Best wet food for keeping cystitis away?

In article ,
(Karen M.) wrote:

Lauren wrote:

snip
It sure is like talking to a brick wall, isn't it? I have a very strong
suspicion that Chris aka is another Hill's rep posting
here.
Check this out:

[snip]

That's quite interesting Lauren! Makes one wonder, does it not??
Kiss your kitties for me!

K

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Subject: URGENT - food problem
Date: 20 May 2003 17:37:55 -0700
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Tara wrote in message
...
GAUBSTER2 wrote:
It wasn't a good analogy.

Sure it was. Using a position of authority and power to push a product
in order to make money IS an appropriate analogy. The intentions might
be good, but that is what it boils down to.


I suppose the responsible veternarian prescribes products based on their
efficacy. I realize you're just stating your personal opinion here, but I
don't think you're being realistic.

And how many vets have you worked for? Besides that one friend of yours,
that is.

Tara,
I don't know what kind of experience you've had working for vets,
maybe it's different in your part of the world. I've spent over 20
years in veterinary clinics all over the Northwest. Out of the 3,500
vets that practice in that part of the world there aren't but a
handful that would fall into the category you describe. And, I know
exactly which ones they are. A good example is one in a sizeable (for
north Idaho anyway) Northern Idaho city. This particular practice
sells whatever they can, to anyone they can, regardless of need. They
push heartworm tests in an area where there has never been a
non-transient case of heartworm in a dog yet. Efficacy of products is
not important to this clinic, although they sure make it sound that
way to clients.
I know these clinics exist, but they are by far and away the extreme
rarity in veterinary medicine. Over the 20 years I've been in and out
of clinics from Fairbanks to Cheyenne there aren't a dozen clinics
that would agree to sell a diet without proof in the way of clinical
studies to back it up. What food does this Northern Idaho clinic sell?
Not Hill's, because Hill's wouldn't agree to give the vet and the
staff free food for their pets.

In the interest of fairness:
From: (Steve Crane)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.health
Subject: URGENT - food problem
Date: 20 May 2003 17:37:55 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com/
Lines: 36

I wonder why the page I got didn't have Steve Crane listed at all. Anyway, I
did apologize in a previous post for the mistake. But it does seem Chris aka
Gaubster2 goes to the mat to defend Hill's and does make one wonder if he is
indeed affiliated with them. Nothing wrong with that. I just find it curious.

http://www.health-and-medical.com/ve...dicine/veterin
ary_medicine_msg57924/veterinary_medicine_msg57924.shtml
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

In the interest of fairness:
From: (Steve Crane)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.health
Subject: URGENT - food problem
Date: 20 May 2003 17:37:55 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com/
Lines: 36

I wonder why the page I got didn't have Steve Crane listed at all. Anyway, I
did apologize in a previous post for the mistake. But it does seem Chris aka
Gaubster2 goes to the mat to defend Hill's and does make one wonder if he is
indeed affiliated with them. Nothing wrong with that. I just find it curious.

http://www.health-and-medical.com/ve...dicine/veterin
ary_medicine_msg57924/veterinary_medicine_msg57924.shtml
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

In the interest of fairness:
From: (Steve Crane)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.health
Subject: URGENT - food problem
Date: 20 May 2003 17:37:55 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com/
Lines: 36

I wonder why the page I got didn't have Steve Crane listed at all. Anyway, I
did apologize in a previous post for the mistake. But it does seem Chris aka
Gaubster2 goes to the mat to defend Hill's and does make one wonder if he is
indeed affiliated with them. Nothing wrong with that. I just find it curious.

http://www.health-and-medical.com/ve...dicine/veterin
ary_medicine_msg57924/veterinary_medicine_msg57924.shtml
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

Alison Perera wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Karen M.) wrote:

Lauren wrote:

snip
It sure is like talking to a brick wall, isn't it? I have a very strong
suspicion that Chris aka is another Hill's rep posting
here.
Check this out:

[snip]

That's quite interesting Lauren! Makes one wonder, does it not??
Kiss your kitties for me!

K

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.health
Subject: URGENT - food problem
Date: 20 May 2003 17:37:55 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com/
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Tara wrote in message
...
GAUBSTER2 wrote:
It wasn't a good analogy.

Sure it was. Using a position of authority and power to push a product
in order to make money IS an appropriate analogy. The intentions might
be good, but that is what it boils down to.


