Totally OT. China

Sherry wrote:

I don't know about that, but it certainly takes the fun out of
smuggling
heroin into China.


I don't think the US authorities would be too impressed either.

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Adrian wrote:

Sherry wrote:

I don't know about that, but it certainly takes the fun out of
smuggling heroin into China.

I don't think the US authorities would be too impressed either.

I'm 110% sure she was kidding. And I can't think of any country
whose law enforcement would look kindly on heroin being smuggled
in.


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Cats are rather delicate creatures and they are subject to a good
many ailments, but I never heard of one who suffered from insomnia.
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"Cheryl" wrote in message
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Christina Websell wrote:
"Cheryl" wrote in message
...
Christina Websell wrote:
"Lesley" wrote in message
...
On Dec 29, 3:36 pm, wrote:

That said, the number of executions in the US doesn't even come close
to the number done in China.
Apparently in China you can be executed for tax evasion.....or
fraud ....over here that could lead to some very interesting scenes in
Parliament but whilst I am inclined to deal harshly with our MP's
perhaps not that harshly

Lesley

Did you actually take on board what I said? China has executed a Brit
and that is very serious. More than serious. It is so not allowed to
execute a Brit since we had the good sense to make capital punishment
illegal since the 1950's
British laws apply in Britain. Chinese laws apply in China.


I don't think it's allowed to execute a foreign citizen and I think
you'll find Britain is more than annoyed about this.

Tweed

I am sure Britain is furious about it, but I'm also sure you'll find out,
if you look into it, that the laws of a country apply to all people in
that country - including foreigners. The only exception I know of is
people who have diplomatic immunity. Everyone else answers to local law.

Well, let's just say it's unusual to execute a British citizen with mental
health problems in a foreign country, without, allegedly, proper access to
translators and without a mental health assessment.
Even more so to ignore his own country's pleas for clemency - a country that
that is civilised enough not to have the death penalty any more.

I'm totally outraged by the whole thing. How China think it will not affect
our diplomatic relations I have no idea. Of course it will.

Tweed

"Sherry" wrote in message
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On Dec 30, 8:32 pm, "Kyla `=^..^=`" wrote:
"Jofirey"
"Christina Websell"

"Cheryl" Christina Websell wrote:
"Lesley" On Dec 29, 3:36 pm, bastXXXe

That said, the number of executions in the US doesn't even come
close
to the number done in China.

Apparently in China you can be executed for tax evasion.....or
fraud ....over here that could lead to some very interesting scenes
in
Parliament but whilst I am inclined to deal harshly with our MP's
perhaps not that harshly

Lesley

Did you actually take on board what I said? China has executed a Brit
and that is very serious. More than serious. It is so not allowed to
execute a Brit since we had the good sense to make capital punishment
illegal since the 1950's

British laws apply in Britain. Chinese laws apply in China.

I don't think it's allowed to execute a foreign citizen and I think
you'll find Britain is more than annoyed about this.

Tweed

Of course they are. But when you leave your own country and travel to
another, you are subject to their laws and punishments. Any government
that enforces capital punishment is going to apply it to all criminals,
not just their own citizens.

It does get a bit iffy in that extradition agreements are usually two
way
and often will not apply for more severe penalties than the country
where
the criminal is located.

Jo

Sort of takes the fun out of traveling, dunnit?

Kyla

I don't know about that, but it certainly takes the fun out of
smuggling
heroin into China.

Sherry
----
Was that supposed to be funny?
Let me say it wasn't and was in very poor taste.
The man was mentally ill - what 53 yo would believe he was going to to China
for a pop career based on a song which IIRC went like "nice little rabbit
etc"

Tweed


Tweed

"Adrian" wrote in message
You have some very strange ideas, Tweed. Personally I find capital
punishment barbaric but all countries have their own laws however unjust

It's not a strange idea to me that for a foreign country to execute a Brit
with obvious mental health problems is out of order. Your view may differ.

Tweed

On Dec 30, 2:59*pm, "Christina Websell"
wrote:

Did you actually take on board what I said? *China has executed a Brit and
that is very serious.

Yes I did- never mind a Brit etc....I do not support capital
punishment in any shape or form least of all someone whose history of
mental illness was ignored by the court although he was persuaded to
go to China to make a pop record despite having no experience or
talent (okay that hasn't stopped some people on certain so called
"reality" shows) where apparently he would sing about a rabbit and
bring about World peace and become a superstar.

