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He's home was: HELP PLEASE: fever reducer for cats?
mlbriggs wrote: If he was "perky and happy" when you brought him home could there be something in your house making him sick? This may be off the wall, but do you have a carbon monoxide detector? I thought about that as well - a poison. Have you had carpets cleaned recently, switched cleaners or anything like that? -L. |
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He's home was: HELP PLEASE: fever reducer for cats?
mlbriggs wrote:
If he was "perky and happy" when you brought him home could there be something in your house making him sick? This may be off the wall, but do you have a carbon monoxide detector? Yes, we have one. He was perky and happy briefly but he wasn't really perky and happy at the vet at all. I think his perkiness when he got home was just relief to be out of that cage. Candace |
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He's home was: HELP PLEASE: fever reducer for cats?
-L. wrote:
I thought about that as well - a poison. Have you had carpets cleaned recently, switched cleaners or anything like that? -L. No... |
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HELP PLEASE: fever reducer for cats?
-L. wrote:
Possibly/probably not - depends on what it is and what it did. Intestines are often hard to get a good view, and if it's a thread, its unlikely you see it unless it was really messing things up and the intestine in front of it was bulging. Why would he not have barfed at the vet in the last week? Would the reglan IV have suppressed the urge? Yes and No - more than likely he would have barfed. Do they know FOR SURE he was eating? What worries me is if you got an unattentive tech or assistant who isn't reporting food consumption correctly (assuming he was free-fed and eating at night, or whatever). Not to add to your stress, but it happens. Some of the techs seem not as reliable but the one that was there this a.m. and said he ate seems very responsible. I do know he ate for me a few times when I was visiting; I would spoon feed him and he would eat a teaspoonful or so and once he ate some of his dry food when I was there. If they were feeding him liquid food via tube and the blockage is only partial and they had him doped up, he may not have barfed, though. They didn't have him doped up at all other than reglan. He was never on any sedation while there. I certainly would ask the vet about the possibility of a thread or string - if you can afford it, another x-ray with contrast is worth exploring at this point, or an exploratory surgery of the abdomen. Also have them check the *very* base of his tongue for a thread. I have seen a case where two different vets missed it - and a specialist finaly caught it - the cat had a thread in it's GI tract and the end had caught on the base of the tongue and wrapped around - not tight enough to kill the tongue, but it was there. The cat was majorly vomiting colored mucus. I will ask the vet tomorrow. Only once was the mucus yellow, the other times it was clear. And now he isn't barfing mucus at all. He is just barfing small amounts of clear froth every couple of hours...like a teaspoon. He also feels much cooler, like his fever might have broke. He is sleeping. The thing is, I've had cats who seemed in pain before and you could tell by the awkward, uncomfortable positions in which they would lay...he lays totally comfortably, even now, curled up normally, sometimes with his head upside down. He doesn't seem in pai, just nauseated at times. If he had a string wrapped around his intestines for the past 11 days, wouldn't he be in severe pain? I don't know Candace - he definitely has an infection of some sort and the colored mucus indicates GI tract to me. I know you're freaking - I would be too. At this point, though, I think it's worth exploring all options you can afford. keep us posted, -L. Okay...thanks. |
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Candace wrote:
He doesn't seem in pain, just nauseated at times. If he had a string wrapped around his intestines for the past 11 days, wouldn't he be in severe pain? Hi Candace, I feel so bad for you and Scottie. I spent some time last night web-searching and looking through Cornell's book, and the closest I could come to matching symptoms was a foreign body in the intestine (if it is a string -- it could be bunched up inside the intestines, not wrapped around them,) poison, or a tumor. Of course there are probably many other things, this was with a 30 minute search by a non-vet. The book did say that many times a foreign body in the gi tract does not show up on regular x-ray because it could be a similar thickness as the intestine. I know you've already talked on the group about getting one done with contrast dye. Many of the other GI things listed had diarrhea as a symptom, and your cat seems to be constipated. My cat had pancreatitus, which is very painful and I wondered about with your cat -- but diarrhea usually goes along with that too. It seemed that everything coming out of both ends of our cat was yellow. I'm sure this is harrowing, but you're doing a great job with Scottie. It must be a comfort to him (and his buddy) to be home. Keep us posted, Rhonda |
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"Candace" wrote He also feels much cooler, like his fever might have broken. He is sleeping. The thing is, I've had cats who seemed in pain before and you could tell by the awkward, uncomfortable positions in which they would lay...he lays totally comfortably, even now, curled up normally, sometimes with his head upside down. He doesn't seem in pain, just nauseated at times. This sounds good, like he is improving. I sure hope so. |
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"Rhonda" wrote : I'm sure this is harrowing, but you're doing a great job with Scottie. It must be a comfort to him (and his buddy) to be home. I think it would be a great idea to set up a fund to help Candace with the vet bill, but I don't want to be the one to do it. I would sure contribute, though, if someone else set it up. Over 2K in a week is really brutal. |
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cybercat wrote:
"Rhonda" wrote : I'm sure this is harrowing, but you're doing a great job with Scottie. It must be a comfort to him (and his buddy) to be home. I think it would be a great idea to set up a fund to help Candace with the vet bill, but I don't want to be the one to do it. I would sure contribute, though, if someone else set it up. Over 2K in a week is really brutal. That's very kind of you, really, but I just wouldn't feel right. We have 2 incomes and credit cards so we can do it...it's just the point of worrying how long to go with no end in sight. Thank you, I appreciate the offer. Candace |
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HELP PLEASE: fever reducer for cats?