I suppose the responsible veternarian prescribes products based on their
efficacy. I realize you're just stating your personal opinion here, but I
don't think you're being realistic.

And how many vets have you worked for? Besides that one friend of yours,
that is.

Tara,
I don't know what kind of experience you've had working for vets,
maybe it's different in your part of the world. I've spent over 20
years in veterinary clinics all over the Northwest. Out of the 3,500
vets that practice in that part of the world there aren't but a
handful that would fall into the category you describe. And, I know
exactly which ones they are. A good example is one in a sizeable (for
north Idaho anyway) Northern Idaho city. This particular practice
sells whatever they can, to anyone they can, regardless of need. They
push heartworm tests in an area where there has never been a
non-transient case of heartworm in a dog yet. Efficacy of products is
not important to this clinic, although they sure make it sound that
way to clients.
I know these clinics exist, but they are by far and away the extreme
rarity in veterinary medicine. Over the 20 years I've been in and out
of clinics from Fairbanks to Cheyenne there aren't a dozen clinics
that would agree to sell a diet without proof in the way of clinical
studies to back it up. What food does this Northern Idaho clinic sell?
Not Hill's, because Hill's wouldn't agree to give the vet and the
staff free food for their pets.


Alison,
Your post was kind of confusing, but in the following post G2 says he
worked for PetSmart for years, that's why he "knows" so much. I didn't
realize PetSmart *had* nutritional specialists...
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:...ng-cr1.aol.com

Alison Perera wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Karen M.) wrote:

Lauren wrote:

snip
It sure is like talking to a brick wall, isn't it? I have a very strong
suspicion that Chris aka is another Hill's rep posting
here.
Check this out:

[snip]

That's quite interesting Lauren! Makes one wonder, does it not??
Kiss your kitties for me!

K

In the interest of fairness:
From: (Steve Crane)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.health
Subject: URGENT - food problem
Date: 20 May 2003 17:37:55 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com/
Lines: 36
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Tara wrote in message
...
GAUBSTER2 wrote:
It wasn't a good analogy.

Sure it was. Using a position of authority and power to push a product
in order to make money IS an appropriate analogy. The intentions might
be good, but that is what it boils down to.


I suppose the responsible veternarian prescribes products based on their
efficacy. I realize you're just stating your personal opinion here, but I
don't think you're being realistic.

And how many vets have you worked for? Besides that one friend of yours,
that is.

Tara,
I don't know what kind of experience you've had working for vets,
maybe it's different in your part of the world. I've spent over 20
years in veterinary clinics all over the Northwest. Out of the 3,500
vets that practice in that part of the world there aren't but a
handful that would fall into the category you describe. And, I know
exactly which ones they are. A good example is one in a sizeable (for
north Idaho anyway) Northern Idaho city. This particular practice
sells whatever they can, to anyone they can, regardless of need. They
push heartworm tests in an area where there has never been a
non-transient case of heartworm in a dog yet. Efficacy of products is
not important to this clinic, although they sure make it sound that
way to clients.
I know these clinics exist, but they are by far and away the extreme
rarity in veterinary medicine. Over the 20 years I've been in and out
of clinics from Fairbanks to Cheyenne there aren't a dozen clinics
that would agree to sell a diet without proof in the way of clinical
studies to back it up. What food does this Northern Idaho clinic sell?
Not Hill's, because Hill's wouldn't agree to give the vet and the
staff free food for their pets.


Alison,
Your post was kind of confusing, but in the following post G2 says he
worked for PetSmart for years, that's why he "knows" so much. I didn't
realize PetSmart *had* nutritional specialists...
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:...ng-cr1.aol.com

Alison Perera wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Karen M.) wrote:

Lauren wrote:

snip
It sure is like talking to a brick wall, isn't it? I have a very strong
suspicion that Chris aka is another Hill's rep posting
here.
Check this out:

[snip]

That's quite interesting Lauren! Makes one wonder, does it not??
Kiss your kitties for me!

K

In the interest of fairness:
From: (Steve Crane)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.health
Subject: URGENT - food problem
Date: 20 May 2003 17:37:55 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com/
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Tara wrote in message
...
GAUBSTER2 wrote:
It wasn't a good analogy.

