the Internet it must be true.

I know that's the way you think, HamandCheese,and I know that Steve
Crane aka Gaubster the Loser Troll Boy think like that, but not
everyone is as naive as you. What's the matter? You upset one of your
heroes got caught?

Hey Dumbass - you said...

"OMG, no way!! I don't know how to read these headers, but if this is
true, it's totally unbelievable!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!"

In other words you don't have a clue what was proven, but *you* think
its true because someone told you it was. EQ gave a well explained
reasons for his hypothesis that you don't understand due to your
reading comprehension problem.

I read it on a label so it must be true - hah what a dork!

You sure are a stupid parrot.

wrote:

It was okayed by YOUR vet for YOUR
cat.

And several others posted the same.

Furthermore I do not believe that
Wellness supplemented by methioform is
the only alternative to Hill's Prescription
s.d.

I never said it was.

Megan



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wrote:

So you don't KNOW the percentages?

Of course I do. I called the company directly for information and I have
posted them in the past. Here's one example:

Wellness Turkey and Salmon

DMB
Protein =A0 =A052%
Fat =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A034.8%
Fiber =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 .4%
Carbs =A0 =A0 =A012.8%

Megan



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

Wellness uses alfalfa in its food, and
until there is proof that alfalfa is NOT
toxic to cats, I refuse to buy it or feed it to
my cats.

Raw alfalfa is a problem, but cooked alfalfa is not toxic to cats and it
says so in one of the links you provide. Cat foods are cooked at high
temperatures.
I've been feeding 24 cats Wellness for *years* and none of them have
died of alfalfa poisoning or had digestive problems. You might want to
talk to the folks on the Yahoo IBD list as well. Many people there have
been able to manage their cat's IBD using Wellness.

Megan



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

wrote in message
...
wrote:

It was okayed by YOUR vet for YOUR
cat.

And several others posted the same.

Furthermore I do not believe that
Wellness supplemented by methioform is
the only alternative to Hill's Prescription
s.d.

I never said it was.


Well good. Now maybe someone will chime in
with some other alternatives.

wrote in message
...
wrote:

So you don't KNOW the percentages?

Of course I do. I called the company directly for information and I have
posted them in the past. Here's one example:

Wellness Turkey and Salmon

DMB
Protein 52%
Fat 34.8%
Fiber .4%
Carbs 12.8%


My bad. I would have known this but I never read the lengthy
catfood threads.

Phil P. wrote:
"Mary" wrote in message
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Phil mentioned several fruits and vegetables that are in Wellness
that
surprised me. I did not mean to say that a large percentage of
the product is made up of fruit and vegetables, only that there
are certainly several kinds in it.

10 of the first 15 ingredients are plant material. Sweet potatoes
are
listed 5th - after chicken broth which is 90% water and makes the
actual
chicken weight of the the broth effectively much, much less than 5th
- and
consequently moves all the subsequent plant products higher up on the
ingredients list. The biological value of potatoes is even lower
than corn.

Ingredients are listed predominately by weight. Thus although the
first
three ingredients are meat products, the *combined weight* of *all*
10 plant
products:

5. Sweet Potatoes
6. Carrots,
7. Vegetable Gums,
8. Flaxseed,
10. Alfalfa,
11. Cranberries,
12. Blueberries,
13. Yellow Squash,
14. Yellow Zucchini,
15. Garlic,

could easily exceed the weight of the third, or second, or even the
first
ingredient. Given the numerous plant products (10 of the first 15
ingredients) its very difficult - if not impossible - to know with
certainty
whether the diet actually contains more meat than plant material
without
seeing the actual formula - which no pet food company will make
public.

This is true of most cat foods, though, isn't it? I don't think I know
of a cat food where the third, fourth or 5th ingredient isn't
plant-based (as well as subsequent ingredients). And considering the
price of cranberries and blueberries (especially), I doubt the last 5
ingredients are in very high concentration.

Bottom line is, you have to feed your cats what works - and Welness is
certainly better than a lot of cat foods on the market.

IIRC Methioform was prescribed for cats long before foods that "promote
healthy urinary tract pH" were on the market (I remember using it in
the 70's). I'm not saying it's an *ideal* way to ensure no more FUS,
but under a vet's care, it certainly is one option that is viable,
especially if you have a finicky cat that will only eat certain foods.

-L.

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Phil mentioned several fruits and vegetables that are in Wellness that
surprised me. I did not mean to say that a large percentage of
the product is made up of fruit and vegetables, only that there
are certainly several kinds in it.

10 of the first 15 ingredients are plant material. Sweet potatoes are
listed 5th - after chicken broth which is 90% water and makes the
actual
chicken weight of the the broth effectively much, much less than 5th -
and
consequently moves all the subsequent plant products higher up on the
ingredients list. The biological value of potatoes is even lower than
corn.