Rhonda wrote:
I spent some time last night web-searching and looking through Cornell's book, and the closest I could come to matching symptoms was a foreign body in the intestine (if it is a string -- it could be bunched up inside the intestines, not wrapped around them,) poison, or a tumor. Of course there are probably many other things, this was with a 30 minute search by a non-vet. The book did say that many times a foreign body in the gi tract does not show up on regular x-ray because it could be a similar thickness as the intestine. I know you've already talked on the group about getting one done with contrast dye. Many of the other GI things listed had diarrhea as a symptom, and your cat seems to be constipated. My cat had pancreatitus, which is very painful and I wondered about with your cat -- but diarrhea usually goes along with that too. It seemed that everything coming out of both ends of our cat was yellow. Thank you for looking, Rhonda. Poison doesn't make sense to me becaue he first got ill on a Wed. nite and never barfed until Fri. nite and then never barfed for a week at the vet. I hope it's not a tumor, that's my major fear, cancer. It seemed to come on so quick, though. I've had cats with cancer and it was gradual and then they'd feel okay for awhile and then get sick again. I hope it's not a string, too, but I'll ask the vet. Scottie is not notoriously a string swallower but I know that if they get it in their mouths, their reflex causes them to continue to swallow. Could he possibly have had a huge "normal, healthy poo" as the vet said? They gave him 10cc of lactulose, that's all, and then it was normal. The vet said all along that he wasn't constipated as he kept feeling him and said his feces didn't feel hard at all, it was like he was choosing to not go. Wouldn't you think--if it was a string wrapped around his intestines--that he'd seem to be in pain. I was present several times when the vet, last Thurs. being the last time, when the vet did a physical exam on Scottie--you know, where they poke and prod them pretty hard with their hands. Scottie never flinched or showed any sign of pain. I would think it would be painful to have your intestines all sliced up. I don't know, I'm hardly an expert...Doesn't it seem, too, that the bopwel movement would be abnormal, like diarrhea, instead of solid if it was coming thru a mangled intestine? I wonder if most vets are equipped to do a contrast study or if I would have to take him elsewhere? Candace |
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Candace wrote: Thank you for looking, Rhonda. Poison doesn't make sense to me becaue he first got ill on a Wed. nite and never barfed until Fri. nite and then never barfed for a week at the vet. Doesn't really follow poisoning then. I hope it's not a tumor, that's my major fear, cancer. It seemed to come on so quick, though. I've had cats with cancer and it was gradual and then they'd feel okay for awhile and then get sick again. I hope it's not a string, too, but I'll ask the vet. Scottie is not notoriously a string swallower but I know that if they get it in their mouths, their reflex causes them to continue to swallow. Could he possibly have had a huge "normal, healthy poo" as the vet said? Yes - if the food was in the small intestine by the time the string was ingested, it could still be normal afterward. They gave him 10cc of lactulose, that's all, and then it was normal. The vet said all along that he wasn't constipated as he kept feeling him and said his feces didn't feel hard at all, it was like he was choosing to not go. There's really no way of knowing for sure unless he reached up into the colon (rectally) and felt the poop - sometimes you can't feel it by palpitating. Has he pooped since? (Sorry if some of these questions have been covered - I have little time online right now.) Wouldn't you think--if it was a string wrapped around his intestines--that he'd seem to be in pain. I was present several times when the vet, last Thurs. being the last time, when the vet did a physical exam on Scottie--you know, where they poke and prod them pretty hard with their hands. Scottie never flinched or showed any sign of pain. I would think it would be painful to have your intestines all sliced up. I don't know, I'm hardly an expert...Doesn't it seem, too, that the bopwel movement would be abnormal, like diarrhea, instead of solid if it was coming thru a mangled intestine? You are right in that he probably wouldn't tolerate being prodded, and he'd probably be more sick. he may r may not have diarrhea. It could be a small loop of thread or something that's snagged a small portion of the intestine, or snagged on a hairball and stuck. Soft blockages don't show on x-ray and they can cause infection if they sit too long. I wonder if most vets are equipped to do a contrast study or if I would have to take him elsewhere? They should be able to do it there at your vet. They should take X-rays over time - IIRC we took them every 20 minutes for the course of 3-4 hours or something like that. -L. |
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