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs

"tanadashoes"
Kyla `=^..^=` wrote:


The Brits have a total right to bed annoyed or even upset.
Our enemies in the Mid East are executing people all the time...
do they care?? Nope!! No sleep lost there.
I hate war of any kind and we should all get the hell out of
there and let them solve their own problems.
Viet Nam was so sick, so was the Gulf War, WW2, and all the others.
I wish the USA would stop being the so called
'peacekeepers' of the whole freaking World.
Kyla


How are your German, Japanese, and Arabic? I don't recall the US starting
any of those wars and I do recall them ending, with the help of just about
every free country in the world, both fronts of WWII and The Gulf War.

And Rob says you're welcome for the sacrifice he has made so that you can
write this.

Pam S.

I understand, Pam..I do, my late father was in the Navy in WW2
and my late mom was in the Coast Guard in the same war.
And thank you to Rob for his sacrifice in war too.
Love
Kyla
--who still hates wars.

"tanadashoes"
Kyla `=^..^=` wrote:
"Jofirey"
"Christina Websell"
"Cheryl" Christina Websell wrote:
"Lesley" On Dec 29, 3:36 pm, bastXXXe

That said, the number of executions in the US doesn't even come
close
to the number done in China.
Apparently in China you can be executed for tax evasion.....or
fraud ....over here that could lead to some very interesting scenes
in
Parliament but whilst I am inclined to deal harshly with our MP's
perhaps not that harshly

Lesley

Did you actually take on board what I said? China has executed a
Brit and that is very serious. More than serious. It is so not
allowed to execute a Brit since we had the good sense to make capital
punishment illegal since the 1950's
British laws apply in Britain. Chinese laws apply in China.


I don't think it's allowed to execute a foreign citizen and I think
you'll find Britain is more than annoyed about this.

Tweed
Of course they are. But when you leave your own country and travel to
another, you are subject to their laws and punishments. Any government
that enforces capital punishment is going to apply it to all criminals,
not just their own citizens.

It does get a bit iffy in that extradition agreements are usually two
way and often will not apply for more severe penalties than the country
where the criminal is located.

Jo

Sort of takes the fun out of traveling, dunnit?

Kyla
--who is happy to just stay put.



Only if you like to commit crimes.

Pam S.

Not me..but now the USA is now on a 'high security alert' since some
nutcase
from Africa, IIRC, tried to blow up a passenger plane in Michigan which
was on it's way to Seattle...that really creeped me out because I was at
that very same airport in Detroit way back in 1995. Geez.
Kyla

"Jofirey"

"Kyla `=^..^=`"
"Jofirey"

"Christina Websell"

"Cheryl" Christina Websell wrote:
"Lesley" On Dec 29, 3:36 pm, bastXXXe

That said, the number of executions in the US doesn't even come
close
to the number done in China.

Apparently in China you can be executed for tax evasion.....or
fraud ....over here that could lead to some very interesting scenes
in
Parliament but whilst I am inclined to deal harshly with our MP's
perhaps not that harshly

Lesley

Did you actually take on board what I said? China has executed a
Brit and that is very serious. More than serious. It is so not
allowed to execute a Brit since we had the good sense to make capital
punishment illegal since the 1950's

British laws apply in Britain. Chinese laws apply in China.


I don't think it's allowed to execute a foreign citizen and I think
you'll find Britain is more than annoyed about this.

Tweed

Of course they are. But when you leave your own country and travel to
another, you are subject to their laws and punishments. Any government
that enforces capital punishment is going to apply it to all criminals,
not just their own citizens.

It does get a bit iffy in that extradition agreements are usually two
way and often will not apply for more severe penalties than the country
where the criminal is located.

Jo

Sort of takes the fun out of traveling, dunnit?

Not if you are willing to abide by the laws of the place you visit. Really
not an awful lot to ask is it?

Jo

Nope, but with the world the way it is, I prefer not to travel.

Kyla

31.12.2009 20:22, Christina Websell kirjoitti:
wrote in message
You have some very strange ideas, Tweed. Personally I find capital
punishment barbaric but all countries have their own laws however unjust

It's not a strange idea to me that for a foreign country to execute a Brit
with obvious mental health problems is out of order. Your view may differ.

Tweed


As this Brit did commit a crime punishable by death according to their
laws, they only did what their law called for.
Any visitor of any nationality visiting a foreign country has to abide
by the local laws or face the consequences. I cannot see that the
executed man being a Brit makes any difference whatsoever. Being a Brit
does not give him a "get home free" -card. If I committed a crime that
was punishable by death in the country where I committed it, the Finnish
authorities accredited to that country would probably do as much (and
hopefully more) for me as the British authorities and representatives of
Amnesty International did for the Brit in question, but one must always
expect to be tried to the full extent of the local laws for a crime
committed. Oh, and Finland doesn't have capital punishment either...

--
Christine in Finland
christal63 (at) gmail (dot) com