Science Diet question...

I never thought about the moist vs. dry food issue til my cat got blocked
a
month ago. As I think about it, the cats who I know who live long, healthy
lives are in semi-rural areas where neighbors are accustomed to cats
roaming in their yards...people aren't put off by it. I think being in a
safe, outdoor environment, free to exercise may be the critical variable.
I know cats who live long lives on a combination moist/dry diet...but
they get lots of fresh air and exercise. My sister's cat lived to be
18...he was an outdoor cat, and I think he ate dry his whole life. My cat
now is on a ph neutral food, but he has the runs. He is an apartment cat
who used to be an outdoor cat.

ava


On Sun, 7 Dec 2003, GAUBSTER2 wrote:

From: olitter (PawsForThought)

Checkmate! You've lost the argument.

I've lost nothing and you know it.


Then answer the question. Why do you think millions of cats thrive on dry
foods? Your theory doesn't hold any water and you know it.

So now what do you have to
say, asshole?


You're a jerk and this should be a lesson for yngver to take note of.

From: olitter (PawsForThought)

Then answer the question. Why do you think millions of cats thrive on dry
foods? Your theory doesn't hold any water and you know it.

Perhaps you would like to add a bit of context to the conversation? You can't
cut and paste responses from two different topics and expect that to prove your
point! Nice try though.

And you still won't answer the question. If cats are being fed poor quality
commercial foods (many of those being grocery store foods), then there will
tend to be more health problems caused by poor nutrition. You can't honestly
compare diets that are made by Hill's to grocery store foods. I know you'll
try to make the comparision but you aren't honest enough to accurately do so.
Or perhaps you are just clueless about nutrition?

"How about the commercial foods that are high in fat, sodium, phosphorus,
calcium, magnesium, etc.........As for proof, look around you! Go into vet
offices and talk w/ the doctors about the health problems they see due to
poor
nutritional choices. (and it's not just overfeeding)"


More cats are fed grocery store foods than Hill's products, btw.

So now what do you have to
say, asshole?


You're a jerk and this should be a lesson for yngver to take note of.

Oh I'm just sure Yngver is taking notes, LOL


If she is as impartial as she says she is, then she probably is!

From: olitter (PawsForThought)

Then answer the question. Why do you think millions of cats thrive on dry
foods? Your theory doesn't hold any water and you know it.

Perhaps you would like to add a bit of context to the conversation? You can't
cut and paste responses from two different topics and expect that to prove your
point! Nice try though.

And you still won't answer the question. If cats are being fed poor quality
commercial foods (many of those being grocery store foods), then there will
tend to be more health problems caused by poor nutrition. You can't honestly
compare diets that are made by Hill's to grocery store foods. I know you'll
try to make the comparision but you aren't honest enough to accurately do so.
Or perhaps you are just clueless about nutrition?

"How about the commercial foods that are high in fat, sodium, phosphorus,
calcium, magnesium, etc.........As for proof, look around you! Go into vet
offices and talk w/ the doctors about the health problems they see due to
poor
nutritional choices. (and it's not just overfeeding)"


More cats are fed grocery store foods than Hill's products, btw.

So now what do you have to
say, asshole?


You're a jerk and this should be a lesson for yngver to take note of.

Oh I'm just sure Yngver is taking notes, LOL


If she is as impartial as she says she is, then she probably is!

olitter (PawsForThought) wrote in message ...
From: (Steve Crane)

(Liz) wrote in message
.com...
(GAUBSTER2) wrote in message
Why do millions of cats thrive on dry commercial diets?

They thrive until they get sick... Let´s see... FLUTD, diabetes, IBD..

Which affects what - maybe 5% of cats at some point in thier
lifetimes? So what everyone should do is abandon what works quite well
for 95% of cats and jump on the totally unproven BARFers bandwagon.
Something the vast majority of veterinarians and all Board Certified
Veterinary Nutritionists do not agree with. Heck yeh, that makes
perfect sense, sign me up.

Interesting, I didn't see anything in Liz's post about a raw diet. In fact,
she was simply commenting on "dry" commercial diets. But of course, being a
sales rep for Hill's Science Diet, I think you just see red if anyone doesn't
agree with you. As to the 5% you quoted, do you have anything to back that up?

Of course,
See below for hard data publisheed in a peer reviewed journal. I was
in error, it is LESS than 5% of cats. It only amounts to 4.62% of
cats. As to your comments about raw diets - only a moron would assume
the negative remarks about commercial diets weren't directive in
nature.

Source:
Health status and population characteristics of dogs and cats examined
at private veterinary practices in the United States
Elizabeth M. Lund, DVM, MPH, PhD; P. Jane Armstrong, DVM, MS; Claudia
A. Kirk, DVM, PhD; Linda M. Kolar, DVM, MPH; Jeffrey S. Klausner, DVM,
MS
JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN VETERINARY MEDICAL ASSOCIATION, Vol. 214, No.
9 Pages 1336.1341 1999

IBD affects 0.01% of cats.
FLUTD affects 4.6% of cats.
Diabetes affects 0.01% of cats.

olitter (PawsForThought) wrote in message ...
From: (Steve Crane)

(Liz) wrote in message
.com...
(GAUBSTER2) wrote in message
Why do millions of cats thrive on dry commercial diets?