Ingredients are listed predominately by weight. Thus although the first
three ingredients are meat products, the *combined weight* of *all* 10
plant
products:

5. Sweet Potatoes
6. Carrots,
7. Vegetable Gums,
8. Flaxseed,
10. Alfalfa,
11. Cranberries,
12. Blueberries,
13. Yellow Squash,
14. Yellow Zucchini,
15. Garlic,

could easily exceed the weight of the third, or second, or even the
first
ingredient. Given the numerous plant products (10 of the first 15
ingredients) its very difficult - if not impossible - to know with
certainty
whether the diet actually contains more meat than plant material without
seeing the actual formula - which no pet food company will make public.


If the fact that cats are obligate
carnivores

"Obligate carnivore" is often a misused term. "Obligate carnivore"
means
the cat must obtain certain nutrients from animal sources - not that the
cat
must eat only meat.


means that "corn has a deleterious effect on cats,"
which is what buglady responded, then why are there ANY in
Wellness?

Because all those 'human grade' veggies look good on the label and
create
anthropomorphic appeal. For example, carrots and beta carotene; cats
can't
convert beta carotene into vitamin A and must obtain preformed vitamin
A.
But carrots and beta carotene sure look on the label and advertising...
Further down the ingredient list, vitamin A is listed as a supplement...
So, IMO, carrots are included for anthropomorphic appeal.

The biological value of potatoes is even lower than corn - but 'sweet
potatoes' sure look good on the label, too.

I feed my cats Wellness as part of their rotating diet because I find
the
*nutrient levels* favorable - not because I fell for their 'human grade
ingredients' or 'all natural' advertising gimmicks.

What do people think they're getting for 10 cents more a can - prime
rib?
LOL!


Thanks, Phil. I take it then that Wellness is no better than any other
cat food that lists "meat" and not "meat byproducts" as the first
ingredient, then? Is that your assessment?


Yes. However, meat by-products aren't necessarily a bad thing - meat
by-products generally contain more nutrients than skeletal meat. Cats eat
animal by-products when they consume a mouse.


And if this is true, and
one's cat will not eat Hill's prescription s/d, then IF it were safe
one might use ANY such cat food that has meat as a first ingredient
and dose the cat with urine acidifier?


Basically, yes. But I would still avoid brands with high phosphorus levels
and low protein to ash ratios.


Only I believe you wrote that
what Megan recommended is NOT safe. Correct?

As I said, adding an acidifier to an acidified diet is risky business -
*but* if the cat won't eat a prescription diet, you don't have much of a
choice. In such cases, the benefits outweigh the risks - since the
consequences of urethral obstruction are oliguric renal failure and death or
permanent damage to the urethra.

Phil

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wrote in message
...
wrote:

So you don't KNOW the percentages?

Of course I do. I called the company directly for information and I have
posted them in the past. Here's one example:

Wellness Turkey and Salmon

DMB
Protein 52%
Fat 34.8%
Fiber .4%
Carbs 12.8%


My bad. I would have known this but I never read the lengthy
catfood threads.

When reading labels, keep in mind that ingredients can be used in more than
one way by different companies - depending on the marketing theme for the
food. Thus, the total protein may not necessarily be derived all from
animal sources. For example, alfalfa can be used as a protein, carbohydrate
or fiber source. As I said, without seeing the actual formula, you don't
really know what % of the protein is actually derived from animal sources.
This applies to all brands.

Phil

"-L." wrote in message
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And considering the
price of cranberries and blueberries (especially), I doubt the last 5
ingredients are in very high concentration.


If you're correct, then their presence is designed to create an
anthropomorphic appeal rather than provide any nutritional value. I don't
have a problem with that type of marketing gimmick since it wasn't a factor
in my decision for choosing Wellness. The nutrient levels are close enough
to my preferences.




Bottom line is, you have to feed your cats what works - and Welness is
certainly better than a lot of cat foods on the market.


Absolutely. Wellness is a component of my cats' rotating diet.



IIRC Methioform was prescribed for cats long before foods that "promote
healthy urinary tract pH" were on the market (I remember using it in
the 70's). I'm not saying it's an *ideal* way to ensure no more FUS,
but under a vet's care, it certainly is one option that is viable,
especially if you have a finicky cat that will only eat certain foods.

As I said, if the cat won't eat a prescription diet, then you don't have
much of a choice. In such cases, the benefits of an acidifier certainly
outweigh the risks - since the consequences of urethral obstruction are
oliguric acute renal failure and possibly death or permanent damage to the
urethra.

Phil