Sure it was. Using a position of authority and power to push a product
in order to make money IS an appropriate analogy. The intentions might
be good, but that is what it boils down to.


I suppose the responsible veternarian prescribes products based on their
efficacy. I realize you're just stating your personal opinion here, but I
don't think you're being realistic.

And how many vets have you worked for? Besides that one friend of yours,
that is.

Tara,
I don't know what kind of experience you've had working for vets,
maybe it's different in your part of the world. I've spent over 20
years in veterinary clinics all over the Northwest. Out of the 3,500
vets that practice in that part of the world there aren't but a
handful that would fall into the category you describe. And, I know
exactly which ones they are. A good example is one in a sizeable (for
north Idaho anyway) Northern Idaho city. This particular practice
sells whatever they can, to anyone they can, regardless of need. They
push heartworm tests in an area where there has never been a
non-transient case of heartworm in a dog yet. Efficacy of products is
not important to this clinic, although they sure make it sound that
way to clients.
I know these clinics exist, but they are by far and away the extreme
rarity in veterinary medicine. Over the 20 years I've been in and out
of clinics from Fairbanks to Cheyenne there aren't a dozen clinics
that would agree to sell a diet without proof in the way of clinical
studies to back it up. What food does this Northern Idaho clinic sell?
Not Hill's, because Hill's wouldn't agree to give the vet and the
staff free food for their pets.


Alison,
Your post was kind of confusing, but in the following post G2 says he
worked for PetSmart for years, that's why he "knows" so much. I didn't
realize PetSmart *had* nutritional specialists...
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:...ng-cr1.aol.com

In article ,
olitter (PawsForThought) wrote:

In the interest of fairness:
From: (Steve Crane)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.health
Subject: URGENT - food problem
Date: 20 May 2003 17:37:55 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com/
Lines: 36

I wonder why the page I got didn't have Steve Crane listed at all. Anyway, I
did apologize in a previous post for the mistake. But it does seem Chris aka
Gaubster2 goes to the mat to defend Hill's and does make one wonder if he is
indeed affiliated with them. Nothing wrong with that. I just find it curious.

http://www.health-and-medical.com/ve...dicine/veterin
ary_medicine_msg57924/veterinary_medicine_msg57924.shtml

I assume you "got" this page from a general Google search. Whoever those
people are, they simply harvest Usenet posts. If you'll look there's no
author attributed at all. Which is a dirty, rotten thing for that
website's administrator to do. Next time you want to look up somebody's
posting history I highly recommend
http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=en

-Alison in OH

In article ,
olitter (PawsForThought) wrote:

In the interest of fairness:
From: (Steve Crane)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.health
Subject: URGENT - food problem
Date: 20 May 2003 17:37:55 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com/
Lines: 36

I wonder why the page I got didn't have Steve Crane listed at all. Anyway, I
did apologize in a previous post for the mistake. But it does seem Chris aka
Gaubster2 goes to the mat to defend Hill's and does make one wonder if he is
indeed affiliated with them. Nothing wrong with that. I just find it curious.

http://www.health-and-medical.com/ve...dicine/veterin
ary_medicine_msg57924/veterinary_medicine_msg57924.shtml

I assume you "got" this page from a general Google search. Whoever those
people are, they simply harvest Usenet posts. If you'll look there's no
author attributed at all. Which is a dirty, rotten thing for that
website's administrator to do. Next time you want to look up somebody's
posting history I highly recommend
http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=en

-Alison in OH

In article ,
olitter (PawsForThought) wrote:

In the interest of fairness:
From: (Steve Crane)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.health
Subject: URGENT - food problem
Date: 20 May 2003 17:37:55 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com/
Lines: 36

I wonder why the page I got didn't have Steve Crane listed at all. Anyway, I
did apologize in a previous post for the mistake. But it does seem Chris aka
Gaubster2 goes to the mat to defend Hill's and does make one wonder if he is
indeed affiliated with them. Nothing wrong with that. I just find it curious.

http://www.health-and-medical.com/ve...dicine/veterin
ary_medicine_msg57924/veterinary_medicine_msg57924.shtml

I assume you "got" this page from a general Google search. Whoever those
people are, they simply harvest Usenet posts. If you'll look there's no
author attributed at all. Which is a dirty, rotten thing for that
website's administrator to do. Next time you want to look up somebody's
posting history I highly recommend
http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=en

-Alison in OH