They thrive until they get sick... Let´s see... FLUTD, diabetes, IBD..

Which affects what - maybe 5% of cats at some point in thier
lifetimes? So what everyone should do is abandon what works quite well
for 95% of cats and jump on the totally unproven BARFers bandwagon.
Something the vast majority of veterinarians and all Board Certified
Veterinary Nutritionists do not agree with. Heck yeh, that makes
perfect sense, sign me up.

Interesting, I didn't see anything in Liz's post about a raw diet. In fact,
she was simply commenting on "dry" commercial diets. But of course, being a
sales rep for Hill's Science Diet, I think you just see red if anyone doesn't
agree with you. As to the 5% you quoted, do you have anything to back that up?

Of course,
See below for hard data publisheed in a peer reviewed journal. I was
in error, it is LESS than 5% of cats. It only amounts to 4.62% of
cats. As to your comments about raw diets - only a moron would assume
the negative remarks about commercial diets weren't directive in
nature.

Source:
Health status and population characteristics of dogs and cats examined
at private veterinary practices in the United States
Elizabeth M. Lund, DVM, MPH, PhD; P. Jane Armstrong, DVM, MS; Claudia
A. Kirk, DVM, PhD; Linda M. Kolar, DVM, MPH; Jeffrey S. Klausner, DVM,
MS
JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN VETERINARY MEDICAL ASSOCIATION, Vol. 214, No.
9 Pages 1336.1341 1999

IBD affects 0.01% of cats.
FLUTD affects 4.6% of cats.
Diabetes affects 0.01% of cats.

From: afr


I never thought about the moist vs. dry food issue til my cat got blocked
a
month ago. As I think about it, the cats who I know who live long, healthy
lives are in semi-rural areas where neighbors are accustomed to cats
roaming in their yards...people aren't put off by it. I think being in a
safe, outdoor environment, free to exercise may be the critical variable.
I know cats who live long lives on a combination moist/dry diet...but
they get lots of fresh air and exercise. My sister's cat lived to be
18...he was an outdoor cat, and I think he ate dry his whole life.

I think the outdoor cat was more than likely supplementing his diet with birds
and mice.

Check out these articles for more information about dry food:

http://www.avma.org/convention/recap/news/tuesday16.asp

http://home.earthlink.net/~jacm2/id1.html

http://www.felinefuture.com/nutrition/bpo_ch4.php

Lauren
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

From: afr


I never thought about the moist vs. dry food issue til my cat got blocked
a
month ago. As I think about it, the cats who I know who live long, healthy
lives are in semi-rural areas where neighbors are accustomed to cats
roaming in their yards...people aren't put off by it. I think being in a
safe, outdoor environment, free to exercise may be the critical variable.
I know cats who live long lives on a combination moist/dry diet...but
they get lots of fresh air and exercise. My sister's cat lived to be
18...he was an outdoor cat, and I think he ate dry his whole life.

I think the outdoor cat was more than likely supplementing his diet with birds
and mice.

Check out these articles for more information about dry food:

http://www.avma.org/convention/recap/news/tuesday16.asp

http://home.earthlink.net/~jacm2/id1.html

http://www.felinefuture.com/nutrition/bpo_ch4.php

Lauren
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

(Steve Crane) wrote in
om:

JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN VETERINARY MEDICAL ASSOCIATION, Vol. 214, No.
9 Pages 1336.1341 1999

IBD affects 0.01% of cats.


This still doesn't take into account the cats (and dogs) that never had a
biopsy done, or were euthanized because the owner didn't want to deal with
it. This figure means nothing. I see proof of entirely too many cats with
IBD.

--
Cheryl

(Steve Crane) wrote in
om:

JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN VETERINARY MEDICAL ASSOCIATION, Vol. 214, No.
9 Pages 1336.1341 1999

IBD affects 0.01% of cats.


This still doesn't take into account the cats (and dogs) that never had a
biopsy done, or were euthanized because the owner didn't want to deal with
it. This figure means nothing. I see proof of entirely too many cats with
IBD.

--
Cheryl

From: Cheryl

(Steve Crane) wrote in
. com:

JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN VETERINARY MEDICAL ASSOCIATION, Vol. 214, No.
9 Pages 1336.1341 1999

IBD affects 0.01% of cats.


This still doesn't take into account the cats (and dogs) that never had a
biopsy done, or were euthanized because the owner didn't want to deal with
it. This figure means nothing. I see proof of entirely too many cats with
IBD.

--
Cheryl


I had a cat that most likely had IBD. The vet didn't do a biopsy because she
was old and sick, and we didn't want to put her through it. The vet felt it
better to just treat her as if she did have IBD. I would imagine this might
not be an uncommon thing. Also, as the percentage that Steve quoted, I wonder
how they gather these numbers. Like you say, probably a lot of cats don't get
the biopsy.

Lauren
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm